I hope you’re all enjoying the testimony of America’s favorite general and the aptly-named Ambassador Crocker. I wanted to give you all some fresh paper to discuss it.
One thing that this testimony really underscores is that there are only two options in Iraq: 1) Staying the course, or 2) abandoning the Iraqis to Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, and Mordor.
Time and again, crazy options like increased internationalization, a “diplomatic surge,” and talking to some of the currently hostile neighbors… are being swept under the table. We’re sort of doing that already! Kind of! The pile of seemingly reasonable ideas must be up to general’s knees by now. That can’t be comfortable.





27 comments
Murray
September 10, 2007 at 12:50 pm
1With out the false dilemma, W’s arguments are too easily seen through by even the most eager to believe idiot. No sense in giving a real alternative when a genuinely stupid wrong one can be poised.
You are either with us or against us.
If we don’t fight them there we will have to fight them here.
Zeke
September 10, 2007 at 1:17 pm
2I want to get our troops out of Iraq as much as the next guy, but if Mordor’s truly in the mix, maybe we should hang for a while. And now, back to the shadows again.
ginny
September 10, 2007 at 5:57 pm
3Finally, an explanation for why we’re surging in Iraq and kind of keeping quiet about what we’re doing in Afghanistan.
The Fellowship of the Willing is keeping the Enemy’s eye on them while Frodo and Sam walk all the way to Afghanistan, where they must destroy the One Beard by “painting” it so the Eagles can home in on it.
It all makes perfect sense now, Adam, thanks!
False Dilemma
September 11, 2007 at 5:47 am
4Without me, Mr. President, Vice President, and Merry Band of Neocons, you would have had to face the actual problems and sane solutions out there in the reality-based world. You’re welcome, Team Bush. You’re also up Feces Creek without a tool for directing thrust from your persons to the water in which your Canoe of State is currently adrift. Yes, that is the sound of formidable rapids, and no, the good general cannot rescue you. Pity you chose to take an entire Middle Eastern nation with you. But at least you are continuing to give me a spotlight job to do, this time with those Pesky Persians.
It's Pat!
September 11, 2007 at 6:21 am
5I think the critical question, Pogo, is who am us? Why is there the need to fight here or there? Is it economic or is it philosophical? Somebody smart has to answer these questions now so we can start figuring out how to get out of this quagmire.
nick
September 11, 2007 at 2:06 pm
6The current goal of our military and political leadership regarding Iraq is to waste time until George W leaves office so he doesn’t have to preside over the (mildly to greatly) unpleasant task of withdrawing troops from Iraq.
First there was the Iraq study group earlier this year. We waited for months for the Study Group’s Report.
But then when it finally we came it was sort of a let down because all it did was explain the situation in Iraq which was not really that much of a secret.
Fortunately, out of the Study Group we got a new funny word ’surge’ and, more importantly - a new thing to start waiting for: the September Surge Progress Report!
Now, what I am hearing from this report is that we now get to wait until March for the NEXT Surge Progress report.
I hope that by next March (a good 6 months away) someone can come up with something more original than just ANOTHER surge progress report as the next thing we wait for …
… as our excuse for waiting until January 2009 when a new president is innaugurated who will have to deal with the unpleasant but necessary task of withdrawing troups from Iraq.
(unless of course, by then, Uncle Dick manages to involve us in a much bigger military conflagration with Iran or Syria or anyone really - and it doesn’t even need to be all that planned - you have all those different soldiers, all those different people, all those guns, all those different allegiances, you know something can happen. Remember the Maine!)
Dirk's Diary
September 11, 2007 at 5:50 pm
79-11-07
Dear Diary,
Things are looking pretty dark in DC these days. Cheney is having another one of his Grand mal depressions and won’t come out of the bunker. Larry Craig just will not go away. And with everyone else occupied Bush is taking charge of choosing a new Attorney General when Gonzo leaves next Monday. He first called Harriet Miers, but she screamed hideous obscenities into the phone and hung up on him. I think the magic may be out of that relationship.
Anyway, I was walking by the Oval Office today and I heard what I took to be W talking to himself. “Laurence Silberman; (thump) Ow!!; yes. George Terwilliger III; (thump) Ow!!!; no. Ted Olson; (thump) Ow!! yes.”
I stepped into the Oval Office. “Hey, Cowboy (my new nickname). Sit down, I’m choosing my next Attorney General. I got this list of candidates that Clarence Thomas gave me and I’m going through it and deciding which ones will stay on the list and which will go. It’s really neat - I saw this on “Gomer Pyle” last week. You choose someone’s name and then you take your first two fingers and whack them down hard on the desk. If your pointer finger hurts the worst, the answer is “yes”; if your gig finger hurts the worst, the answer is “no”. Gomer used this method to pass his test for Officer’s Training School. If it’s good enough for Gomer, it’s good enough for me.”
“Larry Thompson; (thump) Ow!!, yes… Oh good! I’m glad he’s still in the running. I want to see those Democrat senators say “No” to a negro. Heh heh.”
Yes, sad times, indeed.
Dirk
David
September 11, 2007 at 7:51 pm
8Thought for the day, which I lifted from Tom Engelhardt’s latest TomGram:
“To grasp the Petraeus moment, you really have to re-imagine official Washington as a set of drunks behind the wheels of so many SUVs tearing down a well-populated city avenue — and all of them are on their cell phones. They hardly notice the bodies bouncing off the fenders. For them, the world is Washington-centered; all interests that matter are American ones. Nothing else exists, not really. Think of this as a form of imperial autism and the Petraeus moment as the way in which the White House and official Washington have, for a brief time, blotted out the world.”
SeattleDan
September 11, 2007 at 8:09 pm
9David, that sums it up pretty neatly. Though it does remind me of my morning drive to downtown Seattle, taking the Mrs. to work. Cellphones… can we drive and not talk? Please. Two hands on the wheel, at ten o’clock and three o’clock, the way Lobster meant it to be.
R. Nader
September 11, 2007 at 10:40 pm
10Actually SeattleDan, since the introduction if the airbag, the recommended hand placement is eight o’clock and four o’clock. This produces fewer dislocated shoulders when the airbags inflate.
So…should I run for President again? What do you think? Honest to God, I really think I can win this time.
Crudely Cynical David
September 12, 2007 at 6:34 am
11All of his protestations of independence [what a pathetic joke] aside, it seems to me that Petraeus is not only this war’s William Westmoreland but also this administration’s Monica Lewinsky, especially since by Team Bush’s prescription everyone serves at [and for] the pleasure of the President. I guess the only question is whether Petraeus, while on bended knee, was in front of or behind the President, and quite honestly I think the latter is truly reprehensible, while the former would just be suggestive of a particular orientation, so strike the Lewinsky image in favor of good old-fashioned subjugation of one’s intellectual honesty and integrity to one’s subservience to professional ego and tunnel vision. Or perhaps, in a paraphrase of a line from a Joan Baez song, one should ask, How can someone so smart be so goddamned dumb?
Compulsive Reader David
September 12, 2007 at 7:39 am
12This link from Talking Points Memo to an NYT article re Iraqi responses to Petraeus’s report:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/world/middleeast/12reax.html?_r=1&hp &oref=slogin
What I think it reveals is just how disastrous a conundrum Bush created for the US military and US foreign policy. As Robert Fisk said at the beginning of this Anglo-American military aggression, “The United States must leave Iraq but it can’t leave Iraq.”
To echo Laurel and Hardy, this is a fine mess you’ve gotten us into, George.
Dave von Ebers
September 12, 2007 at 10:08 am
13That Petraeus feller’s good. See, he’s all about th’ nuance. It’s not just that al Qaeda over there in Iraq; no, it’s also “other extremists” with “Taliban-like ideologies …”
Not to be confused with the real al Qaeda, over there in that Pakistan … or the real, um, Taliban … y’know, th’ one in Afghanistan …
Course, he runs the risk of people askin’ questions like, what about Osama bin Laden and the Taliban, anyways?? And by that, of course, I mean people might ask those questions, as opposed to, I dunno, the people’s elected representatives. ’Cuz God forbid they should upset poor li’l Gen. Petraeus. (Cue “One Tin Soldier.”)
(By the way, on “Mythbusters” they dispelled that whole air-bags’ll-take-yer-arms-off canard. So, 10:00 and 2:00 are as safe as ever …)
Ann
September 12, 2007 at 11:34 am
14Listened to McCain on Diane Rehm show last night. When a caller challenged Petraeus’s independence, all McCain could do was wax indignant that anyone could question the honor of someone who had served in the military so long, dedicated to the country, injured in the service,* could have taken a higher-paying job, yadda yadda yadda. Is there such a thing as an ad hominem defense?
I wanted Diane to call him on it. “Could be making more money” doesn’t seem like a legitimate response.
*Accidentally by his own men, as it turns out.
Mike Z
September 12, 2007 at 1:32 pm
15At least they’ve gotten the Mordor orcs to turn against the Uruk-Hai in Angmar province.
(sorry, that was pretty serious nerd humor).
R. Nader
September 12, 2007 at 3:00 pm
16Look, you don’t have to explain Tolkien humor to me, buster. I got it! Mom was reading The Hobbit to me when I was 3 years old - that’s 10 years ago in dog years.
Mythbusters? Oh, Puh-lease! You’re going to believe a couple of anti-social geeks with double dollops of Aspergers? Trust me on this one - it’s 8 o’clock and 4 o’clock! I know it’s awkward, but you’ll get used to it and your rotator cuff will thank me.
So…. where’s the ground swell of love here? Should I run for President? Huh? Huh?
gillian
September 12, 2007 at 3:27 pm
17I do not watch very much TV at all. Really. But I do admit to taking a bit of decadent pleasure from The Ellen DeGeneres Show. Daniel Radcliffe was on not long ago and, I must say that for a boy, he shows some really promising talents.
waterfowler
September 12, 2007 at 3:58 pm
18Mr. Cooper, please take some of this rain.
I didn’t come up w/ this, but I’ve got to pass it on. “Did Hsu attempt Arkancide?”
dee
September 12, 2007 at 4:21 pm
19I’ll take some of that rain, wf. I just bought 12 hosta plants on sale and I’m going to need dynamite to get them into the ground any time soon.
Perhaps the WWDTM crew will bring some with them when they show up for a taping tomorrow night. Roy, Mo and Kyrie are the panelists. Adam. of course, is soooooooo busy writing for Real Time that he can’t be bothered to visit us here in the heart of the Triad. No more Maker’s Mark for you, buster, so don’t go askin’ Emily if there is.
Dave von Ebers
September 12, 2007 at 4:45 pm
20Tolkien humor, eh? I always was partial to that Bored of the Rings myself:
Legolam stopped and spit in it wistfully. “It is the [River] Spumoni,” he explained, “beloved of the Elves. Drink not of it – it causes cavities.”
Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.
Dave von Ebers
September 12, 2007 at 4:47 pm
21Oh, and Nader … don’t diss the ’Busters, man. They totally rawk.
So says my eleven-year-old.
SeattleDan
September 12, 2007 at 5:09 pm
22I always liked the line from ‘Bored…’, “It was pity that stayed his hand. Pity I ran out of bullets.”
cooper
September 12, 2007 at 5:35 pm
23Mr. waterfowler, I’ll take some of that rain, starting next Monday. I’m off to the coast for the weekend and it’s really not worth the drive, if we wind up just sitting in the room the whole time.
No, I’m thinking Arkancide is usually self-inflicted, isn’t it?
Dave von Ebers
September 12, 2007 at 5:52 pm
24Ah, yes, Seattle D … that’s a fine line indeed.
Elf maiden
September 12, 2007 at 6:31 pm
25Ohh, hairy toes!
It's Pat!
September 13, 2007 at 4:53 am
26And those Cheese Blintzes were to die for.
CentCom Consensus
September 13, 2007 at 5:12 am
27And the answer to the question about the good Gen. Betrayus:
“Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be ‘an ass-kissing little chickenshit’ and added, ‘I hate people like that,’ the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.”