Okay, I’m not going to add the visual. OR the link. But by now you’ve probably seen that New Yorker cover of the Obamas celebrating their victory in typical Muslim extremist fashion…..
For once, the giant collective WTF!? that’s circulating around the web today isn’t overstated. And I love The New Yorker, even if that cartoon captioning contest really belongs in Highlights right next to “The Timbertoes,” and even if all the advertisements seem to be pitched to that bemonocled Monopoly guy and his family.
But this kind of takes ivory tower cluelessness to a fresh new level. Vaguely amusing to those who get it and agree that the far right’s portrayal of Obama is ridiculous? Yeah, maybe. Sort of. A little. Though it’s a bit too on the nose to be truly clever - it’s sort of like the starting point for an SNL sketch, a decent premise that would have a chance of being truly funny if someone wrote and developed it in the right direction. [Or the wrong direction. After all, sooner or later someone’s gonna say, “I dunno, maybe a catchphrase? Something like ‘Inshalla-la, baby!’ might work…”] There are other weird and racist ideas about Obama out there, and I’m sure that all of those would make conceptually amusing covers as well. And once put on paper, unadorned with any additional thought or original angle, they’d be horrifying. Like this one. So that’s indictment #1: Insufficient satire.
But what bumps me more is the thinking behind printing this, for which the term “idiocy” would be too generous. Is there a word that covers willful bludgeonheadness, the capacity to know why a decision is bad yet to be able to groupthink your way out of it? That will be MY caption contest: Suggest the word or term below.
The big failure here is the failure to realize that plenty of people are just beginning to pay attention to the election and that Obama fella - and for them this cover will be among their first impressions. And so the arch irony of providing the wingnuts with an image that they themselves were panting for but would be pilloried for producing… doesn’t resonate. It has nothing to resonate against for those people, and so it just hangs there - a thin, piercing, ugly tone. THAT didn’t seem to have occurred to the editors when they said, “Well, anyone who doesn’t realize Obama’s not a Muslim is a dumbass and won’t vote for him anyway! Let’s hit “print” already - that Pinkberry stuff isn’t gonna eat itself.”
And it’s not. But the Democrats, it seems, might.





107 comments
YLlama
July 14, 2008 at 9:32 pm
1Oh, lighten up Adam. No one read the New Yorker.
Linkmeister
July 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm
2Perhaps if the satire were made a little clearer. . .
(Photoshopped addition to the cover)
Chris Harlan
July 14, 2008 at 11:24 pm
3Ironically, I think the New Yorker has created the iron-on image for 2008’s most popular cracker head tee shirt. I can also imagine it taped to the back windows of Texas plated F-350’s, right under the line drawing of Calvin peeing.
There is a wee bit more to satire than creating a good likeness of its target.
Chris Harlan
July 14, 2008 at 11:27 pm
4PS Whoever did the cover needs to spend a little more time reading Mad Magazine. Then, maybe, they could pull it off.
Boomer
July 15, 2008 at 2:51 am
5I have to agree with YLlama, as long as it doesn’t get reprinted in Cosmo, Sports Illustrated, Quail Hunter Quarterly or Four Wheeler magazines, no one who trends toward that sort of belief system will ever have an opportunity to see the cover.
Sharon Hussein
July 15, 2008 at 4:26 am
6I don’t think that we’re going to see it reprinted with the caption “See, even the New Yorker admits he’s a secret Muslim.” Well, except maybe in the comments section of my hometown newspaper. I think most wingers have enough self-awareness to know they’re being ridiculed. And that will just make them angrier than they already are, that a black family may soon be the First Family.
Sharon Hussein
July 15, 2008 at 4:49 am
7p.s. There are people in my town who really truly believe that BHO is a secret Muslim with some kind of Manchurian Candidate type of plan to destroy the USA from within. I don’t know what they think they know about the New Yorker, but this cover feeds right into their worst fears.
becca (and brian)
July 15, 2008 at 5:14 am
8A couple of months ago my mom was visiting an old Wellesley College roommate after many years and she was stunned when her friend started going on about Obama being a Muslim with plans to subvert the US. It’s definitely out there. And not just in the places you might expect.
Steve
July 15, 2008 at 5:39 am
9May I refer you to this posting by well known liberal cartoonist and blogger Dan Perkins (aka Tom Tomorrow) for his cover of the cover?
Steve
July 15, 2008 at 5:40 am
10By the way, since FanAp’s comments software only seems to allow one hyperlink per posting, let me append Perkins’s own riff on the Obama theme here.
Jim (OJNTNJ)
July 15, 2008 at 6:30 am
11Is there a word that covers willful bludgeonheadness, the capacity to know why a decision is bad yet to be able to groupthink your way out of it?
Since this also covers the conditions that led to the Iraq quagmire, how about Neoconsensus?
SharonHussein
July 15, 2008 at 6:38 am
12I await with bated breath Barry Blitt’s shocking cover on John Sidney McCain III.
Anonymous Mother of All Felbers
July 15, 2008 at 7:12 am
13Too, too true.
And interesting that though I subscribe to the New Yorker, I didn’t get this one in the mail. So somebody with less morals than brains en route to Casa Felber stole it.
I’m not going to ask either the P.O. or the N.Y. to replace it.
I think that was a “so long as you spell out name right” cover.
But I definitely think it did damage.
just plain Hussein
July 15, 2008 at 7:33 am
14Sharon and becca, I had the occasion to speak with a black worker for the sanitation department - actually he was chewing me out for not properly packaging my weekly garbage offering - and as the volume of the conversation went down, we had a moment to discuss politics and he said he would vote for Obama, but Barrack is a Muslim and this guy just couldn’t get past that. I did mention that no, actually Obama is a Christian, but I didn’t get the impression that he was convinced.
Dale
July 15, 2008 at 7:49 am
15This is all my fault, I am afraid. I am a religious New Yorker reader (extremist and fundamentalist), but while I was in Spain I had to put my subscription on hold. I imagine they interpreted my semi-cancellation as a sign that the liberal left was abandoning them, and felt the need to expand their market share. Anyway, I´m back in the US so things should soon be back in order. I´ll give them a good talking to via my weekly subscription card.
Oh, and I have 4 pairs of Spanish leather boots full of sherry here–what do I do with them again? (And really Dan and David, you must have TINY feet–or did you mean size 12 in American sizes? Oops.)
Steve
July 15, 2008 at 8:26 am
16just plain Hussein:
Christian, Moslem — who cares? Either way they’re both a bunch of superstitious ninnies trying to propitiate a non-existent Sky Guy.
“No, no, Obama doesn’t believe in a Sixth Century guy who started receiving messages from God in his head, he believes in a rabble rousing rabbi who thought he was God and got executed by the Romans for his pains.” Yep, there’s a convincing argument for you.
In a sane society, the fact that Barack Obama “believes” in any such nonsense would be grounds for commitment and not qualification to be the leader of a nation.
Chris Harlan
July 15, 2008 at 8:28 am
17Dale!
just plain Hussein
July 15, 2008 at 9:56 am
18Steve, I feel your pain and I’m in your corner re: religion, any religion. However it was important to the municipal worker, so I merely pointed out the facts to him. I feel that people who worship the Sun are closer to the truth than Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Zoroaster-Hindi-Bahai-Buddhist adherents. Not much closer, but a little bit closer.
Vinnie
July 15, 2008 at 10:13 am
19Yo, Dale! I ain’t in Spain no more neit’er. I’m down under wit’ da Pope and, man, is it cold! Anyways, dere’s so many guys dat look like da Pope, I feel like I’m livin’ in a shell game. It’s hard for me ta tell which is da real deal.
I’ll see ya da next time I’m in Brooklyn. I owe ya dinner. Frankie’s Hot Dog cart OK? You’re quite a dame, ya know?
Confused
July 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm
20I thought the satire was spot on: Obama’s political image is confusing, because Obama is confused. Read his “back to black” biography, as I call it. I don’t know who he is because he admittedly doesn’t know. He wrote a complete book about it, people! Read it, get confused, and check out the New Yorker cover again. Brilliant satire, worth the wait. Hope there’s more where that came from.
Evan
July 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm
21Well, I thought it was funny. I like the gentle body language and sweet facial expressions–Michelle, there, with her head bowed and her legs demurely crossed in their Army fatigues and combat boots–and the way the whole thing is centered around that tiny, cute little fist-bump.
It’s pretty clearly-to-me a reference to that Fox reporter who saw the Obamas give each other a loving little dap, and lost her shit and asked on the air if it was some kind of a “terrorist fist-jab”. It makes me laugh, and it makes me laugh even more when right-wingers reveal themselves as morons by acting as if it’s a serious depiction instead of patently self-contradictory absurdism. Settle the heck down, people.
Chris Harlan
July 15, 2008 at 3:03 pm
22Neoconsensus! AcJim, it is fab! Evan, I guess I just like my satire broader then you, though I agree that the fist tap was the funniest part. I still think Mad Magazine would have done a much better job. I think the setup for the joke is there, but it just doesn’t pay off, at least for a big slice of the audience, and comedy is 93.2% about knowing your audience.
Confused: I don’t know if you’re a troll, but reading your comment says to me that you didn’t get the joke.
Dale
July 15, 2008 at 3:17 pm
23Chris!
piglet
July 15, 2008 at 4:38 pm
24I love trying out new terms! How about “flexible ethics”? “Squishy righteousness”? If I were an ethically flexible motivational speaker, I would trademark the term “situational principles”.
George
July 15, 2008 at 5:27 pm
25Dale! Thanks for the Faith Salie tip. I saw your comment and podcasted her since my NPR doesn’t (didn’t) carry Fair Game. I hope she gets things straightened out and resumes her show.
gillian
July 15, 2008 at 5:31 pm
26I’d like to give you an update on the Adventures of Jimmy and Molly, but they haven’t come up for air since midday Saturday and that was just for a beer run. Molly left a couple of voice mails, but mostly they are giggling male and female voices in the background. What have I created?
In the meantime, this Toles’ for you. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_ main.html?name=Toles&date=07152008&type=c
David
July 15, 2008 at 5:46 pm
27I just single-handedly erased my own comment. That takes special skill, and Bush-like incompetence.
Dale,
Tiny Spanish boots filled with genuine Jerez sherry? That is some good shit. I trust you imbibed until…
Jim (OJNTNJ)
July 15, 2008 at 6:03 pm
28Chris!
Thanks for the kudos. Emphasis on the CON of course.
Piglet, if Faux news was able to get a trademark registration for “Fair and Balanced” I don’t see why an ethically flexible motivational speaker shouldn’t get a registration for “situational principles.”
After all, “fair is as fair does” to paraphrase Forrest Gump.
siobhan
July 15, 2008 at 8:56 pm
29A few thoughts…
Obama’s response on Larry King tonight was just right. Among other things, he said that if you’re in politics you have to have a thick skin. This is a great contrast with the thin-skinned dipshit currently occupying the Oval Office.
As a result of this, he has been invited on various national media venues to discuss the cover and what it means. He has made the most of this opportunity to dispel rumors, and he has also made the point (on King’s show) that calling someone a Muslim shouldn’t be construed as a smear. I gave him a contribution for that one.
In my other home at Daily Kos, I commented that this was a poor editorial decision vs. their overall editorial direction. It was interesting to me that, in a poll I included in a diary I wrote there, weekly readers of the magazine were the least likely to be disturbed by the cover; the most likely to “hate” it were those who never read the magazine. Make of that what you will.
siobhan
July 15, 2008 at 8:58 pm
30D’oh… here’s the diary and the poll.
Silas
July 15, 2008 at 10:29 pm
31Human nature sucks. Study after study shows that people latch onto an initial opinion and rarely let it go, no matter how much counter-evidence is presented. They just ignore it.
And so the millions of fucking insane idiots who think Obama is a Muslim will have this image lodged in their mind, smothering any last hope of rationality which could have possibly survived.
I don’t mean to sound like a downer, but really–WTF is wrong with people?
cooper
July 16, 2008 at 5:58 am
32Hey, George! Don’t be such a stranger.
becca, my own dear sweet grandmother went to Wellesley - class of ‘14, I think. I have no idea what she would have made of Obama. She did take a lot of stock in the “aura” around people. She once paid someone to draw a picture of the aura around my cousin and she was always raving about how kind it showed him to be. I try not to hate him. (Actually, he is an unusually thoughtful person and if he weren’t such a software engineer, he would probably be fun to hang with.)
Chris Harlan
July 16, 2008 at 6:44 am
33What a shamelessly ridiculous man we have as the President of the United States! “I wish I had a magic wand…” OMG, it was like he was saying, “who do you think I am? The President or something?”
Chris Harlan
July 16, 2008 at 6:53 am
34PS Perhaps “shamelessly ridiculous man” is a little strong. It should probably read “shamelessly ridiculous exhaustively-overaged tween.”
“I won’t grow up…
Don’t want to go to school.”
Right amigo? So long from the World’s biggest polluter.
SharonHussein
July 16, 2008 at 7:56 am
35Matt Davies sums up the latest trick from the Teenager In Chief:
http://davies.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/15/you-know-the-drill/
Steve
July 16, 2008 at 8:14 am
36One more followup by Tom Tomorrow on l’affaire New Yorker: here.
Get it now?
Chris Harlan
July 16, 2008 at 12:48 pm
37Yeah. I got it then, too. But then, the few times I’ve read TT, I haven’t found him particularly funny. Though I’m always amused by the penguin with the Jordy glasses, and expect to be laughing by the end, I am generally disappointed. To each his own. For me: Gary Trudeau, Aaron McGruder, and Berkeley Breathed–those guys know how to do political satire. TT–his penguin’s funny (though Opus was funnier).
Chris Harlan
July 16, 2008 at 1:15 pm
38Of course after all the above blather, I come across a TT comic on Salon about Obama Phenomena and laugh my butt off. Now, that’s irony.
Steve
July 16, 2008 at 3:46 pm
39Chris Harlan
I linked to it up there at comment number 10.
I’ve been a fan of Perkins/Tom Tomorrow for some time and while his stuff is rarely “laugh out loud” funny (I don’t think it’s supposed to be), he’s interesting enough for me to own several of his collections.
I found McGruder to be a bit heavy handed, even when I agreed with his point of view.
Breathed. . . I was never a big fan, though, again, I have several of his Bloom County collections. Actually, if you read them straight through, you realized that he was sort of making it up as he went along and there was never a cohesive narrative. Characters appeared out of nowhere and disappeared again. Some, like Rosebud, the “Bassalope”, seemed designed with marketing of plush toys in mind. Bloom County seemed like Seinfeld. . . it wasn’t about anything.
The all-time best strip, which still holds up more than a decade after “retirement” was Calvin and Hobbes. Bill Watterson combined wackiness, gross juvenile humor (”Don’t you hate it when your boogers freeze?” and a “Thermos full of phlegm” come to mind), biting social commentary, allegory, fantasy, and the best comic illustration perhaps ever (DAMN the guy could draw!).
Brian (not Becca's Brian)
July 16, 2008 at 5:50 pm
40I dunno…. from a Bloom County collection I’ve since lost somehow:
“Feminine protection? What’s that… a chartreuse flamethrower?”
And the scratch and sniff pages….wow.
hedera
July 16, 2008 at 7:25 pm
41Thank you, Adam - I was thinking there must be something wrong with me. Here I was, looking at the New Yorker cover and being absolutely horrified; and yet people I respect, like Tom Meyers (the S.F. Chronicle’s brilliant editorial cartoonist) were saying, “But it’s just satire! Lighten up!” But it wasn’t just satire; except that every time I tried to explain why it wasn’t, it sounded like I was making whiney excuses. (Damn Phil Gramm anyhow.)
Let me give an example from history. Most people have heard of Jonathon Swift’s Modest Proposal, in which he suggested that the starving peasantry of Ireland could improve their lot by raising babies for the table. I’ve read it; it’s probably more deadpan than the New Yorker cover. And even then, only a few people took it seriously, even though many upper-class English really did regard the Irish as subhuman.
As you and several others have rightly said, the trouble with this damn thing is that far too many people already believe it, and seeing it in print in the magazine just makes them even more convinced. I heard an interview with a member of “Latinas for McCain” the other day where the woman said that she could never vote for a man who turns his back on his religion when it’s convenient, and what she meant was that (in her belief) Obama had turned his back on Islam when it became politically inconvenient, just the way he later left the Chicago church… which was so far away from reality it made my head spin!
How many times do we have to repeat that Obama is not now and never has been a member of - sorry, wrong era. But I guess for some things, only the name changes; the attitude stays the same.
SallyHMutant
July 16, 2008 at 9:26 pm
42First, yes, to Adam and Cooper and everyone whose first peek at this New Yorker evoked a WTF! Wish I knew how to set WFT in 72 pt. type in these comments.
Yes, to Adam’s post. Wheels within wheels within wheels probably works for the average New Yorker reader. After all, they trumpeted in their first issue that they are not for the “Little old lady in Dubuque.” (So the cover’s a great way to continue a tradition of elitism and for us to to explore the rationale behind th’ thinkin’ in Adam’s previous post [a greatist hit, imho] on talkin’ good, which is all about examining Obamas’ elitist image.)
Let me be elitist enough to say that now that this cover is all over the media, it’s in the hands of 21st century “old ladies from Dubuque”– those nice but credulous folk at work who forward you the email about Pepsi removing “Under God… ” from the pledge. People who have no idea of the editorial point of view of The New Yorker, who responded in my local (FW/D) media: “If that New Yorker had done a cover making fun of McCain there wouldn’t be all this liberal whining.” Who will now be forwarding this drawing at face value until November.
(Sorry to dredge this up, everyone in Dubuque. I love medium sized cities.)
Welcome back, Dale. Super chilled dry until the hot weather breaks, please. Glad the boys are enjoying the boots.
Chris Harlan
July 16, 2008 at 9:44 pm
43Okay. Now, wait. A Modest Proposal was satire? I don’t think so! I mean, I’ve heard Dick Cheney sites it like 25 times in the preface to his upcoming philanthropic tome, To Serve Man. Of course I haven’t read it because it was written with some wierd ancient Wyoming alphabet.
Jelly Jam
July 16, 2008 at 10:10 pm
44Silas:
“Human nature sucks. Study after study shows that people latch onto an initial opinion and rarely let it go, no matter how much counter-evidence is presented. They just ignore it.”
As one of the few who can see the irony in this remark, you might want to consider the idea that Obama is a carefully constructed media presentation. Then you might be able to understand why Adam’s essay was ridiculously subjective, while it seemed he was attempting to be objective.
It doesn’t “resonate” with him because he thinks Obama is more than a politician. Those who believe Obama is nothing more than a politician find the picture amusing, and right on the money.
The final lesson is, just because it doesn’t resonate with people who are passionate Obama supporters, doesn’t mean it doesn’t resonate with people who aren’t.
That’s an important distinction to maintain, even for a web political pundit.
J. Swift
July 17, 2008 at 3:16 am
45hedera, thanks for plugging my book, Modest Proposal! It’s been tough in the current economic cycle to get any manner of attention. Hell, I couldn’t even get on air with Here and Now and that very annoying host, Robin Young.
One minor correction on your review of the book - I wasn’t kidding! I was hungry and I meant every damned word of it. Pass the horseradish, please.
Jim (OJNTNJ)
July 17, 2008 at 7:26 am
46Speaking of Jon Swift, here’s the link to my second favorite satirist, as well as the latest from one of my favorite pundits regading the New Yorker curfluffle (sp?).
siobhan
July 17, 2008 at 9:29 am
47(via Crooks and Liars video linky)
I think that Jon Stewart summed it up pretty nicely:
The clip is worth watching, though, especially the end.
Jelly Jam
July 17, 2008 at 10:00 am
48Jim, I tend to agree with your favorite political pundit, and since his essay isn’t nearly as passionate as Adam’s Treatise on the subject, instead of “pundit,” a better definition for Adam might be “campaign worker.”
What do you say, Adam? Do you want to declare?
What would Obama do? ; )
Chris Harlan
July 17, 2008 at 10:12 am
49AcJim: good article.
JellyJam, who I believe to also be Confused: I’m guessing it is for sure that you are a troll, as you seem almost dogmatically driven to prove out the fears of those who geeked over the cover. Clearly–by dint of your what-ho-ish phrasings–you’ve demonstrated that you own the intelligence to understand that the satire is aimed at those forces atempting to demonize Obama, and not of Obama himself. By maintaining that the satire is aimed at BHO, you are confirming others’ fears. But I think you know that.
JR
July 17, 2008 at 10:36 am
50Chris@43: “It’s a cookbook!”
SharonHussein
July 17, 2008 at 11:21 am
51Rod Serling, where are you when we need you?
I’ve been thinking about this for days, and I’ve read several columnists and a couple of other cartoonists’ defense of it. They’re right, as far as they go. Satire is always appropriate. The problem with this cover is that it does not satirize the subjects depicted in the cartoon. Why not? Because Barack and Michelle Obama have done nothing buffoonish enough to be satirized. They are the all-American family. They both came from middle-class hard-working families, they worked hard, went to college, married (to their first and only spouse) and had children. The only thing I could think of to gig them on would be the whole smoking thing–”Barack may run for president only if he promises to stop smoking.”
What the cartoon is satirizing is the people who have been promoting these lies about them. Yes, that’s exactly what Tom Tomorrow’s cartoons do, especially the example of Sadam and Osama as buddies. But TT doesn’t get the exposure that a New Yorker cover does. I don’t ever expect to see a TT cartoon displayed by a right-winger. I do expect to see the New Yorker cover–endlessly photoshop’d–displayed wherever rednecks congregate.
I will support the New Yorker’s right to publish the cover, but they should not be playing innocent as to its impact. And I’m still waiting for the cover that satirizes John McSame.
Sharon Hussein
July 17, 2008 at 3:36 pm
52I guess that was a roundabout way of agreeing with Adam’s first point–insufficient satire.
Dee
July 17, 2008 at 4:30 pm
53Is this the week Adam is guest hosting WWDTM? Gee — wonder what the first question will be about.
Jelly Jam
July 17, 2008 at 6:57 pm
54Chris… the fact that either conclusion can be drawn seems to only prove to me that the dogma lies in the obama fans side of the court.
Just look at poor Sharon trying to maintain that Obama comes from an “all-american family.”
Really? A broken home from bi-racial parents, a wayward father, a mother who travelled the world claiming “america is not my country,” an upbringing in Hawaii, a brother in Kenya Obama pities for not being black enough, and a Obama-proclaimed racist grandmother, to name just a few plot points.
Yep, that’s the Cosby family.
If this one example leads to your conclusion that Sharon, and the many people like her, are perfectly congruent in their assessment of Obama as a political candidate, and their political reframing of anything that contradicts Obama as Martin Luther King and Sidney Portier rolled into one, is perfectly rational, then I guess I am an evil troll going crazy on the good people of the village and your concerns are completely rational and justified.
Or… maybe I just disagree with you.
I know I’m in direct violation of troll by-laws by giving whomever wants it the last word, but don’t forget I’m a craazy kind of troll.
Chris Harlan
July 17, 2008 at 8:27 pm
55Yo, Jelly Jam. Sorry to discombobulate you. In Internet terms, Troll or trolling refers to a form of fishing, not an under-bridge dweller from Norway. Trolling is a sort of sport where the troll is fishing for a desired reaction. A lot of pretend is involved. Calling out a troll’s bluff is sort of part of the game, too.As to the rest, I have trouble understanding your points. I apologize about that, but I think we see the world diferently.
Boomer
July 18, 2008 at 3:16 am
56Oh, I don’t know about the rest of you here, but I like Sharon just fine. Has anyone else noticed that when there is nothing of substance in a political argument that it quickly careens towards the personal? BTW, Jelly Jam (that’s a French name, isn’t it?), Hawaii is part of the United States these days. And a final point, take away the bi-racial aspect to Obama’s story and, yes, it does sound a lot like the America I grew up in.
SharonHussein
July 18, 2008 at 6:54 am
57In fact, I think that being bi-racial is very American, as is growing up in a single-parent household. The landscape has changed quite a lot since we Baby Boomers were kids.
Michelle Obama’s parents were more like the Cosby family that Jelly Jam refers to.
Neither John nor Cindy McCain’s family could be considered a “typical” American family. Both were the children of privilege.
SEA_Golfer
July 18, 2008 at 7:06 am
58Jelly Jam needs to find some real America, not his never existed 50’s dream world.
More than half of adult women in this country don’t have males in their households, so that actually makes him from the all American family. We all have relatives who hold out dated and pig headed opinions, pastor’s who use extreme words to motivate us from our complacent little world and whole host of skeletons in our closets. This does not make us and better or worse as people. It makes us Americans.
I find the Cosby reference incredibly humorous. That is a real family? The parents are both well educated, active in the community, always agree on how to raise the kids, have no time pressures, no money worries, children who respond to rational arguments and can resolve any issue in 23 minutes. That is not reality but the Obama family may be the closes thing we will ever see to in the real world.
The Cosby/Obama America isn’t your country either.
It’s these self lies about what is America that lays the ground work for the NYer cover. Both parties do it because people respond to it but it doesn’t make it right. BHO is at least giving us Realists a hope that a higher percentage of the truth will get addressed after 7 years of self lies in DC. (Not just the President is doing this).
I really hate JJ’s brand of false patriotism.
SharonHussein
July 18, 2008 at 7:27 am
59Well, I tried twice to post a link to a Census Bureau report, but it got swallowed both times.
In the 2000 Census, nearly 7 million people (2.4%) described themselves as being of “more than one race.”
And if we had accurate, objective, records going back 232+ years, I’ll bet the numbers would be a lot higher.
SharonHussein
July 18, 2008 at 7:29 am
60Oh, and Jelly Jam? That’s “SharonHussein” to you.
michael
July 18, 2008 at 7:29 am
61Feh. This is all so overwrought and overblown.
I definitely come down on the Tomorrow/Stewart side of this. It’s a freakin’ cartoon. And it’s not as if New Yorker invented these images; it just exposed and slightly (exaggerated) them. I think the whole kerfuffle is ultimately healthy, actually.
Most interesting/annoying has been the Claude Raines-worthy righteous indignation of the pundit class that has done more than anyone to promote this crap. Remember the breathless reporting on the “Madrassa” crap last year? Remember the ABC debate? I forced myself to watch Chris Matthews comically squirm while interviewing Ryan Lizza for 10 minutes without one mention of Lizza’s actual article. He must have called Obama “exotic” 5 times while trying to assert (and excuse) Obama’s supposed “problem” with Matthews’ beloved Mythical Middle Amurkin; because God Forbid he should use the word black or acknowledge the racism that underlies what the New Yorker parodies.
Pretending this garbage doesn’t exist won’t make it go away. Even if the cartoon wasn’t super funny, at least it forced the MSM to acknowledge the existence of these lies, and their status as lies, albeit in a predictably shallow and self serving fashion.
michael
July 18, 2008 at 7:30 am
62(That should be “exposed and (slightly) exaggerated them”)
cooper
July 18, 2008 at 9:51 am
63Truth be told, I believe there is a bit of Cherokee in my father’s side of the family. They did, after all, live in the Brushy Mountains for 150+ years before moving to civilization. Hey, that would make me even more American, wouldn’t it? So………. when are all you land grabbers and interlopers going to get the hell out of my country, for chrissakes?
Vinnie
July 18, 2008 at 7:22 pm
64Yo, Dale. I guess ya missed da Mermaid Parade on Coney Island dis year, bein’ in Spain studying the parchments f’om da Inquisition and all. I checked out da pictures t’rough Rev. Billy’s site (he was da King Neptune dis year) and I didn’t see ya in any of da pictures. Some of da women were wearing a lot less dan da would have, say, in October. Unfortunately, so were some of da men, as well. Still, it looked like great fun. Maybe next year.
hedera
July 18, 2008 at 8:44 pm
65Funny you should mention Cherokee, cooper - my sister thinks we are measurably part Cherokee (on the basis of assertions by 3 aunts, our grandmother, and a cousin), and has asked me if I’d be willing to have DNA tests done to prove it. (Sure, why not? There’s no paperwork on any of these people, largely because most of them were illiterate…) The Cherokee must have got around…
And SharonHussein is perfectly right - biracial is the norm these days. Here in amazingly diverse Oakland, I regularly run into African American kids with light gray eyes (it’s a nice look), Oriental-featured kids with dark skin, etc. etc. Get a Life, JellyJam, what difference does it make anyway?
And you don’t even want to know how many families in this town have no male head.
Chris Harlan
July 18, 2008 at 11:30 pm
66Just for the record: some of us guys are single working dads, and believe it or not, we can be super-nurturing too. And in an odd coralary to “women in the workplace” issues, we suffer a bit of sexism as well, often from people you’d never expect it from.
cooper
July 19, 2008 at 3:40 am
67Okay, hedera, you can stay - and BTW, it’s more like the Cherokee got pushed around.
just plain Hussein
July 19, 2008 at 12:51 pm
68Since we’re still talking about “The Cover” - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_ main.html?name=Toles&date=07162008&type=c
Steve
July 19, 2008 at 4:39 pm
69just plain Hussein@68: I think that Toles gets it right even when he’s getting it wrong: the sophisticated can spot the difference.
If a version of the cover appeared on the National Review, it would mean one thing. On the New Yorker it means something entirely different.
Intent and context are everything.
What I find so annoying about the tactics of what I call the Outrage Industry (Newsbusters, Media Matters, and all the rest of the professionally incensed), is that they remove comments from context and feed (and feed on) the blogospheric echo chamber effect to manufacture umbrage where none should exist, all for tiresome parochial effect, as if there’s some cosmic Carl Kassel keeping political score and awarding wins, losses, and voices on home answering devices.
C. Kasell
July 19, 2008 at 6:13 pm
70But Steve, there is a cosmic me, I’m keeping score and I’m groovy.
gillian
July 19, 2008 at 6:24 pm
71This is getting ridiculous - I haven’t seen those two for a week. I’d better go check for bodies….
David
July 20, 2008 at 5:33 am
72Mooning the Amtrak - still savoring the image of that happy buns hello. Pity this burgeoning folk festival was cut down in its prime.
A guest hosting most ably and comfortably done, Adam. Peter should maybe worry a little bit?
Sharon Hussein
July 20, 2008 at 6:11 am
73Now THIS is satire:
http://www.dailynews.com/opinions
If the page has changed, search for “patrick o’connor daily news los angeles”
gregory
July 20, 2008 at 6:30 am
74Good one, Sharon Hussein, though at first, when just the top half of the picture was showing, Bush looked more like Jimmy Carter. Thanks for the link.
David, I’m sure this is one festival that can just move on down the line and spontaneously reappear at any time. Those are the best kinds “happenings” anyway.
Boomer
July 20, 2008 at 7:18 am
75Ah, yes. The Laura Petrie Liberation Front. I wondered what had happened to those desperados.
Hot Tub Tommy
July 20, 2008 at 10:10 am
76OK!!!! Today William Krystal started rolling out the “Obama’s unqualified to be president because we’re at war (and subliminally because he’s a negro)” argument. I’m glad I thought of this angle. This will be great political fun, though it may get disgustingly dirty and divisive before it’s over, which will make it even more fun.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/20/bill-kristol-obama-is-so-unqu alified/
gillian
July 20, 2008 at 5:51 pm
77I noticed that Jimmy’s truck was gone when I walked up to his house, but I knocked on the door anyway. No one answered so I went around to the freshly cut back yard (I just can’t get used to that) to have a look. Several cases of empty of Yuenglings (PA’s finest beer) were stacked neatly on the back porch. The top case was not completely filled with empty bottles, so I tried the back door - unlocked, as usual - went in to “borrow” a couple of beers from the fridge and wait for them to return.
Molly was sitting at the kitchen table; she’d quite obviously been crying. She told me to sit down. I’m glad I did.
“Gillian, these have been the best two weeks. Jimmy is the nicest man and we’ve had a wonderful time together. Thanks for inviting me, but I’ll be gathering up my stuff and leaving directly (”directly” is colloquial Carolinian for “right away”. When spoken with the requisite accent, it sounds sweetly melodious and makes perfect sense.).
“What’s wrong, Molly?”
“I’m sure you didn’t know this when you asked me up here, but I saw it right away. I thought I’d work my considerable charm on Jimmy (Molly’s being modest, she has exceptional charm) and win him over and it worked for a while. But in the end, the feelings were just too strong.”
“Well, maybe if you two just slowed down a bit. You know, don’t rush it. You’ve both got plenty of time. Give it a rest, honey. Come back in a month or two and try again.”
“You still don’t get it. Gillian! Jimmy’s in love with YOU!”
I must have sat there in shock for an hour or more. It was noticeably darker when I heard Molly’s car crank up and back down the driveway. I quickly got up from the table and ran outside, but Molly already had her bright red Miata in third gear and was cresting the hill. I turned and walked back to my house where I could sit at my own kitchen table and cry.
David
July 20, 2008 at 6:33 pm
78OK - I did not see that one coming, gillian.
Are the i and the t silent in the Carolina pronunciation of directly?
Like your prognosis for the festival, gregory. And you’re correct, I think, on all counts.
Dale
July 20, 2008 at 7:05 pm
79Off topic, but just when you think you can´t get any more appalled and depressed about this country, you find this. It´s long, but read to the end if you have time–the author steps back and analyzes exactly why this this is going on now–yet another sickening perversion of the ¨war on terror.¨
If anyone has any idea of ways to make this stop, or at least to get it more press, please share.
SallyMutant
July 20, 2008 at 11:55 pm
80Dale, “humane” is never off topic at FanAp.
David
July 21, 2008 at 5:20 pm
81Absolutely never off topic.
Dale, I still haven’t received my size 12s full of Jerez sherry. Can you put a tracer on them, or at least locate the happy/tipsy UPS driver? I got happy/tipsy on Jerez in Jerez about 30 years ago, and I was really looking forward to reliving the moment. I at least want to know who got to relive it for me.
gillian
July 21, 2008 at 5:41 pm
82Talk about dazed and confused. Maybe all we need is a good laugh. Yeah, right.
http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/07/22/tomo/
Dale
July 21, 2008 at 5:54 pm
83David–you didn´t give me an address, so I just wrote “David needing alcohol in Florida” on the box, I figured that would avoid any possible confusion. It hasn´t arrived yet, really? (PS–send me your address and I´ll see if I can make it up to you. shuger02135@yahoo.com) Meanwhile, maybe you should stock up on a fine new Belgian brew available at your local grocer.
Sharon Hussein
July 21, 2008 at 5:58 pm
84Dale, if there is a god, She must be really pissed with us by now. As it is written in the NT, “Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me.” Now I’m going to go hold my breath while we wait for some good ole Americans (by which we mean, of course, white men who own property) to step in and take those fine jobs at Agriprocessors so that we can continue to have our cheap processed lunch meats.
Sharon Hussein Socialist
July 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm
85This is waay off topic, but I have to get it off my chest. Ever since the bailouts of Chrysler and Silverado S&L, we’ve heard the neo-con mantra of “too big to fail.” Chrysler was “too big to fail.” The S&Ls were “too big to fail.” Now FannieMae and FreddieMac are “too big to fail.” I’m sick of hearing this. Of other countries that receive our financial aid, we demand that they embrace free-market capitalism and allow weak companies to fail, making room for stronger, more competent companies to move in. But when a favored big corporation fails in the US because it can’t make money and follow the rules at the same time, the cry goes up, “It’s too big to fail! If it fails, it will bring down the entire US economy! We must immediately appropriate US taxpayer dollars to rescue it!”
We are looking at this all wrong. Big corporations are not “too big to fail.” They are too big. Period. When the economy of an entire country hinges on the success or failure of a single corporation, that corporation is too big. Corporations exist for the benefit of the People, not the other way around. Corporations are given permission to operate by the State, and must abide by rules of operation as established by the People’s duly elected representatives. The State–that is, The People–expect the corporation to live or die on its own merits and competencies. When a company is incorporated, the deal does NOT include a promise by the State that the company will be bailed out by us taxpayers if it gets into trouble.
If we don’t limit the size of corporations to something that is more manageable and less threatening to the national–and world–economy, then we shouldn’t be surprised when this keeps happening over and over and over. Maybe if we’d let Chrysler fail back in the 70s, we’d all be driving solar-powered electric cars by now.
There must be some comedy in there somewhere.
Chris Harlan
July 21, 2008 at 9:25 pm
86Sharon Hussein points an angry finger @ “white men who own property” and I say: ah, gosh. Stop picking on “white men who own property.”
gregory
July 22, 2008 at 5:51 am
87Sharon Hussein, if by property you mean a toothbrush, well, I do own a toothbrush and I am (sigh…) a white man. I didn’t think I was causing that much trouble. Maybe we (by that I mean all Americans) could just eat less processed meat. Would that help? We would not have to brush our teeth as much, making our toothbrushes last longer and thereby making us less of a consumer driven economy and helping us to save the planet. Sharon, thank you. You’re a genius!
Remember, Rev. Billy sez “Stop shopping!”
SharonHussein
July 22, 2008 at 9:07 am
88Sorry, Chris. Don’t take it personally. Unless you’re one of those who believes that little brown people walk here from Mexico and Guatemala to take all the good jobs from real Americans. I was just harking back to the words of the Founding Fathers, who wrote that “all men are created equal,” but were only thinking about male white property owners.
SharonHussein
July 22, 2008 at 9:08 am
89“Cost of Bailout of Loan Giants Is Estimated at $25 Billion
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: July 23, 2008
WASHINGTON — The proposed government rescue of the nation’s two mortgage finance giants will appear on the federal budget as a $25 billion cost to taxpayers, the independent Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday even though officials conceded that there was no way of really knowing what, if anything, a bailout would cost.”
Neo-cons never met a big corporation they didn’t want to give a helping hand-out to.
Steve
July 22, 2008 at 9:53 am
90That New Yorker coda:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/07/new-yorker-cover.htm l
Now what say you?
Zee Man
July 22, 2008 at 10:27 am
91Well, Steve, all I can say is that I’m glad that we’ve all got it out of our system now. So what else can help us chose our next president? How about issues? How would that be?
Steve
July 22, 2008 at 2:51 pm
92Zee Man: How about issues?
Issues? Why bother? Can you honestly tell me that they matter, whatever “they” may be?
Elections aren’t decided on “issues”. They’re decided on emotionalism — whichever candidate is “cooler” in some very subjective sense.
Gore lost because (a) he was cheated out of Florida and (b) because he was perceived as a dull wonk. Uncool and preachy to boot.
Kerry lost because he was perceived as uncool.
Bob Dole? Totally uncool.
George H W Bush? On a scale of 1 to Cool, Clinton was cooler (played saxaphone and played around).
GHW Bush was cooler than Dukakis.
Reagan was considered cooler than Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter.
Carter was cooler than Ford.
And so on.
Obama will win because he’s a “rock star” and cooler than McCain.
Issues are irrelevant and other than small disparities around the edges, the candidates barely differ at all.
[Credit where credit is due. The “Coolness” theory belongs Milt Policzer of CourthouseNews.com. Unfortunately, I can no longer find it online.]
Zee Man
July 22, 2008 at 5:20 pm
93Hey gang, it looks we have an angry and cynical young man here. How rare.
BTW, is cynicism still cool? I seem to be out of the loop, plus I work for the federal government, so I wouldn’t know cool if it smacked me between the eyes. At least, that’s what my angry and cynical kids tell me. Often.
Steve
July 22, 2008 at 5:35 pm
94Zee Man: Hey gang, it looks we have an angry and cynical young man here.
Hardly young, sir. Hardly young.
Old enough to have voted in every election I cite. Usually on the losing side. Missed voting against Nixon, too, because 18 year olds couldn’t vote back then.
Jake
July 22, 2008 at 6:13 pm
95Steve #16 - “No, no, Obama doesn’t believe in a Sixth Century guy who started receiving messages from God in his head, he believes in a rabble rousing rabbi who thought he was God…”
That’s an interesting concept you touch on. What if the founders of religious movements were not visionaries, as presented, but actually suffered from mental illness - schizophenia, bi-polar disorder, Asperger’s or Tourette’s syndrome, for example? And what if our ancestors were just too stupid to figure out that by immediately clubbing these wackos, they would have saved humans a lot of misery through the ages?
Jarrett
July 22, 2008 at 6:26 pm
96Steve, then it sounds like you’re old enough to remember this campaign slogan from Nixon’s bid for re-election -
“Don’t change Dicks in the middle of a screw,
Vote for Nixon in ‘72!”
Unless you were maybe in a Southeast Asian jungle fighting Nixon’s war. Then you might not have heard it. By the way, I seem to have your same luck in choosing our leaders.
Steve
July 23, 2008 at 7:14 am
97This will be brief, since I seem to have actual work to do today and the energy to do it with.
Jake: That’s an interesting concept you touch on. What if the founders of religious movements were not visionaries, as presented, but actually suffered from mental illness. . .
There’s an interesting book which I believe is still in print by a Princeton psychologist named Julian Janes called The Origins of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Despite it’s somewhat prolix and academic-sounding title, it’s actually quite readable. I’m working from memory here since I read it decades ago and don’t have it closely at hand to check my recollection, but Janes, after a lengthy introduction and discourse on what “consciousness” means anyhow, suggests that it was not until recently, evolutionarily speaking, that the brain hemispheres “fused” such that they communicated in a coherent manner. Janes posits that it was the somewhat fuzzy communication between hemispheres that caused earlier humans to believe that they were hearing the voice of a “god” in their minds when they were actually just “hearing” crosstalk between the hemispheres.
That sounds absurd but I happend to work in a neuroscience lab (though I am not a neuroscientist by any stretch of the imagination — I’m a computer visualization guy, if you really want to know) and one day in conversation with one of the researchers I brought this theory up, mostly as a joke, assuming that it would be dismissed. It turns out that Janes is quite well respected and that his theory holds some amount of water.
You be the judge.
I would also note that until recently, the word “visionary” was not meant to be taken as a compliment — it literally meant “seeing visions” or hallucinating. It has only taken on its more common meaning of “far seeing“.
Jarrett: Yes, I remember the slogan well. I managed to avoid service in Mr Nixon’s (and Mr Johnson’s) war by means of a student deferment and, eventually, by a high draft lottery number, not being the wastrel son of a member of the Texas Congressional delegation.
“Je n’ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n’ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte. — Blaise Pascal
cooper
July 23, 2008 at 9:18 am
98Steve, you may appreciate this. One of my good buddies in college received a lottery # of 365 - when he was 18 and not eligible for the lottery. The next year, when he was eligible, he got the number 7. Needless to say, he stayed on in school for as long as he could and emerged with a PhD in Mechanical Engineering in 1974.
I had a lottery number of 174 and they stopped at 171 in my county that year (1970). I quickly dropped out of college and hit the road. Those were a couple of very good years. And then….back to college to finish up.
Steve
July 23, 2008 at 12:13 pm
99cooper: Needless to say, he stayed on in school for as long as he could and emerged with a PhD in Mechanical Engineering in 1974.
Yeah, the draft did wonders to promote higher education. One of my best friends has his PhD in Oceanography for I suspect largely the same reason.
One correction to my respose to Zee Man (#92) above: I was actually 20 in 1968 and could not vote — the voting age at the time was 21 (the voting age was lowered to 18 in 1971 — I always wondered why Nixon allowed it, given the general antipathy between Mr Nixon and a large portion of the youth in the country at the time — history shows us that perhaps Mr Nixon knew something that the rest of us didn’t). I did actively campaign against Nixon and vote for George McGovern in my first election in 1972, beginning a long and unbroken series of electoral heartbreaks which continues to this day. It seems that even when we win, we still lose (viz. Carter, Clinton).
Jersey
July 23, 2008 at 12:26 pm
100Steve, perhaps it was the Democratic led House and Senate that jammed the voting age bill through. It’s hard to imagine Nixon being behind that one.
Steve
July 23, 2008 at 4:23 pm
101Jersey: While memory is somewhat hazy on the matter, I seem to recall that it was a Nixonian initiative, in response to the charge that if we were old enough to go to the Nam we should be old enough to vote. Rather than stop the war, we were thrown this bone.
But, again, that era is befogged by the mists of time and . . . uh. . . other things.
But at least I know that Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia fifteen years ago, a fact that seems to have eluded John McCain.
Kjell Mikkelsen
July 23, 2008 at 6:54 pm
102I be not able hold back for #100. I have nothing else å say.
hedera
July 23, 2008 at 7:05 pm
103Dale #79 - I’ve been working on the web site project for a couple of days and am just catching up. I read the article about the ICE raids until I couldn’t bear to read any more - I couldn’t finish it. And it isn’t as if we don’t have ICE raids here in California - oh, we do, we do. Someday, somewhere, we’re going to pay for what we’re doing. I only regret - I deeply regret - that Dubya and his neocon cronies never will pay for it.
SeattleDan
July 23, 2008 at 9:04 pm
104101 comments and not one from me. How’d that happen?
David
July 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm
105I was already teaching when the SOB from San Clemente brought his “secret plan” to the White House. Little did people know just how many secret plans Nixon and his evil political spawn were capable of.
Favorite stickers:
Dick Nixon before He Dicks You
Nixon’s the One - Agnew’s the Other One
Oh, but those were fun times. Thought they were just a passing political phase, and that ultimately America would once again make sense. Merd. Still, with Obama there is at least possibility. He is a political animal, and he is running to win, but he is not just another politician - whatever that actually means. Pay particular attention to those around him. That will tell you much of what you need to know, as will every speech he gives/has given, and everything he writes/has written. Little of what a politician says or writes is actually hollow. It might be intentionally ambiguous regarding the question asked, but it is still revealing when taken as part of the whole of what that person says/writes. Ultimately, of course, it will be what he/she does that matters most, but in my experience, that can always be found in the body of what has been said/written.
Meanwhile, would the talking heads please just mostly shut the fuck up and let/make the candidates speak for themselves. And would voters please just learn to tune out all political ads. Yeah, I know, Dream on, David.
David
July 27, 2008 at 8:44 pm
106Dale,
That really should have worked. It would have when I was an undergraduate at the University of Florida 60-64. Maybe it’s because you forgot to include “Down there on the edge…of the Green Swamp.”
Chris Harlan
July 27, 2008 at 11:32 pm
107Steve@95 I think you are the only person I’ve ever know to site the Janes book. I picked it up years ago and found it fascinating.