The Democrats
Hillary has floundered! Obama is surging! Edwards is lying in the weeds. Well, the corn. And I’m not calling him a liar. It’s a… folksy… colloquialism. You know, like the people of Iowa appreciate. And I’m a man of the people. Just folk, that’s me.
And I’m bored. I should’ve run.
That’s right, a political fanboy like me is actually bored with the Presidential race at this moment. At least on the Democratic side. The caucus will… caucusize, and all three big candidates seem well-positioned to declare victory, and then it’s on to New Hampshire, so that two of the three of them can begin their “comeback.” Which didn’t used to naturally follow a “victory,” but now it does. Get used to it.
Will it really be a victory for all three of them? Well, I’d say that Obama needs an actual victory for it to be seen as a victory, while Edwards can comfortably declare victory on the basis of his “surge.” Hillary… well, she doesn’t need to win. She doesn’t need your love. She doesn’t even really need your vote, not yet. In a few weeks, if she doesn’t put a couple of wins up on the board, she cold be in serious trouble. But for now she’s still serenely at the control panel inside the head of a giant old-timey iron robot constructed by money, endorsements, and politicking. Her official “surprising Comeback Kid moment” is scheduled for Michigan, on January 15th. Please pencil in your shock and sudden appreciation of “Hill-mentum.”
So in many ways tomorrow is about Obama and Edwards, and I know one thing about it for sure: There can be only one. If one of them doesn’t emerge and solidify his status as the real, actual alternative, this campaign’s Pepsi, the Hillary Cola is going to run away with it. There is no room for Dr. Pepper in this fight, let alone RC or Mr. Pibb.





42 comments
Murray
January 3, 2008 at 12:19 pm
1Pepsi? Dr. Pecker? Mr. Pibb? Hell just give me a Jack.
hedera
January 3, 2008 at 12:23 pm
2I see the site is back up. I tried to check in last night and got an interesting HTML error. I thought, “Ah, Adam’s fighting with the elves again.”
My feminist leanings tell me I should be voting for Hillary; but Hillary just gives me too much of the feeling that she thinks we should vote for her because it’s her turn. This is the attitude that turned me off the Democratic candidate in the last California gubernatorial election. This isn’t something you get a “turn” at.
And I’ve had a strong feeling that I should vote for Obama; and I still like him. His major plus is that he isn’t an insider; he’ll give us a fresh point of view. Also he appears occasionally actually to use the brain he was born with. But he’s starting to waffle too much, and sound too much like everybody else. His position on health care assumes he can stick to the existing system and yet still offer affordable coverage to everybody, and it ain’t a-gonna work that way; the insurance companies will simply refuse to sell coverage.
So after following up this link, which Anonymous David posted on my site last night, and reading the articles on Obama and Edwards, I find myself leaning once again toward - John Edwards. Whose populist, progressive positions I’ve always agreed with. Who is the only one of the “front four” honest about single-payer health insurance. But I’ve always said Edwards couldn’t possibly win; and I’m SO tired of voting for someone I liked and then finding I’ve just split the Dem vote and let in the other guy. (To be honest, Jesus Christ couldn’t have won the 1980 election against Reagan - or at least, I don’t think so. But I still regret that vote for Anderson.)
The ultimate dilemma, of course, is that the U.S. presidency is much too important a position to allow it to go to someone who wants it badly enough to campaign for it…
piglet
January 3, 2008 at 12:51 pm
3Yeah, what hedera said.
It's Pat!
January 3, 2008 at 1:15 pm
4Well, it’s a toasty 25 degrees and 50 mph winds here. Iowa is being blown up to me whether I want it or not.
The part of me that wants to feel some connection with the candidate (the little bits of a person that allowed Schrub to get elected by those craaazy Republicans and independents) loves to listen to Edwards and look at Obama. If I read what Hillary says, I like her too. Anyway, I’m with Hedera, but I’ll take anyone of these three Nehi’s (remember, that was Radar’s favorite too, and he was from Iowa) over whatever it is that gets nominated by those fun lovin’, whacky Republicans.
P.S. Do not mix Cherry flavored Diet 7-up with rum. Icky.
SeattleDan
January 3, 2008 at 1:44 pm
5Hey, We’re back!
My first two choices, Kucinich and Dodd, don’t look to have a chance. So I guess I’m also in the Edwards camp until further notice.
And vodka with Dr. Pepper is one fine drink.
Jason
January 3, 2008 at 4:08 pm
6Whatever happened to Mr. Pibb, man?
Happy New Year to one and all!
Boomer
January 3, 2008 at 6:33 pm
7NBC just called Huckabee the projected Republican winner tonight in Iowa. Will wonders never cease? That’s okay, though. Think of the fun we can have with his name. And his gun toting, dog-stoning son.
just plain Jack
January 3, 2008 at 6:45 pm
8Yeah, Boomer, and NPR just called for Obama. The times they are a-changin’.
Zee Man
January 3, 2008 at 8:11 pm
9Relax, Adam, the strike will be over soon, the blur that is your life will kick in again, and you’ll be bored no more.
NPR is saying Chris Dodd has dropped out of the race. Damn! He was my man! I guess I’ll hang with the Kucinich fans until he drops.
Time for bed in the DC area. Later.
Dale
January 3, 2008 at 8:38 pm
10Am I the only person who finds it frustrating that this country treats the presidential race exactly like a sports event, where the competition is all the ¨fun¨ and the object is just to win? I have heard ten times more stories about strategies and polls and the contest itself than about candidate positions on actual issues. When a team wins the Superbowl, that´s it, they won, it´s over. Last I checked, the point of being elected president was not to be elected president, it was to make a positive change in this country and the world. The election should just be a means to that end, and the campaign a means to that means.
IMGO (in my grumpy opinion).
hedera
January 3, 2008 at 9:31 pm
11Dale, be grateful they treat it like a sports event. The only other metaphor they seem to have is a “war” - as in, “war on drugs,” “war on poverty,” “global war on terror” …
As a complete non-sports fan, I also find the whole metaphor frustrating and annoying, but the fact is that a large number of people in this country enjoy surrogate competition: they don’t want to play football themselves (well most of them) but they love watching someone else play. Same with running for office; they don’t want to do it but they love to watch it.
At least they are watching it, and maybe they’ll actually learn something that will cause them to think, and to vote.
Jim (OJNTNJ)
January 3, 2008 at 11:18 pm
12Dale, you’re not alone in your frustration, and not necessarily grumpy (or alone in your grumpiness). Rather, you seem to be looking for actual substinence from the candidates and fourth estate as opposed to finger-food.
The results of the Iowa caucuses tonight seem to indicate that (at least in Iowa) the average Democratic voter is more interested in electing someone who does not have the appearance of supporting the status quo (unlike the Republic voters who apparently are trying to maintain their
strangle holdstatus quo).That said, Am I the only one who finds it frustrating that nobody else has invoked Fanta soda as a metapor?
No? Oh…then nevermind……
cooper
January 4, 2008 at 5:00 am
13Sound like some other politician you may know?
Jim (OJNTNJ), actually, I see the Democrats somewhat like RC Cola or Sundrop and the Republicans very similar to Fresca.
[Anonymous] David
January 4, 2008 at 7:13 am
14You’re definitely not alone, Dale.
Make that an RC Cola and a Moonpie, cooper. In my case, also make that a drop-trow moonpie for Cheney, his sidekick Bush, and that fundie goof Huckabee, and for that matter the entire Republican national machine, which I think of as our Godzilla, but without any of Godzilla’s redeeming qualities.
Also, Thank Lobster FA is back up! That was a rough couple of days.
Fanta? Fresca? I know what they are (I think), but it is hard for me to imagine them as a metaphor for anything, but maybe that’s the point. They seem like something until you discover there’s nothing there but bubbly water and fake sugar. They are nutrition-devoid diet sodas, aren’t they? Oh, I think I just babbled my way into getting it.
becca (and brian)
January 4, 2008 at 7:29 am
15So…I know that this is not in any way new or news….but I’m so frustrated and can’t get over the inanity that is the primary process. So the race is decided by Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina?? How much of the US population is that? I suppose there’s the whole super primary day as well…..
I’m more tuned in and engaged and concerned and passionate about this election than any in my lifetime (granted, there haven’t been a lot while i’ve been able to vote (all bush/clinton, in fact)) and I actually believe that the primary race is a particularly important one this time. Yet I live in Oregon, which means I have absolutely NO say in who becomes the Democratic nominee (other than donating some money). A May primary is pretty much useless. (I believe Brian told me we are the 44th state to choose.) So much for participatory democracy…..
Sigh….
Okay….whine/rant over.
becca (and brian)
January 4, 2008 at 8:20 am
16Oh, and another thing…
Hillary’s biggest message lately seems to be: you need a candidate who has the experience, who is “ready to be president day 1″. You don’t want to take a leap of faith, etc. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe her husband (while having more background than Bush in terms of int’l awareness at least) was also viewed as someone with not much relevant experience (only been gov of a small state), someone much like what she’s portraying Obama to be, and he turned out (in my opinion at least) to be a pretty darn good president.
Does that irony never occur to her or her campaign? Or does she just assume (like most politicians) that the voters have a very short memory?
sharon
January 4, 2008 at 10:06 am
17“Sports event”? I thought it was a beauty contest.
What hedera said.
I have mixed feelings about Dodd dropping out. On the one hand, he’s my senator, and lord knows we need more people like him in the Senate right now. Besides Feingold, I believe he’s the only senator to stand up to these war criminals in the WH and on Capitol Hill. On the other hand, he would make a fine President, and I was backing him. He has the experience and the gravitas, to be President. In another age–like the one I grew up in–he would have been the front runner. But the MSM doesn’t like him. He’s not quirky enough to be entertaining, he can’t be ridiculed by the right-wing talking heads, and he’s got too much of that New England independent streak to be tamed by the corporate powers that really run this country.
I wish we had better choices. I will back either Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination. But I really want to vote for Edwards or Kucinich, and will probably write in one of them when the time comes. Four to eight years of President Huckabee is too horrible to contemplate–like 8 years of Bush/Cheney, but without their restraints. And life is too short as it is.
Oh, and by the way, today’s my birthday. It’s getting serious now. I won’t tell you how old I am, but Harry Truman was still president when I was born. A few more years and I’ll be eligible to draw Social Security–if there’s any left.
margaret
January 4, 2008 at 10:08 am
18Though I make my so-called living as a writer, my vocabulary cannot adequately express the joy of being a registered NH voter on this particular morning. To say I’m giddy at the outcomes of the Iowa Caucus is a massive understatement. Oh, are we going to have fun here in the Granite State over the next 4 days!
And then, after hanging on our every twitch, nod, handclap, shudder, smirk, and shrug, the press and staffers and volunteers and vote-seekers will depart for warmer climes and leave us alone in our mountains of snow and suck up to other folk. And it’s about time. For us, this presidential campaign started the day after Inauguration Day.
Ann
January 4, 2008 at 11:10 am
19As a native Iowan, I have to express my puzzlement about the disproportionate weight of the Iowa caucuses. Why are they so important? It can’t be just because they’re first. Is it because the candidates have spent so much of their campaign budget in Iowa, so if they don’t do well they can’t afford to campaign elsewhere? And if that’s the case, why would the candidates do that? I harbor some affection for my home state, but I hope I have no delusions about its ability to reflect the wishes of the nation.
Can someone explain?
Dave von Ebers
January 4, 2008 at 1:56 pm
20Ann, I think the fair answer is, “No. No one can explain it.”
I’m a fellow flat-lander, one state over, and I’ve never been able to understand why the first few primaries have such an impact on the outcome of the overall race. I never understood why Howard Dean dropped out in 2004 after Iowa. He had a huge following here in Illinois and although he may never have won the nomination he certainly could have influenced the debate on the Democratic side if he had stayed in through the end.
Mind you, I’ve got nothing against the Hawkeye State. I’ve run 4 or 5 Dam to Dam races over there in that Des Moines in my day, so I kinda like the place. But no one state, or handful of states, oughta have that kind of impact on the nomination process. ‘Course, I like me some Obama … but that’s a whole ‘nother matter.
waterfowler
January 4, 2008 at 2:10 pm
21Dittos, Hedera! (@ least the last paragraph)
As for this right wing-nut, I can only say I’m as unimpressed w/ my choices as y’all seem to be w/ yours.
SeattleDan
January 4, 2008 at 2:12 pm
22Happy Birthday, Sharon! It sounds like you and I are about the same age. I don’t remember HST as President, but he was serving when I arrived in this world.
As to Iowa/New Hampshire, it isn’t particularly fair to the rest of us. I did like Dodd, and now I won’t be able to caucus for him here in Washington. Mind you, there isn’t a Democrat candidate that I would feel uncomfortable voting for come November. But I sure would have liked to have my say in the selection process.
Dale
January 4, 2008 at 2:41 pm
23Which candidate is Canada Dry Cranberry Ginger Ale? That´s who I´m voting for.
cooper
January 4, 2008 at 3:49 pm
24PhDale, I think that would have to be Kucinich. Canada Dry Cranberry Ginger Ale is vegan, right? Ann?
Margaret, enjoy the circus while it’s in town.
Happy Birthday, Sharon. I’m one of the last of the ‘49ers myself. It’s good to be nearing retirement.
Hey, wf. Actually, I’m somewhat satisfied with the Democratic candidates, though I’m with Zee Man - Dodd should not have been culled so quickly. But, then again he’s got important work to do in the Senate, keeping the telecoms’ feet to the fire as far as the wiretapping immunity goes.
Pope Benny 16
January 4, 2008 at 4:43 pm
25In an interview with Italy’s Petrus web site, which concentrates on Vatican affairs, 82 year old Father Gabriele Amorth, the official exorcist of the Rome diocese, said that the Holy Father would soon undertake a new campaign to combat demonic possession. “Thank God,” said the Italian priest, “we have a Pope who has decided to confront the devil head-on.”
Father Amorth must have slipped out of the restraints again. (BTW, do we still have exorcists that battle “demonic possession”? Is there really that much of a need for them?) Franco says I should make Father Amorth disappear - bad for the Papal image. Father Guido has a special talent for handling such matters, so I’ll get him right on it. Besides, Father Guido seemed especially grateful to me after being rescued from the catacombs by my personal valet, though Guido did chip a tooth when he was cut down from his stress position.
sharon
January 4, 2008 at 5:19 pm
26WF, I’d be willing to bet that you are a lot more unhappy with your choices than we in the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party are with ours. At least we have one guy who was smart enough to see through the smoke and mirrors about Iraq, and tough enough to vote against a war of aggression which, as I understand it, is considered a war crime by the rest of the civilized world.
Dave von Ebers
January 4, 2008 at 6:16 pm
27My question is, is there room in this campaign for a little Ale-8-One? Huh?
David
January 4, 2008 at 7:23 pm
28Love the Ale-8-One, Dave (I was born in Covington, Kentucky, although I was never a resident - mother returned there for my birth because she knew and trusted the doctor who delivered me - in a blizzard). I would like to suggest Squirt as a contender in this choose-a-soda political metaphor-off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirt
but I beg to differ with Wikipedia on one important point. It was my Uncle Jack Schwartz who originally suggested the name for precisely the reason attributed to the founder of the company. My sources are my mother and my Aunt Mildred. Unfortunately, none of my sources is still alive, so I can’t use them for verification, but I am going to ask my cousin Jackie. I really do remember being told this as a child, and am seriously considering correcting Wikipedia on this point, although I might have to concede that only the founder could actually name the soda. But Uncle Jack came up with the name.
Also, Happy Birthday, Sharon, you youngster, you. FDR was elected to his third term two years before my birth. I remember Harry Truman, and I remember the day the Korean War ended.
hedera
January 4, 2008 at 9:07 pm
29Happy birthday, Sharon, and you’re not alone - Harry Truman was still president when I was born, although in that case “still” may be the wrong word, as he’d only been in office for about a year. (Look it up.)
It is too bad about Dodd, but more power to his elbow in the Senate - you’re right, we need him there. Maybe more than in the White House, at this moment.
SeattleDan, you do realize that Dr. Pepper is carbonated prune juice?? (With vodka??)
Just Jay
January 4, 2008 at 10:09 pm
30Happy Birthday Sharon. Depending on when you read this, it might be my birthday as well, January 5th during the second Eisenhower administration. I’m hoping that there is a different winner every time for the next couple of primaries. That might keep it competitive long enough for the upper left hand corner (assuming a north up, west to the left map) to make a difference.
Jay
Linkmeister
January 4, 2008 at 11:51 pm
31Boy, this crowd skews old. I’m another one born in the HST years (a month after the Phillies were swept by the Yankees!).
I was for Dodd, but I’m not heartbroken he’s out; hopefully it means he’ll have more time to spend battling Shrub and his orcs in the Senate.
SeattleDanandTammy
January 5, 2008 at 12:35 am
32Links, if I’m not mistaken I was born right about the time the Phillies got swept.
Why, I remember it like it was yesterday…. the pitch from Ford, swung on and popped up by Seminick, Berra’s under it, and it’s over folks, the Yankees are the 1950 World’s Champions, sweeping the Philadelphia Whiz Kids in a four game series….
Well, I made that up. But it’s close to reality.
SeattleDan
January 5, 2008 at 12:37 am
33that was me,
Also, the same month, United Nations forces move into Korea.
dee
January 5, 2008 at 10:00 am
34Oh thank Lobster there are a few people here older than I. The boys came home from Korea the year I was born (and I highly recommend “The Coldest Winter” for a great read about that war.) So happy birthday to Sharon and Just Jay.
Obama gives a damn fine speech. His victory speech on Thursday night had me shouting “Amen!” even though I’m not a big fan of his. I can third or fourth what hedera said above. I really liked Dodd, but I’m glad he’ll be in the Senate fighting for us. So Edwards is my choice now, and it really frosts my cookies that Kucinich told his Iowa supporters to swing over to Obama if they were at less than 15%, when Edwards more clearly aligns with him politically. I’m not sure what that was all about but he lost a lot of respect from me with that move.
And in other important choices, it’s a toss-up between Vernor’s Ginger Ale and Faygo Rock-n-Rye. Guess it all depends on where you were raised.
Dave von Ebers
January 5, 2008 at 10:09 am
35David, Dee is right about Vernor’s. It’s the best damn ginger ale made. I like Ale-8-One for its kitschy-ness, but you can’t beat Vernor’s for taste. The Best.
Then again, Canfield’s Diet Chocolate Soda was pretty dam good, way back when.
(Of course, that’s my Midwestern bias showing, but what the hey.)
sharon
January 5, 2008 at 10:31 am
36Happy Birthday. JJ!
Re “carbonated prune juice”–hey! Some of us like prune juice! Having been born and raised a few miles from the primary DP bottling plant in Dallas, I had the stuff in my blood for many years. I’ve cut back–as I have on all soda–but I still enjoy an ice-cold bottle of DP now and then, especially when I go back home to visit.
sharon
January 5, 2008 at 10:52 am
37Dee, you’re right about DK and Edwards, and in fact I’ve decided to back Edwards for the time being, but maybe he wanted the Iowans to back Obama so that Obama’s numbers would be boosted even more?
Did you all see the vote totals in terms of percentage of total turnout? (Still preliminary, because apparently the Repubs are still trying to count the votes–often a warning sign of vote diddling.) Huckabee actually came in 4th, after the top three Democrats, in the raw results that I saw–which unfortunately I cannot find now.
Jim (OJNTNJ)
January 5, 2008 at 11:47 am
38Dave VE,
Thanks for providing the link to the Ale-8-One website. I was particularly amused by the (unintended?) irony of the camouflage cap emblazoned with the screamingly loud company logo advertised in the company store.
David
January 5, 2008 at 4:28 pm
39No question about Vernor’s being the best. It was the only ginger ale we would even consider buying when I was a kid.
Regarding this thing about “old,” I have one name to remind y’all of: Satchel. Also, January 16th would have been my dad’s 100th birthday, but he rode off in that silver Thunderbird at 98 1/2, Lobster love one the finest human beings ever. No bias here, just fact.
Mine is the 28th, #66. And the driver of #66 plans to do like Junior Johnson did when he won the 1960 Daytona 500 in not the fastest or newest Chevrolet: he just floored the damned thing and kept turning LEFT.
Dave von Ebers
January 5, 2008 at 6:44 pm
40Oh, c’mon. Old, schmold. If you know what they say about life beginning in the mid-40’s. Or is it 50’s? I dunno.
Alls I know is, the music I listened to in college was called “punk rock” back then; it’s “classic rock” today. Sigh.
But it puts me in mind of my fav-o-rite Clash song:
From every dingy basement
On every dingy street
I hear every dragging hand clap
Over every dragging beat
It’s just the beat of time,
The beat that must go on
If you’ve been tryin’ for years
We’ve already heard your song …
‘Course, that was, like, 30 years ago.
“Death or Glory,” indeed, my friends.
David
January 5, 2008 at 8:09 pm
41I think it used to be “Life begins at 50.” At one point in the late 50s or early 60s, Oldsmobile keyed their ads to people over 50 who wanted to pretend they were 25. But shit, life starts when it starts and ends when it ends. ‘Course for some people it ends before it ends, and in cases of profoundly severe defects, never really starts, at least as we generally understand human life. Most of us just win the first roll of the dice.
I am reminded of one thing from the past as I watch today’s crop of “elder statesmen” and “wise old men”: the Robert Byrds, Bill Moyers, Jimmy Carters, and Walter Kronkites are too few and far between, and “never trust anyone over 30,” while incorrect, was (and is) not without good cause.
Michael Moore comes down in favor of Edwards:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010308L.shtml
Dave von Ebers
January 6, 2008 at 8:53 am
42Yeah, David … only now it’s, um, never trust anybody over 70 …. Or something like that.