You know what would be shocking?
John McCain helping some deal get passed in the middle of the day today. That would be shocking.
Yes, imagine how surprising it would be if John McCain got House Republicans to agree, in principle, to a deal at, oh, say, 3 PM EDT today. Wouldn’t that be unexpected?
Because then he could fly down to Mississippi, and the press coverage would be dominated by watching him arrive at the airport, which would be very dramatic and wholly unexpected. And then the narrative would be about watching his motorcade and “Will he make it to the debate on time, or will he actually just stride into the town hall meeting IN PROGRESS!? ” Just stride in there and crash Obama’s little party at the last minute, the Maverick, his important job done, now ready to return to the trivial business of campaigning that his shortsighted opponent seems so obsessed with… wow, that would be a fine howdya-do, wouldn’t it?
Yes it would. It would be very, very surprising, shocking, and theatrical. You can’t script stuff like that.
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[UPDATE: Only a few minutes after I posted this, John McCain announced that he’s a-comin! So the airport drama that would’ve surprised me so much might not happen (although I don’t know if he’s made it out of Washington yet). It is possible that his campaign is in even deeper disarray than I thought.]





40 comments
sharon
September 26, 2008 at 8:26 am
1“You can’t script stuff like that. ”
Yeah, you can, actually.
There are also scurrilous rumors to the effect that the Bush-Paulson Welfare for Wall Street Plan was written months ago–all three pages of it (that McCain hasn’t read). But who would be foolish enough, mean enough, and ruthless enough, to wait until now to tell us that the sky is falling?
Of course, if the Fed takes over and sells off yet another bank today, all bets could be off. I never thought I’d find myself on the side of House Republicans but d@mmit, let the market do its thing and if every investment firm on Wall Street collapses, we can start with a clean slate. When you ain’t got nothin’, you got nothin’ to lose. Or something like that. I don’t have much, but I’m willing to risk it all if the greedy and corrupt get spanked, too.
Chris Harlan
September 26, 2008 at 9:18 am
2I don’t know enough to know, but weirdly, I found myself impressed by NPR’s Newt Gingrich interview–did I really just type that?–and it left me wondering a lot about this whole thing. Paulson, currently on loan to the Bush Administration from Goldman Sachs (that would be two years in Government, and thirty-two years at Goldman Sachs) would be bailing out mostly Morgan Stanley and Golman Sachs. I cannot remember a larger conflict of interest in my entire life. If things are truly as serious as he claims, Paulson should resign or otherwise recuse himself and the planning of this should be in other hands.
Adam, I think your scenario is a dead-on depiction of a McCain campaign wet dream. I’m hoping, though, that when they wake up, they’ll be alone in bed.
How grotesquely cynical of them to turn this crisis into a series of photo ops, all the while claiming higher ground by putting politics behind them. I’m glad to see that–so far–all the snaps are of egg running down McCain’s face.
And now for something completely different. A charmingly british dissection of our little crisis:
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k5uAxezoHObKgBHSpY
dee
September 26, 2008 at 10:19 am
3You know what would really be shocking? If McCain could travel in time and the debate had already taken place and he won!
Rick Taylor
September 26, 2008 at 10:23 am
4I’m sure McCain’s campaign would love something like that; I just don’t see the House Republicans being organized enough to give it to him.
cooper
September 26, 2008 at 11:52 am
5…but I’m willing to risk it all if the greedy and corrupt get spanked, too.
sharon, that’s a mighty big and improbable “if”.
Noah Dziobecki
September 26, 2008 at 12:01 pm
6So…are there any proposals for the Debate Drinking Game rules…my friends?
David
September 26, 2008 at 12:30 pm
7Pay attention to Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and Kent Conrad. Their track record is legit, they know what they are talking about, and they have as good a grasp on this as anyone. There has to be a rescue. It is the nature, the terms, and the objectives of the rescue that matter. And if you found yourself impressed by anything Newt Gingrich says, your memory is failing you. I feel confident the Republican machine is hell bent to misrepresent/misstate this debacle, which is quite real, but which they intend to exploit along the lines Naomi Klein lays out in Shock Doctrine, just as 9/11 was quite real but which was exploited in the most reprehensible manner possible.
But don’t kid yourselves that there is any such thing as letting the economic system fail, with something better arising from the purification of the conflagration. FDR rescued us - he did not let us fall completely apart. He also made it a point to surround himself with people both capable of and inclined to look honestly and insightfully at the disaster and figure out how best to find our way out of it as a civil body politic with a genuinely common weal.
Most important is that FDR did not let the people who brought about the collapse dictate the terms of our resurrection. He was a “traitor to his class,” as they loved to say, and the object of their unrelenting Republican plutocrat hatred for the past 8 decades.
That’s how I see it, anyway.
Chris Harlan
September 26, 2008 at 1:17 pm
8David, I pretty much concur. The thing that I agreed with Gigrich on was Paulson’s very serious conflict of interest. And my memory of Gingrich isn’t failing either; I always have, and still do, agree with Gary Trudeau’s visual metaphor. Still, I think the NPR interview was inciteful.
ton impended
It's Pat!
September 26, 2008 at 1:46 pm
9Noah -
When the Cheshire cat grins, take a drink. You’ll need it because his eyes turn coal black. Very Scary.
Then have another, because you will start to remember Palin’s interview with Couric. Jumpin’ Jehovah (favorite term from my childhood), she’s scary.
Noah Dziobecki
September 26, 2008 at 3:20 pm
10Ah, here we are.
Zee Man
September 27, 2008 at 5:04 am
11The thing that impresses me most about Newt Gingrich is that he’s walking around a free man instead of getting “Nancied-up” in the Big House by 5 of 6 of his closest cell mates in the privacy of the laundry room after hours. Ditto Ralph Reed. Why does NPR give either these monkeys a platform from which to fling their poo at America again?
David
September 27, 2008 at 6:00 am
12Point well taken, Chris. The conflict of interest issue must be taken into account. Major problem with Gingrich is his motives for going after Paulson, which I suspect have to do with Paulson drifting off of Gingrich’s anti-government reservation. Paulson is intelligent enough to know what is really wrong, and to realize that he must compromise on this bailout. Gingrich is twisted by his anti-government, pro-privatization ideology, and is likely wanting to knife Bush in the back for any compromises with Democrats that in any way echo FDR and the New Deal. I really think he is that demented. He is certainly either an intellectual failure or a pro-private-sector-as-religion televangelist, or both. I categorize him with people by Bill Kristol.
Chris Harlan
September 27, 2008 at 9:35 am
13I’ve been listening to the Planet Money podcasts on NPR and am understanding the liquidity crisis better. I got a much clearer picture of how, on a mass scale, mid-sized businesses were/are choking up and having seizures over lack of flow. By mid-sized, I mean 500 to 5000 employees. I had no idea that the weekly floating and repaying of loans had become such a regular activity for meeting payroll. I guess I should have know that, but my work is quite removed from those particular operations. It is all very fascinating, really. Interesting times bring such interesting educational opportunities. Hopefully, though, some of what I’m learning now will be based exclusively on speculation (no pun intended) and not on first hand experience.
And bye-bye, Paul Newman. He never had a failure to communicate, never worried about not knowing how to swim, and knew exactly what to do with parking meters.
dee
September 27, 2008 at 11:53 am
14A few pictures from the Greensboro Obama-Biden rally up on my blog. It rained on the way there and on the way back, but nary a drop during the event itself.
God loves Democrats.
Steve
September 27, 2008 at 12:59 pm
15I notice that a comment of mine, posted earlier this morning, in response to a jeering reference to prison rape (#11, Zee Man), was taken down.
Interesting. The comment was not vulgar or demeaning to anyone and did not, in my opinion, violate the comments policy.
That’s obviously within the rights of the blog owner, Mr Felber.
Fanny at it again, I suppose.
Murray
September 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm
16If I were standing in Galveston next to W when Ike came through, and he said “It’s raining,” my brain would freeze up. This is an immovable object against an irresistible force. Something undeniable said by someone unable to tell the truth truly is a real mind blower. That is how I feel about the current crisis. Bush is right, there is a monetary crisis, it’s just that he is the last person we should believe. Of course it is mostly his fault in the first place, but still real. We are close to everything collapsing and, of all things, it is W who is the messenger of truth. It’s not that we should bail out Wall St. but if no credit is available, everything shuts down. Everyone is screwed.
And I thought that we entered Bizzaro world 8 years ago.
Boomer
September 28, 2008 at 7:05 am
17Murray, you’re right - we did enter Bizzaro world 8 years ago. So, now that we’ve been inside the Bush bubble for all this time, what sort of thing really seems weird anymore?
(By the way, you may want to take a moment sometime to explain to the younger readers here what “a real mind blower” means. You seem like a good man. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to scar a new generation by leaving it to their mental imagery to parse out the meaning of that phrase.)
jerry
September 28, 2008 at 6:47 pm
18Finally! - a clear explanation on the bailout of Wall Street and why it’s so necessary.
http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_bailout_1_9145.php
hedera
September 28, 2008 at 7:26 pm
19Um, that link leads to a blank white screen with no sound. It doesn’t play in either browser. This is more or less the explanation we’re getting, but I expected better from GYWO…
President McCain
September 28, 2008 at 8:33 pm
20I don’t think McCain needs to worry about staging any drama. The dems are doing the job very well for him, starting from when Clinton repealed the Glass-Stiegel act, middling out with Freddie and Fannie, and now the comedic end begins with democratic ass-covering starting this next week.
Here’s the story, and characters, so far:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH–o
It’s not even a competition anymore. Now we can just watch for the lolz. I can’t WAIT for the next debate!!
Barry’s stuttering, followed by pointing at his detractor and saying “look,” always cracks me up!
It’s like when Homer Simpson says “D’oh!” or Don Knott’s trying to find the bullet to his gun.
Comedy gold!
President McCain
September 28, 2008 at 8:45 pm
21whoops! link went bad.
here you go, kids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY
SeattleDan
September 28, 2008 at 9:46 pm
22Ya sure you betcha, President McCain….all those banks forced to give bad loans. Ya sure, you betcha…I’ll get back to you on that.
David
September 28, 2008 at 9:47 pm
23Chris,
Like you I am getting a crash course in what this is really all about. I have to agree with Obama when he said that if this were just about Wall Street, he’d let them go down, but it’s not just about Wall Street, it really is about Main Street. Hoping the Dems hold firm on the provisions that make the taxpayers, not the sobs who brought this down on us, the beneficiaries of whatever economic positives develop from this rescue.
PM,
Most of the specific causes of this meltdown rest squarely on the shoulders of Phil Gramm and Team Bush. And while Clinton made some mistakes, were he president he would have corrected them in a timely manner. Why do you think the economy did so much better under him, but has been a disaster under Team Bush and the Republican economic ideology that gave us the other Great Depression?
SEAGOLFER
September 29, 2008 at 7:55 am
24What is really sad about this “bailout” is it won’t fix anything, just slow down the fall. We still don’t have enough qualified people to buy all these homes cheap money built.
Scary stat of the week. In 1979 our national debt was 1.5 trillion in todays dollars. 20 out of 28 years of Republican control of the President’s Office and we are at 11.5 trillion. We are adding 1.5 trillion this year alone.
Thank goodness this is the fiscally conservative party otherwise we would be a wash in red ink. (sigh)
Chris Harlan
September 29, 2008 at 10:36 am
25Close your eyes and cross your fingers, y’all. The falls are high, and there are many rocks, but maybe they’ll be some deep pools, too. Don’t worry about being able to swim. As a character of Paul Newman’s once said, “Hell, the fall will probably kill ya.”
Chris Harlan
September 29, 2008 at 11:50 am
26Oh my, McCain twit: Yes, Clinton did not veto the Republican sponsored bill–The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act–that effectively brought an end to the Glass-Steagall Act (if you are going to be President, you need to work on your spelling) but he also did not repeal it. If you think the President has or should have the power to repeal legislation, then wow–go find yourself a fascist state to rule. You’re right about Glass-Steagall being a bad call, but you need to talk to Phil Gramm or James Leach about that. Hey, don’t you know Phil Gramm?
President McCain
September 29, 2008 at 12:20 pm
27Sorry Chris. I can’t say anything because I could be arrested and prosecuted.
Seriously, look into your heart, and then come back and tell us what you think of this. Is this the “change” you’re looking for? Seems like something Bush would try on a bad day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIenDGSAdPA
Are you behind this action of the Obama campaign?
If I put a poster up in front of my house stating “What if Obama is a Muslim,” should I have to worry about a knock on my door from the county sheriff?
Really?
Let’s hear your thought’s, Obamamen and women.
President McCain
September 29, 2008 at 2:30 pm
28David, why do I think the economy did so well under Clinton?
Well, he made dramatic reductions in our military, including our CIA services. That’s saves a lot.
Then the market bets on Fannie and Freddie Mac, which he was a huge part of, certainly had speculative and borrowed money flowing.
You see, David, when you take a loan out on anything, you may have a lot of money in the bank because of that loan, but eventually, that loan will have to be paid back.
So when you see, say, 10K in your bank account thanks to a loan from Citibank, let’s say, that money is yours, but not yours, even though your account is posting it a liquid asset. An economy based on a white-hot speculative market kind of works that way.
Did you know that even when a president leaves office, speculative loans stay on the books for the next president to work out?
That sure helped Clinton when the first Bush raised taxes just before he left. But Clinton’s malfeasance sure didn’t help the second Bush when he had/has to deal with payment due that exceeds accounts received.
I hope I helped you to understand how to balance a checkbook.
Don’t forget to read this gushing LA Times article, giving out all the credit, where credit is so very due. Andrew Cuomo deserves extra credit:
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807
You may also want to google up “ACORN.” That’s Obama’s money tree, and they have been quite the busy little bees! The democrats love them so, that they’re currently insisting that ACORN gets a portion of the money on our current bailout bill. It seems Republicans don’t like that, and seems to be a big reason we’ll have to wait till Thursday till the next vote.
Enjoy staring at your 401K this week, if you have one.
Dave von Ebers
September 29, 2008 at 2:36 pm
29Wow, Adam. Quite an honor to have a real live troll. I’m jealous.
piglet
September 29, 2008 at 3:48 pm
30Hats off to the neo-cons’ creativity in finding a way to blame minorities for the current Wall Street crisis. Not the loan brokers selling “liar’s loans” and no-proof-of-income loans with enormous interest bumps after a short introductory period (which were only thought up in the last few years of the bubble). No, blame the minorities who got loans ten to fifteen years ago who were fine up ’til now.
Unfortunately, they might now lose their jobs and homes because of the money-for-nothing orgy on Wall Street. Now, we finally get to see some trickle-down, only it’s going to be the shite that’s gonna be trickling down.
I know I won’t be getting through to anyone who could believe the neo-con story, but it makes me feel a little better to spew.
Chris Harlan
September 29, 2008 at 10:26 pm
31Hey fake McCain, did you even bother to follow up the story you asked me to look at with the station that originally filed it. If you bother to, it might teach you something about yourself, and the people you work for. The tone that you guys are taking–I’m guessing you’re a pro–is to act like thugs and then cry about how the people you are attacking are thugs.
Zee Man
September 30, 2008 at 6:02 am
32Dave/piglet/Chris - ….or you could just ignore the troll. Don’t rise to his bait. You won’t change his mind; he is just trying to get you down in his mud hole, wrestling over arcane arguments. Pretend he’s not even there.
Dave von Ebers
September 30, 2008 at 10:53 am
33Zee Man … Pretend who’s not even there?
See — it works!
President McCain
September 30, 2008 at 12:40 pm
34Chris, I think it’s much more fun “learning” from the people people you work for.
Bringing children into this is the ultimate in vile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA
Shouldn’t the little tykes be wearing little Mao hats?
Shot by Jeff Zucker with a steadi-cam no less! If McCain pulled that, you’d be going crazy.
Piglet, I suggest you check out ACORN, and see what your shock troops have been up to the last few years.
To be fair, both parties were responsible for this mess, Bush for trying to conspire with Carl Rove to establish a republican voting block of hispanic “home=owners” but remember Obama took it to court to intimidate banks, as a “community organizer.”
Yes, we can can can…
Chris Harlan
September 30, 2008 at 3:32 pm
35Thanks, PM. What a cute video. A little saccharine, but I enjoyed it.
Really? Is that how you define ‘vile?’ I’m guessing strawberries and kittens are pretty low on your list, as well.
Frankly, I’m still laughing. Is that really what you are using to scare folks with these days?
I certainly see how it might scare your faithful, but it delighted me. I’d also be delighted to see some young McCain supporters doing the same thing, though these days you would probably have trouble finding enough of them.
Oh my. I’m beginning to think you are a fake shill, and that you’re actually promoting BHO. Maybe you are Samuel at a new level. Please continue posting, as I’m beginning to enjoy your flights of fancy. And keep up the good work. Indeed, Yes You Can.
Chris Harlan
September 30, 2008 at 3:33 pm
36PS: As to ACORN; truly, you’re a nut.
Persistent McCain
September 30, 2008 at 3:54 pm
37Wax off.
You caught me, Chris. It’s amazing the swill that gets spilled in the name of McCain, ain’t it? The ACORN earmark thing isn’t even mentioned in the bill–nowhere, nada; the meager low income housing provision goes to states and municipalities–and they’ve got people all riled up over it as if all 700 B is going straight into the pocket of some corner thug.
Anyway, I’m glad you’re enjoying the show, so…
Wax on.
Samuel
September 30, 2008 at 6:36 pm
38All the policy wonks in HQ are getting a little punch drunk from trying cram some knowledge - any knowledge - into Sarah Palin’s head in preparation for the VP Debate in 2 days. She doesn’t seem to be retaining very much, but she remains perky, none the less. The consensus from all who have spent time with her is that within six weeks, she’ll be back in Wasilla, hunting moose, and preparing for the next baby that God wants her to have - back, at last, in her element.
All talk of a mole in the Palin/McCain 2008 Campaign has died off, which has steamed Marlene no end. She’s had quite enough of this stodgy, inbred town and is ready to move on. She’s been reading travel brochures for Steamboat Springs and Baja California, looking forward to spending the winter skiing and surfing. We have been able to amass a small fortune during our time in DC (thanks, Mr. McCain!) and she was really hoping for some playtime this winter. She had already chosen her next identity - Felicity - and her new cover - a graphic arts teacher in a progressive middle school in rural Iowa. There will be time enough for that after the election, but meanwhile, there are still a few low hanging monetary fruits to be harvested.
I’ve made myself an unofficial comptroller of the various slush funds that the Republicans have salted away (and, believe me, the numbers are legion!). I’ve specialized in vote rigging and minority voter suppression at the polling places. These Republicans spend tons of money in these two areas alone and I’ve been able to install a few new guidelines that make tracing the cash nearly impossible, from either end. The more paranoid of the contributors to these funds greatly fear the government’s ability to follow the bread crumbs back to them, so they were more than willing to adopt my accounting slights of hand. I tell you, this scam will be the best one yet. It’ll make the looting of Tom DeLay’s “retirement fund”, look like a small town carny shell game.
Roger
September 30, 2008 at 6:56 pm
39I’ve been thinking that if Bush really wants to help repair the financial mess we find ourselves in, he would fly down to Crawford and cut brush for the next five weeks.
LM
October 1, 2008 at 8:28 am
40It can’t happen before sun down today due to the end of the Jewish holiday. I’m not sure however how anyone in the house that is Jewish will have had time to read the updated proposal before being told to vote on it. Should be interesting.