WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush must seek congressional approval before taking any military action in Iran, unless Tehran attacks the United States first, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Sunday.
“We don’t believe that any authorities that the president has would give him the ability to go in without an act of Congress,” Pelosi told ABC’s “This Week” program.
If you got out your Constitution right now and scanned it top to bottom, left and right, you’d probably find only two things in it that this administration has not violated.
- They haven’t gone to war without seeking Congressional approval.
- They haven’t used any of our private homes for “quartering of soldiers.”
Not that Pelosi isn’t right. Just that perhaps more attention ought to be paid to the tattered 98% of the constitution.
Now if you’ll excuse me… Sarge says we’re out of coffee filters, and the boys are about to wake up.





27 comments
dee
October 15, 2007 at 9:02 am
1Hahahahaha…
Nancy Pelosi talking tough….
Hahahahahah
[Wiping eyes]
Good one.
Fran
October 15, 2007 at 9:59 am
2Does it count as “quartering of soldiers” if we let Lillian’s brother stay with us when he’s on his military training weekends? Naw. That’s voluntary, not mandated.
*sigh*
Poor, sad Constitution.
David
October 15, 2007 at 12:17 pm
3Adam, you mean the 98% in tatters that they are using in the executive bathroom as personal wipes for the “real men” who realize the Constitution is “just a goddamned piece of paper”?
I do wish Nancy Pelosi had dropped the “We don’t believe” in favor of “The deluded powermonger has no such authority, and if he does attack Iran without Congressional authorization, we will impeach his sorry ass.” OK, maybe that’s a bit strong for the Speaker of the House, but it damned sure is not unjustified.
Fran, just so long as you are not drawing and quartering Lillian’s brother, you’re ok. Wish he had a different Commander-in-Chief, say, oh, I don’t know, maybe the guy who actually won in 2000. Our soldiers are good people. Our president, on the other hand…
sharon
October 15, 2007 at 4:15 pm
4Pelosi also decreed that henceforth the Sun shall rise in the west and set in the east. That’s about how effective these pronouncements are since impeachment was taken “off the table.” I’m sure I disagree with most of Ron Paul’s stands, but damn if the man isn’t right about this one.
cooper
October 15, 2007 at 6:02 pm
5Sharon, I have to echo your sentiments about Ron Paul. If he were to lay out his whole campaign platform, we would no doubt go “Eeeeeeeww!!!”. And he’s also right about Iraq. We’re losing soldiers so Bush can save face.
In other good news-bad news news, the bad - while my son was backing my car out of his parking space at church, he ran into a dumpster. (My car!!!!!). A huge yipping dumpster, for Christ sake! I’ve told him dozens of times not to just use the mirrors; it’s better to swivel in your seat and actually look back at where you’re going. Of course, correcting your dear child’s driving technique usually gets you the “EAT FLAMING DEATH, ASSHOLE!!!!!” look from your darling offspring. Who cares? You correct him anyway, but obviously dozens of times weren’t enough. Are you taking notes, Adam? Just remember from infancy to about the age of 12 are the good years.
The good news is that he passed his Court of Review and America now has another Eagle Scout. Wahoo!!
Dave von Ebers
October 15, 2007 at 6:19 pm
6Adam, I hate to pick nits (or, as they said in my favorite movie, “Let’s not bicker and argue about who killed who …”), but I’d take issue over the first point.
The Constitution says only Congress can declare war. This notion of granting some open-ended “authorization” to go to use military force without a specific declaration of war is highly questionable from a constitutional point of view, particularly when the President alone (in the case of Iraq) was given the power to determine whether sufficient justification existed to exercise the “authority” without further Congressional involvement. Nothing in the language of Article I, Section 8 says Congress can delegate that power to the President. Even the War Powers Act (which is no substitute for the Constitution itself) requires the President to go to Congress to ask for authority to use force, and it’s Congress, not the President, which decides whether sufficient justification exists for using force in a particular set of circumstances.
In the Iraq situation, the AUMF was given without Congress even making a determination that the use of force was justified; rather, Congress said the President was authorized to use force if he - and he alone - determined it was appropriate. That’s not a minor deviation from what the Constitution and the War Powers Act require; it’s a wholesale abrogation of Congress’ powers - and it’s responsibility - under Article I, Section 8.
And just because the President and a cowardly majority of Congress said it was okay, that don’t make it so.
(That, in case Mitt Romney is interested, is what his lawyers oughta tell him when he asks ‘em whether he can go to war with Iran … that is, if his lawyers wanna abide by that oath to uphold ‘n defend th’ Constitution ‘n stuff.)
Dave von Ebers
October 15, 2007 at 6:20 pm
7Dang typo … it was supposed to read, “This notion of granting some open-ended ‘authorization’ to use military force …”
I hate Mondays.
gillian
October 15, 2007 at 6:23 pm
8Another nice weekend excursion into the Northeast Kingdom! And I stand corrected, the leaves were both fluorescent and iridescent. The apple cider wasn’t too bad, either, but there was too much of it. Oh, my head is still throbbing.
This one’s fun. Enjoy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/toles_ main.html?name=Toles&date=10152007&type=c
Boomer
October 16, 2007 at 3:42 am
9I hope, for your sake, the boys’ mothers taught them to always wipe their feet before entering the house, Adam; oh, and to put the seat down, Jeanne.
dee
October 16, 2007 at 6:41 am
10cooper — congrats on the Eagle Scout. What would really be funny would be if his service project was getting the church recycling program organized and he d arranged for a big yipping dumpster for the cardboard.
waterfowler
October 16, 2007 at 7:19 am
11Congratulations, Mr. Coop. & little Coop. America can always use more Eagle Scouts. Salute!
Ann
October 16, 2007 at 9:47 am
12But Cooper, my dad always said I should learn to rely on my mirrors instead of looking over my shoulder! I’m so confused.
hedera
October 16, 2007 at 12:34 pm
13Many congratulations to the cooper family on the new Eagle Scout!
But frankly, cooper, if the dumpster was that big, he SHOULD have been able to see it in the mirrors! It’s always a good idea to engage the brain before putting the car in gear…
Gary
October 16, 2007 at 1:01 pm
14Absolutely true Dave but what Adam wrote was that Bushco *sought* congressional approval — not that the blank check congress wrote him would actually pass a constitutional test.
Reminds me of the old campaign slogan ‘Bush/Cheney, In Your Heart You Know They’re Technically Correct’… (actually they gave up even trying to pretend to be technically correct some time ago).
sharon
October 16, 2007 at 5:26 pm
15Congratulations to the new Eagle Scout!
True confession. I didn’t learn to drive until I was 21. Before that I lived in places with adequate public transportation. Then I moved to CT. While I was still a fairly new, inexperienced driver, my then-boyfriend let me drive his 1963(?) Volvo P1800, on which he had done much body work. It was a beautiful Pontiac metallic blue. I backed it into a pole. Not a big telephone pole. Just a small parking lot sign type of pole. He was a very patient man and took it pretty well, but it was a painful Learning Experience for me. Even now.
The headrests on my Subaru are a little too high for me, but I’ll strain my neck to look behind me when I back up. I don’t trust the mirrors to not have blind spots.
David
October 16, 2007 at 5:57 pm
16sharon, a Volvo P1800? Way cool car, and sounds like an ok then-boyfriend.
cooper, in addition to congrats on the Eagle Scout (Let the eagle soar, dumpsters and all?), a little proxy blogwhoring: go to hedera’s blogspot and read and react to her commentary on inadvertently watching NASCAR at the fitness center.
dee
October 17, 2007 at 3:43 am
17David — I think if you direct us to someone else’s blog, that’s blog pimping, not blog whoring.
Dave von Ebers
October 17, 2007 at 6:34 am
18Quite right, Gary, and I’m not really taking issue with what Adam wrote; it just galls me beyond belief that people think these inane resolutions comply with the Constitution and the War Powers Act. (And by “people” I mean Bush supporters, members of Congress, media idiots who parrot whatever the administration says, etc. …) It’s particularly galling, since it seems likely that the administration will ask for another “authorization” with respect to Iran sometime before his criminal enterprise, er, I mean “term of office” runs out …
Since at least the Nixon administration, the Republican Party has been trying to invert the Constitution, to take away powers that are vested in Congress and somehow transfer them to the President (line item veto, anyone?). But it doesn’t take a legal scholar to see that virtually all the powers of the federal government belong to Congress. Aside from the veto power, the power to make certain judicial and executive appointments and the power to enter into treaties (the latter two, of course, being subject to the Senate’s approval), the President’s job is to enforce the laws Congress passes.
And, of course, with the Bush II administration in particular, their desire to stand the Constitution on its head reaches its most absurd extreme when it comes to these mythical “war powers” that the President supposedly possesses. (Or, my favorite term … “inherent powers.” Oooooh, sounds important don’t it?)
Hey, I got yer inherent powers right here.
Oddly, though, Congress seems to lack the will or the ability to put these idiots in their place.
David
October 17, 2007 at 4:53 pm
19dee, what would the appropriate cyber-costume be? Just askin’. I would not want not to be a well dressed blog pimp. Since I’m pimping for hedera, it does need to speak of intelligence, articulateness, and a very engaging style of storytelling.
Dave von Ebers
October 17, 2007 at 5:27 pm
20David, as you rattled of that litany of characteristics, I almost expected you to say “fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope …”.
God, it’s scary to think I still remember Monty Python skits verbatim.
gillian
October 17, 2007 at 5:33 pm
21Hey, guys. Did you hear that Lynn Cheney, doing some geneology work for her new book, discovered that Dick Cheney and Barack Obama are first cousins 8 or 9 times removed? Life is strange.
Also on the humor front… http://www.workingassetsblog.com/2007/10/rightwing_bloggers.html
dee
October 18, 2007 at 4:30 am
22Every time I come back to this I keep reading the title as “The Mighty Thud” Which is not a bad description, either. I wish I knew who has the pictures of Nancy Pelosi smoking weed with her lesbian lover in Havana, because that’s the only thing I can think of that’s keeping her from lighting the fire under congress to assume its rightful Constitutional role.
Dave von Ebers
October 18, 2007 at 6:04 am
23Dee - Amen to that.
However, if anybody comes up with those pictures of the Speaker, I got dibs on chairing the “Draft Nancy Pelosi For President” Committee.
David
October 18, 2007 at 7:42 pm
24FA is even better through the vision tinting of a bottle of Three Philosphers, a Belgian ale my sister left here. It apparently has more alcohol than your average brew.
Dve, so how would the folks who costumed MONTY PYTHON AND THE FLYING CIRCUS costume a blog pimp? I gotta know.
dee, what do you think the real motivation for illegal wiretapping, which Cheney/Bush was hot for before 9/11 was all about? It seems reasonable to me to assume that these good folks have out J. Edgared J. Edgar. And why are their panties in such a twist over Larry Craig? They thought J. Edgar was the second coming, for Lobster’s sake.
This link from NEWSWEEK was forwarded to me, and I must say I think Christopher Dickey is onto something here:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/53461/page/1
Damn, no more Three Philosphers in the fridge.
David
October 18, 2007 at 7:45 pm
25I meant HOLY GRAIL, of course. Still got Alexandra Pelosi’s book on my somewhat de-inhibited brain.
hedera
October 20, 2007 at 9:05 pm
26David, you’d better be careful how complimentary you are about my blog, or I may begin to get the insane notion that I can write…
cooper must not be reading here, though, as I haven’t seen him on the NASCAR post yet.
David
October 21, 2007 at 4:24 pm
27Either cooper is being a slacker or I am a failure as a blog pimp.
Insane notions aren’t necessarily.