From The New York Times
WASHINGTON, Nov. 13 — Federal agents investigating the Sept. 16 episode in which Blackwater security personnel shot and killed 17 Iraqi civilians have found that at least 14 of the shootings were unjustified and violated deadly-force rules in effect for security contractors in Iraq, according to civilian and military officials briefed on the case.
The F.B.I. investigation into the shootings in Baghdad is still under way, but the findings, which indicate that the company’s employees recklessly used lethal force, are already under review by the Justice Department.
Prosecutors have yet to decide whether to seek indictments, and some officials have expressed pessimism that adequate criminal laws exist to enable them to charge any Blackwater employee with criminal wrongdoing…
Investigators found no evidence to support assertions by Blackwater employees that they were fired upon by Iraqi civilians.
So… 17 dead, at least 14 of them “unjustifiably so.” Given that there’s “no evidence” of the Blackwater guys being fired upon, I’m not quite clear on what those other three did to deserve being shot dead. My guess is that it involves “criminal snarkiness.” Those Iraqis don’t realize that words can hurt just as badly as bullets. But they can. They can.
But aside from the three justifiable homicides, this will not stand! Those other guys must and WILL answer for their… hold it…
State Department Grants Immunity to Guards Investigated for Shooting Iraqi Civilians
October 30 - ABC News has learned the exact wording of the immunity deal the State Department granted Blackwater security guards involved in a September shooting incident that left 17 Iraqis dead…
Now, before you all get your panties in a bunch over this, let me warn you that those liberals are going to try to use this as an opportunity to create a socialized military. Yes, you heard me. If they have their way, they will try to nationalize the defense industry, placing our well-being in the hands of government bureaucrats. I’m not kidding - that’s what they want. Rather than letting the marketplace determine who can and can’t shoot you, and when, they’d let the government decide.
Do we really want that? Really? Write your congressmen. Tell them you don’t need Big Government butting into military affairs.
[Paid for by Citizens for Incredibly Lucrative Security Contracts]





75 comments
gillian
November 14, 2007 at 10:26 am
1That is precisely why I quit wearing panties 12 years ago. So darned uncomfortable when they bunch up like that. Walking is bad enough, but just try sitting!
Murray
November 14, 2007 at 10:29 am
2That’s right! We need to save our Government Bureaucrats for important things like finding ways to protect rich contractors from prosecution from nuisance charges like murder, theft, and graft.
Oh and talking about our congressmen. See the last column’s post regarding Tony’s official 2008 campaign kickoff.
Gary
November 14, 2007 at 4:05 pm
3Guv’ment-run defense business! Insanity!!! A cash-motivated, private fighting force is essential to the survival of the party… err, I mean the fatherland (oh, you know what I mean).
Guess I’ll be cancelling my cable TV service tomorrow. Seems like there’s just nothing new on the box anymore. HONK!!!
David
November 14, 2007 at 4:14 pm
4Yeah, just imagine what would have happened if we’d tried to fight WWII with a bunch of Government Issues. Even worse, what if we’d had one of those Democrats who think the federal government can work as President. We’d all be speaking German and goose stepping. Thank God for the Republican principles of foreign and domestic policy, plus all those latter day Hessians who won it all for us. And now the liberals want to throw it all away.
sharon
November 14, 2007 at 5:38 pm
5Why does my comment keep getting discarded? Does Miss Fanny object to the href attribute now?
Okay, I’ll omit that link and just remark that my Rage-O-Meter is already at 11. I can’t even listen to the news on NPR for an hour without screaming at least once.
dee
November 14, 2007 at 5:53 pm
6It’s just your turn this week, sharon.
What’s really scary is if you conducted a survey asking the average American if the military should be socialized, 85% of them would say “No.”
God help us all.
Dave von Ebers
November 14, 2007 at 6:12 pm
7Once again, David Rees hits it out of the park with this strip about mercenaries: “I don’t trust dudes with guns AND moustaches.”
Indeed.
And Adam … who says I’m wearin’ panties, huh?
I mean … not that there’s anything wrong with it.
Boomer
November 14, 2007 at 6:18 pm
8Sharon, maybe you just need more ketchup in your diet. And while we’re talking about it, my Rage-O-Meter only goes up to 10. Where did you buy yours, anyway?
gillian
November 14, 2007 at 6:42 pm
9DvE, you’re right, this page of GYWO is particularly good. 69 is divine.
Oh, and my Rage-O-Meter definitely goes past 10. It may go as high as 69. But maybe not. You’ll have to ask Heather.
Zach
November 14, 2007 at 7:11 pm
10This actually creates a very interesting legal issue that unfortunately no one at the DOJ is capable of appreciating since they’ve all been replaced with fire-worshipping religious zealots.
The question is, what are these private security contractors under the eyes of the law? The State department’s extension of immunity to them might lead us to suggest that they are some type of soldiers, whereupon as agents of the Sovereign they qualify for Sovereign Immunity. But they don’t really seem to work for the Sovereign (unless we ordered them to “shoot everyone, everywhere”).
So we have 2 options for the legal status of these individuals to whom we extended immunity: 1) they are really bad agents of the sovereign, or 2) they are armed, un-uniformed, flying no flag, and fighting,
Under #2, they sound suspicious like “enemy combatants” from a legal standpoint. Talk about send a thief to catch a thief…
hedera
November 14, 2007 at 10:27 pm
11There used to be a word for people who were armed, un-uniformed, flying no flag, and fighting. They were called pirates.
sharon
November 15, 2007 at 6:38 am
12Boomer, I bought it at the same place that Blackwater buys its supplies: Killerz ‘R’ Us
Landis
November 15, 2007 at 11:31 am
13Hedera - Then what do you call the Jolly Roger?
Dave von Ebers
November 15, 2007 at 7:07 pm
14Zach … Bingo! In fact, if any of these jamokes (I think that’s the technical legal term, by the by) gets caught by oh, I dunno, “AQI” or whatever clever acronym the White House is using these days, what’s to stop them “AQI” fellers from saying the Blackwater jamokes aren’t entitled to them, uh, Common Article III protections?
Imagine that … the terrorists goin’ all John Yoo on Blackwater’s ass.
Hmm. Kinda makes ya think, don’t it?
Just Jay
November 15, 2007 at 7:20 pm
15Murray hit on the one aspect of this Blackwater mess that bothers me the most. We now have a very wealthy corporation and a group of very wealthy individuals who have a vested interest in creating failed states and global instability. Cause that’s how they got wealthy and that’s how they can get wealthier. Guess which politicians they’ll support? Perhaps the apparent driving desire on W’s part to start a war with Iran is not driven by Darth Cheny but by the owners and stockholders of Blackwater. We have also created a large army of mercenaries, which is scary.
Jay
Boomer
November 15, 2007 at 7:37 pm
16I’m ready for the debates to require an equal amount of time for all the candidates to respond to the questions. The “media appointed” three wise people on the Democratic side sound good enough. But the other candidates also have well reasoned positions on the issues and they are not getting the same opportunities to speak. Ditto for the Republican debates. Americans deserve a chance to hear all sides before deciding who will next lead us out of the many holes that Bush, Cheney, and the neocons have dug for us. (I guess you know how I spent my evening.) hedera, television does have an occasional brief shining moment.
Vinnie
November 15, 2007 at 8:33 pm
17Yo, Adam, I won’t be comin’ out to LA aftuh all ta help out wit’ da strike. Sorry, pisan, my heart is broke. Dale and I just don’t seem ta be workin’ out. She wants to talk about how “the Spanish Prose Chronicles deservedly superseded the rather monkish Latin Chronicles, just as the Latin Chronicles supplanted the literature of the Moors who ruled Spain during the period of 711 AD to 1492, Moor being the common term to refer to the Muslims of the Islamic Iberian Peninsula and North Africa, who were of Arab or Berber descent….yak, yak, yak!” Me? I just want ta read da sports section in peace. I don’t t’ink we really were communicatin’ dat well anyways ’cause accordin’ to her, I speak the “Detroit patois” an’ when she gets wound up about dose dusty old books of hers, she may as well be speakin’ Trafalmagorian. And I don’t t’ink she un’erstands about me and Guido. Sure we been havin’ some spats da last coupla weeks, but we grew up togedder. We’re family. And we’re Italian, so we spend most of our life shoutin’ at each udder and punchin’ each udder and wavin’ our arms around. Guido’s my cousin and I love him like da’ bruddah I nevuh had. We hug and kiss each udder on da cheek. Dale don’t understan’ dat. I t’ink she t’inks we’re gay an’ dat breaks my heart, too.
Da best t’ing fo’ me ta do is ta go back ta Ibiza and talk t’ings ovuh wit’ Guido. Plus Guido wants ta get anudder tattoo and since I’m goin’ ta have ta look at it f’om now on, I want ta make sure dat’s it’s not Pepe La Pew or Hello Kitty or not’in’ like dat. Keep marchin’ and hide a coupla ball bats in da Manzanitas, just in case. Cioa, buddy.
gillian
November 16, 2007 at 3:35 am
18The up side of being economically challenged is that flying is not really an option.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_ main.html?name=Toles&date=11162007&type=c
sharon
November 16, 2007 at 4:37 am
19I’m done with flying. From now on it’s the train for me. The whole experience has gone from bad to much much worse. I’ll fly only if it’s to go overseas to my secret hiding place in the White Mountains of Crete, but other than that…
Vinnie
November 16, 2007 at 4:48 am
20Yo, Sharon. You like da mountains of Crete? Guido says “Try da beaches!” He’s always droolin’ ’bout da Euro dames gracin’ da shore line.
becca (and brian)
November 16, 2007 at 8:43 am
21Okay, I hate to hijack a thread (wait, who am I kidding), but just had to pass along this link for those who hadn’t seen it yet:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/personal/11/16/flying.spaghettimonster. ap/index.html
Who knew that the flying spaghetti monster would go so mainstream? Now if only the Great Lobster could get on the panel…
b
Pope Pastafarensis I
November 16, 2007 at 9:06 am
22Come in from the blasphemous cold while there is still time, lest you be cast into the Great Peat Bog, only to be cut into blocks and burned in the eternal fires of damnation as low-grade fuel.
Also, bumper sticker of the day: Life is like a corn dog. Don’t ask me why, it just is.
Sharon
November 16, 2007 at 9:14 am
23Yo, Vinnie! Try the south shore of Crete. The north shore is all built up and touristy.
So it comes to this (I’m not even going to try to include the links):
Army Desertion Rate Highest Since 1980
By LOLITA C. BALDOR | Associated Press Writer
11:47 AM EST, November 16, 2007
Suicide Rates Increase Among Iraq And Afghanistan Vets
AP | KIMBERLY HEFLING | November 1, 2007 09:18 AM
Quite a legacy for the deserter-in-chief and Mr. “I had other priorities.”
David
November 16, 2007 at 9:26 am
24I’ve got no quip for this one, Sharon. I knew it, but seeing it in black-and-white simply stops me in my tracks, as it should everyone.
I lost two first cousins to the Korean War, one of whom sank deeply into alcoholism and the other of whom, when he shot what he thought was a North Korean soldier and discovered it was a twelve year old girl, had to be institutionalized.
Pope Benny 16
November 16, 2007 at 1:11 pm
25Pope Pastafarensis I? What ist das all about? Did I die und nobody told me? Did I miss the black smoke? Gott in Himmel!! Pope Pastafarensis ist not really Cardinal Bernard Law, is he? Das would be too much zu handle! Und did Bernie kill me to become Pope? Actually I’m feeling quite good today…well, a little gas…
hedera
November 16, 2007 at 1:29 pm
26Landis, I concede that the Jolly Roger is a flag, but when one says, “Flying no flag” in this context, the implication is, “Flying no flag of a country.”
becca (and brian), maybe it’s coincidence and maybe there’s something really going on, but yesterday I was driving along and realized that the car ahead of me had a Flying Spaghetti Monster sticky on the trunk lid - you know, like a Jesus fish or a Darwin fish, only with noodles. It was quite nice, too, raised, not just a decal. Now that is mainstream.
How do we get one of those for the Great Lobster??
Pope Pasty One
November 16, 2007 at 1:50 pm
27Benny, you are just the chief prelate of a denomination. As the spiritual leader of Pastafarians throughout the universe - all four quadrants - I am the chief prelate of the one true religion, not some sect. So your place in your quarter-universe heirarchy is quite secure, except maybe from Cardinal Law (not that I have special knowledge of the future or anything).
Landis
November 16, 2007 at 2:50 pm
28Dave von Ebers:
I hate to be the one joining our illustrious Waterfowler on this argument, but I don’t think that them AQI fellers would treat our uniformed soldiers or our mercenaries/contractors any better than they are treating the Iraqi civilians.
The argument that we shouldn’t torture prisoners because we wouldn’t want our POWs to be tortured is completely missing the point. I don’t know that Waterfowler and I continue to agree on this point but the reason we shouldn’t torture prisoners is because WE SHOULDN’T TORTURE ANYONE regardless of whether they would do it to us. It’s what is SUPPOSED to make us BETTER!
Dirk's Diary
November 16, 2007 at 7:24 pm
2911-16-07
Dear Diary,
Whew! That was a close call - we almost lost the President today! I’ve never seen him so mad (except for that time that Barney threw up into one of his favorite Tony Lama boots and he didn’t check before putting it on. While we’re at it, what kind of Texan puts on his boots without turning them upside down and shaking them to check for scorpions? Well, W’s not a for real Texan - more like a Connecticut Cowboy or a Nutmeg nut case.). W was mad because he thought a rogue government agency may have gone against his orders, cloned some stems cells, and given them to the Democrats so they could grow themselves a backbone. Bush was hoping to do some mischief with several recess appointments (Sam Fox, John Bolton, Charles Pickering, and Julie Myers.), but Harry Reid decided do a parliamentary procedure that would technically keep the Senate in session. No recess, not recess appointments. Bush nearly had a stroke when he found out.
Since Mukassey was sworn in this week, I’m back to being eighth in the line for secession. Damn!! I was so close lining up the plane crash with the seven in front of me, all on that same plane. The Kempthorne Presidency seems to be doomed before starting. Damn!!!
Dirk
hedera
November 16, 2007 at 9:41 pm
30This has to be a record. Fanny has still not cleared the comment I posted under the “What’s at stake” thread, a week ago. The whole thing is moot now, I’m just checking to see if anyone ever cleans that stuff up.
Dale
November 16, 2007 at 9:52 pm
31My Rage-O-Meter tops out at 4.4 (noticeable annoyance) and switches immediately over to my Sad-O-Meter, which goes to 70 (skipping 69 of course). Does this happen to anyone else?
SeattleDan
November 16, 2007 at 11:17 pm
32All the time, Dale.
Sometimes Incredulous David
November 17, 2007 at 4:50 am
33On a regular basis, although mine is actually an Appalled-O-Meter with the Way-Beyond-The-Pale multiplier option. I have caught the two pausing at 69, but I haven’t yet been able to get a clear explanation from the trouble-shooter program. Wonder what on earth that’s all about.
I’ve ordered the When-Will-America-Get-Its-Collective-Head-Out-Of-Its-Ass Prognosti-Meter.
Zee Man
November 17, 2007 at 5:12 am
34Nope, Dale. Never has.
Vinnie
November 17, 2007 at 6:38 am
35Yo, Dale. I just wanna tell ya dat I made it back ta Ibiza safe an’ sound. Guido was at da airport on time, fuh a change.
I unnerstan’ why ya wanted to spend all dat time practicin’ yer passion fur Spanish. Yup, practice, practice, practice; dat’s how ya get pro-fi-ci-ent (dat’s a good word, Dale, t’anks fuh teachin’ it to me) at yer art. Well, just t’ink about it. Nobody knee-caps bedder dan me! An’ believe me, I wasn’t born wit’ dat kinda talent.
I wanted tell tell ya one more time what a swell dame you are. Ya’ gotta terrific sense of humor, too. T’anks fuh puttin’ up wit’ me and my ways. Guido sez “Hi.”
becca (and brian)
November 17, 2007 at 8:23 am
36Dale-
Absolutely….in an almost paralyzing way. Helpless, paralyzing, frustrating sadness that pegs way above 11.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/opinion/11rich.html?_r=2&n=Top/Opini on/Editorials%20and%20Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists/Frank%20Rich&oref=slogin& oref=slogin
Boomer
November 17, 2007 at 10:14 am
37Ah, Waiter! Waiter! Over here! Yes, here! My friend, becca, would like some more ketchup, please. Thank you.
Good article from Frank Rich. Thanks for the link.
piglet
November 17, 2007 at 12:53 pm
38Man, I don’t know about you guys, but any more these days, when I try to buckle down and read pieces like that excellent Frank Rich op-ed, I find myself suddenly attracted to shiny objects outside the window, or switch to Cute Overload and zone out watching fluffy puppies.
It’s a defense mechanism, I know, and we all need to stay vigilant, I know, but, man, I don’t want to make myself feel even more powerless and angry.
And to top it off, Dennis Dixon tears his ACL and the Ducks’ season is over.
Pass the ketchup.
sharon
November 17, 2007 at 1:37 pm
39I like to chill out with cats who love cheeseburgers, myself.
http://icanhascheezburger.com/
Harold
November 17, 2007 at 4:08 pm
40Whichever candidate can tap into the LOLCats vibe is going to run away with the election.
David
November 17, 2007 at 6:01 pm
41piglet,
I thought of you as soon as I saw the news about Dennis Dixon. Tim Tebow was closing in, and a contest between Dennis and Tim for the Heisman was making for a great story line. I really hated seeing Dennis go down, and your Ducks’ season with him.
If Tim does win, it won’t be the same.
Meanwhile, College of New Jersey 21 - Rennselear Polytechnic Institute 14. GO, LIONS! Also, a tip of the hat to RPI for being the oldest polytechnic institute in America. Any alums out there?
Dave von Ebers
November 17, 2007 at 7:20 pm
42David, like I said over at my place, I hate that damn Rennselear Polytechnic!
Oh, and in case anyone failed to notice …
Illinois 41
Northwestern 22 …
Can you say “sole possession of second place in the Big 10″? I knew you could …
Now, if only Ohio State could somehow finagle itself into the national championship game … we might be talkin’ Rose Bowl.
(Try to imagine my demonic laugh right about now …
Bwhah, hah, hah, hah …)
SeattleDan
November 18, 2007 at 12:39 am
43I know it’s been a tough week, kids. But check this guy out. He knows what’s going on.
David
November 18, 2007 at 5:15 am
44It was a hit here, SeattleDan.
Can’t believe I forgot to say Go, Illini, Dave. I guess I was just so wound up about my Lions. It is still possible for OSU to make it to the BCS championship game. I would love to see the Zooker Gang in the Rose Bowl. If not, I hereby officially bid for your guys versus my Gators.
gregory
November 18, 2007 at 6:06 am
45Here’s a link to a site that is a cross between South Park and jim-jam. Enjoy.
http://www.headzup.tv/wuhzup/index.php
Dirk's Diary
November 18, 2007 at 8:15 am
4611-18-07
Dear Diary,
Today, I literally opened the door to truly creepy weirdness. I was downstairs in the White House looking through the archives for past workarounds of the laws banning drilling in the ANWAR. Cheney’s office has been relentlessly harassing Interior to get rid of the current environmental laws that are hogtying his friends, keeping them from cashing in on all the $100.00/barrel oil business. “What the Hell good is all that anal penetration the military is doing in the Middle-East, if we don’t take advantage of $100 market? What the fuck do you think all that mess in Iraq is about. Freedom? Ha! Come on Dirk, get your ass in gear. Open the frigging oil spigot, you douche bag.” When did Lynn Cheney start working the phones for the Veep?
Anyway, I had to take a whiz after a while, so I went out to look for the restroom. You may not know this, Diary, but the basement of the White House is the “junk room” for every presidency. (And speaking of douche bags, I tripped over a cardboard box as I rounded a corner and out spilled a douche bag from the Garfield Administration. That certainly was unappetizing.) Well, there are boxes everywhere, 3/4 of the light bulbs are broken or burned out, and none of the doors marked. After opening three doors and reliving the hilarity of the Fibber McGee moment, I finally found what looked like the restroom under the North Portico and walked in. Nope. Wrong. It was the Presidential Bowling Alley, the lights were off and candles lined both sides of the alley. An altar was erected in front of the Brunswick Pin Master. Perhaps fifty monks in black hooded robes were kneeling in prayer. Dick Cheney entered from the shadows holding what looked for all the world like the soon-to-be-pardoned Presidential Thanksgiving Turkey. He positioned himself in front of the altar, raised the turkey (as if to offer it to the heavens), lowered it slowly and then bit his head off. Blood and groans from the monks flowed through the room and, me? I got the Hell out, took a leak into the Garfield douche-bag box, placed it back on the stack and left the building. Boise was never that weird, not even with the Democratic legislature was in session.
Dirk
Dave von Ebers
November 18, 2007 at 11:26 am
47Seattle D … You are officially the king of YouTube.
Pope Benny 16
November 18, 2007 at 11:37 am
48Wait ein minute - die Amerikaner have experts on diplomacy? IT’S A MIRACLE!!! Sonovabitch!! The prayer actually worked. But one must asked - “What took so long, anyway?” und “Where have they been keeping these experts, for God’s sake?” Well, forget about that. I’ll have Cardinal Pietro find out their names on the Google. We’ll bring them all here to the Vatican and get to work. This is very good news. Maybe the planet won’t be blown to bits after all… maybe.
David
November 18, 2007 at 3:15 pm
49Before an RPI Engineer scorches my ass, the correct spelling is Rensselaer. I really can remember when I was a reliable speller.
Next opponent for my Lions is Mt. Union College on their home turf in Alliance, Ohio. They are just the defending NCAAIII defending champions, riding a 34-game winning streak, and beat Ithaca in their opener 42-18. A little help here, Benny Sechzehn. My Lions never devoured any Christians, so far as I know.
sharon
November 18, 2007 at 4:27 pm
50I have to confess that the FSM never did grab my imagination, but the Boreded Ceiling Cat is another matter…
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/11/its-national-bible-week -party-down-yall.html
piglet
November 18, 2007 at 5:40 pm
51iz good.
Dale
November 18, 2007 at 5:50 pm
52Vinnie, I´d find the whole ¨justa dumb guy who like-a ta break-a da knees¨ a lot more convincing if I hadn´t overheard you and Guido exchanging pillow talk in Latin. (And don´t think I didn´t see you replacing the hotel mousetraps with the humane kind!) But it´ll be our little secret. Tutto bene, tu sei un perfetto gentiluomo and if I ever get around to having kids, I promise–you will be The Godfather.
Harold
November 18, 2007 at 6:41 pm
53Dale, the “humane” kind of mousetraps are only “humane” if you remember to check them periodically. If you don’t, a week or so after performing their function they become known as “the source of that horrible odor.”
Thank goodness the dollar store near me was selling cinnamon brooms. Ain’t enough Lysol and Oust to get rid of that smell. Note to maufacturers: could you maybe make these things fluorescent orange? The forest green is too easy to overlook when you’re playing the game of “now where the hell did I tuck that no-kill mousetrap?”
Lemuel
November 18, 2007 at 7:12 pm
54Continued from October 14 - Rage Against the Ditto Machine:
There it was! On the final negative (one of the shots I took at an oblique angle as I burned the last few frames of film) you could see the other folds, running at an angle to the normal map folds. I got out my copy of the map and folded it like the negative showed. The mysteriously drawn lines on the map now formed a rough sketch (just like in the movie!) of Dean’s Canyon - still on the ranch but safely outside the security perimeter - with an “X-marks-the-spot” at the base of the third landslide from the entrance. I knew this site well (it was the first place that Rocio and I had unbridled, kinky, tantric, noon day s.., well, I’m sure you’re not interested in that.). I sneaked quietly out the window, grabbed a shovel from the tool shed, and made for the Jeep. Silently pushing the vehicle down the dirt road, I waited until I was near the bottom of the hill - out of sight line from the house - popped the clutch and drove for the canyon. It took four and a half hours of digging around the base of the slide before I hit pay dirt. It was the absolute mother lode of Abramoff graph and corruption and, one would think, a rather large portion of Mr. DeLay’s retirement plan - all in easy to redeem, non-traceable bonds, certificates of deposit and securities. There were even seven of those bundles of shrink-wrapped hundred dollar bills. Mr. Delay is much smarter than he looks (and now, much poorer than he thinks). Using part of this money, Rocio and I had funded our aborted “People’s Revolution” down in Central America. We still had most of the loot stashed in sixteen safety deposit boxes down at Sugar Land Savings and Loan. We emptied one of the boxes into our backpacks, walked out of the bank, caught a cab to the airport, and flew off to a vacation paradise that has always intrigued me.
David
November 19, 2007 at 4:43 am
55Wuz good (and needed) morning chuckle. Thank you, Sharon
Harold
November 19, 2007 at 6:40 am
56Sharon, that’s hysterical. The thing is, when somebody (SeattleTammy?) first posted the LOLinator (was it here, or on Peter’s site?) and I quickly discovered that my site was not one that could BE LOLinated, one of the first things I did was go to catholic.org and LOLinate their online Bible!
Maybe I should find the thing that translates anything into Soop Dogg-speak and run the Bible through that. Fo’ shizzle.
Guido
November 19, 2007 at 11:09 am
57Yo, did ya see where Detroit got voted da Most Dangerous City in da United States? Dey used statistics from the time dat Vinnie and me wuz out on da streets. De last few months we been outta town and should be for da near future. I bet Detroit won’t even be in the top 25 next year. Nice ta know you’ve been missed.
Dave von Ebers
November 19, 2007 at 7:19 pm
58Landis, forgive the delayed reaction, but let me say this: I never, ever said that the only reason torture is bad is because it might happen to our guys. That happens to be one of the main reasons our military objects to torture, and rightly so, but I have never said torture is anything other than an absolute evil; morally unacceptable under any circumstances. Period.
As far as AQI and the like, of course they are unconcerned about quaint things like the Geneva Conventions. That was kinda sorta my point (with a healthy dose of hyperbole). We say that we don’t torture ‘cuz we’re better than the bad guys … then we engage in, um, “harsh interrogation techniques” that look and walk and talk like a duck. Or, like torture, more to the point. We say folks who don’t adhere to the norms of armed conflict - ya know, wear a recognizable uniform, operate under an identifiable flag, adhere to the laws of warfare and whatnot - aren’t entitled to the protections of Common Article III (to quote the Supreme Court — Wrong, wrong, wrong!, or words to that effect; but I digress) … then we send mercenaries into a conflict zone where they do many of the things the “bad guys” do (see above) … but we sure as hell would bleat like stuck pigs if any Blackwater employee was waterboarded or whatever, just the same.
So, anyways, I’m with ya on the whole “torture is wrong” thingy. I just loves me some irony, is all.
Dave von Ebers
November 19, 2007 at 7:20 pm
59Oh, and David … Christians? Mmmm. Tasty.
I mean, I’m just sayin’ …
David
November 19, 2007 at 9:51 pm
60My Lions are going into a den of Mt. Union Whatever-They-
Ares who have outscored their opponents like 596 to 42 (I did a quick sum in my head of the scores of their games). Have we no rules for who can play in Division III?
OK, they’re a private liberal arts college with an undergraduate enrollment of 2300, so they are reasonably Division III, and they sound like a good school. But they are killing their opponents across the board (they’re the Purple Raiders, according to the Google). Mostly they don’t even allow their opponents to score.
Dave von Ebers
November 20, 2007 at 6:58 am
61Purple Raiders? With a name like that, they should receive an automatic bid to the NCAA Div. I basketball tourney every year. Them, and the Costal Carolina Chanticleers. You just can’t have enough Purple Raiders and Chanticleers and whatnot.
By the way, did I really spell “Chanticleers” correctly? According to Word I did. Will wonders never cease.
hedera
November 20, 2007 at 4:50 pm
62Yeah, Dave, but I think you misspelled “coastal”… win some, lose some.
Do the Coastal (I assume) Carolina Chanticleers realize that their team name is also used by a brilliant gay men’s chorus in San Francisco?? I mean brilliant, too - they sing like angels and their male sopranos (not, AFAIK, castrati) have higher vocal ranges than I do…
David
November 20, 2007 at 5:46 pm
63I’m still trying to figure out how one raids a purple. Maybe it was shortened from Purple Panty Raiders. Just wonderin’.
Dave von Ebers
November 20, 2007 at 7:33 pm
64For the record, Word did not pick up the misspelling of “costal.” What’s a “costal” anyway? Is it short for Pentecostal? As in, “Hey, Ma, any of them costals been comin’ ’round sellin’ bibles today?”, or something like that …
Still, the best thing about the NCAA’s is the odd-ball team names. Chanticleers, Purple Aces, Catamounts, Racers, Camels, Spiders, Engineers …
The next best thing, of course, are the great players’ names … anyone remember Fennis Dembo? (Special extra credit points if you can identify the team he played on … without Googling his name.) And how about Guillermo “Panama” Meyers?
Ah, you just can’t make that stuff up.
hedera
November 20, 2007 at 9:35 pm
65I think “costal” has something to do with your ribs - “intercostal” is the space between same…
gregory
November 21, 2007 at 4:48 am
66I can’t believe it, hedera, I finally get to drop this into a conversation - Si vos can lego is , vos have nimium erudio. How do you know that stuff anyway? Oh, yeah, you used to be a librarian, right?
hedera
November 21, 2007 at 5:09 pm
67Yeah, gregory, I used to be a librarian. Never play Trivial Pursuit with a working reference librarian.
David
November 23, 2007 at 12:14 pm
68I do know that it’s the Richmond Spiders and the Western Carolina Catamounts, but you got me on the players. And while only a fool trifles with the repository of knowledge in the possession of a reference librarian, I do like ‘Costals as you used it, Dave,
Dave von Ebers
November 23, 2007 at 6:33 pm
69Fennis Dembo … University of Wyoming … as in “Wyoming? Why not!” Also played for the Detroit Pistons.
And Panama Meyers was Texas Longhorn back in the day. Don’t know that he made it into the NBA, but with a nickname like “Panama,” he should have.
And, of course, the Purple Aces are from the University of Evansville, in Indiana.
Speaking of which (kinda) … where’d Larry Bird go to school and what was the name of his college team?
Dave von Ebers
November 23, 2007 at 6:35 pm
70And the Catamounts are also the name of the University of Vermont’s teams.
David
November 24, 2007 at 5:19 am
71Indiana State? Hah! I was right. But I didn’t know they are the Sycamores. I see ISU started out as a normal school, as did my College of New Jersey.
Guess what UF students had to walk through when the Gainesville campus first opened (after some political shennanigans that kept Lake City from becoming our permanent home).
Dale
November 24, 2007 at 7:38 pm
72Kids, be very nice to David, he has had a very rough day.
Dave von Ebers
November 25, 2007 at 10:51 am
73Condolences, David. Still, it was a heckuva season.
(Then again, don’t listen to me. I’m a Cubs fan.)
David
November 25, 2007 at 1:21 pm
74Thanks, Dave. Reminds me of the first BCS championship game, UF v. Nebraska. I got through that thrashing somehow, and we went on to win it all the next year. Don’t think my Lions can do that next year - I’ll be happy if we’re seeded a bit higher and don’t have to play the semi-pro Mt. Union Purple Raiders (no more cheap quips) until later than round two.
Answer to Awphuk trivia question in #71: a fenced cow pasture. It was still a large open area on the southwest corner of University and 13th (US 441, the highway Tom Petty sings about in one of his songs) north of the administration building and east of the main library when I was there ‘60-’64 & ‘67, but no fence and no cows. Albert the Alligator was, however, still kept in a pen by the Century Tower center campus until two football players decided to wrestle Albert, a modest 6-7 footer, but a strong sob nonethless. They injured Albert, so that was the end of an alligator being able to be in a pen center campus. When the administration tried to discipline the two boneheads, the state legislature (old school southern Democrats who morphed into southern Republicans) passed a resolution making alligator wrestling a 3-credit course at UF. Boneheads exonerating boneheads - ya’ gotta love it.
Dave von Ebers
November 25, 2007 at 7:12 pm
75David … Tom Petty, indeed. FanAp wins the award for 2 TP references in one night.
“Like waves crashing on the beach …”
Yes, indeed.