Q: So I’ve been looking into this Bill Richardson guy…
A: Yeah, nice guy. Great V.P. material, no doubt. Hey, did you know he’s Hispanic?
Q: Yes, yes I knew that. But what about him for President?
A: Oh, no. That’s not going to happen. Great guy, though.
Q: He seems pretty okay. Why isn’t it going to happen?
A: What? Oh, tons of reasons. Tons. Trust us, he’s not the guy.
Q: Why not?
A: Why not!? Well, for one, he’s too conservative.
Q: Really? He seems like a champion of alternative power, medical marijuana, and-
A: Right. See, that’s the other reason. He’s too liberal.
Q: Honestly? He seems to get along with everyone, he ’s a tax-cutter, and -
A: Listen, there are a lot of reasons. Honestly.
Q: Also, he seems to be really well-spoken, likable, informed, and he’s got a great diplomatic track record at a time when this country desperately needs a diplomat. I just think -
A: Shut UP!
Q: Why? I have to say, it seems like you’re relying on cynical “in crowd” dynamics and perceived “electability” rather than giving every candidate a fair shake. We’ve still got a year and a half until -
A: Listen!!! He’s NOT THE GUY. He’s got too much baggage. He’s not sexy. He smells funny. His shoes are terrible. He’s been diagnosed with acute cooties twice. He’s not the right man for the job. Trust me, Bill Richardson is not Presidential material. Forget it. Vote for Hillary. Obama. Not this no-account, two-bit, ultra-conservative, left-wing, scandal-tainted doofus. Just don’t do it.
Q: But if he’s nominated for Vice President?
A: Oh yes. A great choice. Fine man. Hey, did you know he’s Hispanic?





44 comments
Fran
May 21, 2007 at 1:01 pm
1Oh my goodness! Did you know I’m from New Mexico? No, why would you. But I’ve been watching Richardson. One of the reasons I suspect he’s a good man for the job is because one of my good friends - with whom I can discuss ANYTHING except politics; we’re completely opposite - truly loathes Richardson, which is a pretty darned good endorsement for me!
Something like Bob, Bobby, Bobaroo
May 21, 2007 at 1:15 pm
2You know, I heard him on the Diane Rehm show a while ago. And I really wanted to like him. However he came off as a bit of a simpleton in my opinion, and my concern is that he’s the Democratic party’s own version George W. Bush (although not *that* stupid).
Here’s the link in case you’d like to listen:
http://wwww.wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/07.php
I’ve been meaning to re-listen to it for many months now, wondering if I would have a different opinion the second time around.
me
May 21, 2007 at 2:30 pm
3Yup, that’s about right. I say he’s the lead in a new wave of libertarian Democrats (and well-qualified beyond that). Right now, though, nobody knows what to do with him, just that he’s not sexy enough.
David
May 21, 2007 at 3:51 pm
4Fuck the insiders, fuck the pundits, fuck the consultants, fuck the odds-makers, and fuck the handicappers. Also, fuck the RNC. Just choose the best fucking person for the job, and then mount the smartest fucking campaign in the history of this grand fucking muddle called American democracy.
I love that word.
LeRoy Mambeaux
May 21, 2007 at 4:11 pm
5David, that reminds me; he speaks French!
Ann
May 21, 2007 at 4:58 pm
6Wow, David—what a great strategy! Why do I think that’s not going to happen?
dee
May 21, 2007 at 4:59 pm
7Oh sure, like we’re going to give the nomination to some governor of a mid-size state who may very well be the smartest guy running but doesn’t have any name recognition.
Oh.
Well, even if he wins the nomination, he can’t win the presidency.
Oh.
Damn, I need a yard sign.
YLlama
May 21, 2007 at 5:19 pm
8I’m actually less impressed with Richardson than I am with the current governor of the next state over: Janet Napolitano. But I certainly agree with “me” that libertarian Democrats (especially those from non-coastal Western states) make for more interesting candidates that no one seems to want to talk about seriously.
A. Franken
May 21, 2007 at 5:28 pm
9“Why Not Me?”
piglet
May 21, 2007 at 6:08 pm
10If you want to win, maybe you should ask these questions:
How tall is he?
How does he look in a cowboy hat?
SeattleDan
May 21, 2007 at 7:35 pm
11David, how come you weren’t a consultant to the Kerry campaign? A vulnerable incumbent there for the taking, and all his advisors screwed the Senator from here to Ohio.
I wish I had something clever to say about Richardson. To me, he looks very capable, a good administrator, a guy with ideas. All very un-sexy qualities. But he’d probably make a very fine President. That he’s not TV handsome, and probably has a snowball’s chance in Hell of getting the nomination, is an indictment of our “American Idol” culture.
I’m reminded of a rumored story I heard about Johnny Carson, he of blessed memory. The story goes that Carson said he couldn’t vote for McGovern because George sounded too much like Liberace. If we all voted based on those kind of perceptions, well, hell, we could end up electing George W. Bush. Twice. And we shouldn’t let that happen.
Dale
May 21, 2007 at 9:11 pm
12David: An insider, maybe. A pundit, if he was cute and single. But the RNC? I´d rather die first.
(Back to topic–who trusts a guy who went to Tufts?)
Ken
May 22, 2007 at 4:21 am
13This is an excellent piece, Adam. Thanks!
Murray
May 22, 2007 at 6:47 am
14I’m not sure who gets to choose who is electable or not, but they sure have all of the power till their guy get voted down. In every primary viable candidates are dismissed off hand with the label “unelectable” with out there ever being an election to find out if they are or not.
I know that the media are eager to pile on and not buck any trends but some one has to start things by saying that a person is either “unelectable” or a “hot new rising star”. I still wonder who that is.
When I listen to each of the democratic nominees, I like him (her) and think, this is the person I want. Then I hear the next and think the same thing. Each has an aspect that I like and each has a problem I don’t. I will eventually settle on one, but each is an infinite amount better then the current bozo.
Harold
May 22, 2007 at 7:01 am
15Dale, you answered Ann’s question. “Why do I think that’s not going to happen?” Because NOBODY would want to fuck the RNC. I suppose they could go fuck themselves. Yes. That’s what they should do.
I saw a five-minute profile of Bill Richardson on CNN and thought “Yes, why not?” Which I think means I should put more thought into this. But Richardson has been active and visible for many, many years - I know his face from a thousand appearances on TV. But any member of the Democratic lineup is preferable to the flat-Earthers on the Repugnicant team.
Mike Z
May 22, 2007 at 8:08 am
16YLlama–
I totally agree with you about the AZ governor Janet Napolitano. She really is impressive — good speaker, down-to-earth yet well informed, very very smart. And she’s a democrat in a red state (though that’s not unusual for AZ governors). I actually think she would have a better chance at being the first female president than Sen. Clinton. Anyway, I would actually feel good about voting for her. When I hear her interviewed I always think “Why the hell aren’t more politicians like that?”
David
May 22, 2007 at 4:34 pm
17Seattle Dan,
I wish to Lobster I had had John Kerry’s ear, not because I’m a political whiz kid, but because it was fucking obvious to everyone but his fucking advisers that the advice he was getting was shit. Interestingly, he wanted to strike back at the Swift Boaters immediately, and with a vengeance, but his advisers -
damned their sorry eyes - talked him out of it. Any good Southerner (and any good soul from any other part of the country - but my experience is Southern) would have said Hell yes, cut their fucking nuts off right now, and use a hot, dull knife, and while you’re at it, link the motherfuckers unequivocally to that sorry-assed pseudo-Texan who was appointed to his job by a partisan Supreme Court. And Kerry had legitimate answers to the questions about his war votes that he failed miserably to articulate with forceful conviction. I kept waiting for the John Kerry of 1973, the one who articulated irrefutable, engaging, essential truth with compelling conviction, goddammit.
I did a lot of screaming over the moronic tactical blunders of the Kerry campaign, which needed a hard-nosed Southerner and Vinnie in its inner circle.
Dale,
Point well taken.
Jim (OJNTNJ)
May 22, 2007 at 4:47 pm
18David,
While I wholeheartedly I agree with you, I hesitate to consider what Angry David’s take on the situation was.;-)
David
May 22, 2007 at 5:06 pm
19Jim (OJNTNJ),
Angry David’s take definitely was. Meanwhile, interesting commentary by Scott Paul at the Washington Note:
“Richardson’s ideas may lack the grassrootsy populism of Edwards’s, the boldness of Kucinich’s, or the worldly sophistication of Obama’s, but they are very well thought out. His foreign policy is clear-headed and coherent, and his energy policy is uniquely on point.
Richardson recognizes the impacts of oil dependence on foreign policy, the humanitarian and geopolitical consequences of climate change, and he avoids the farcical notion that the U.S. can somehow cut itself off from the global energy marketplace.
There’s a lot more to like about Richardson’s energy plan, too. Specifically:
I think we need the same sort of strong and focused diplomacy with friend and foe to adapt our foreign policy to the global nature of energy.
As he lays it out, the plan involves drastically cutting oil consumption, enhancing Western hemispheric energy cooperation, and setting up a multilateral system to protect the Persian Gulf in the post-oil economy in place of an American troop presence.
Oh, and he delivered his energy speech at an oil and gas conference, a nice plus.
I’m still digesting some of the specifics, but the broad brushstrokes of Bill Richardson’s energy policy are notably different. Sure, distracting political slogans like “energy independence” pop up here and there. Fortunately - and this is rare, the slogans are worked into the policy, not vice versa.
Many candidates have discussed in vague terms integrating energy policy with foreign policy. Here’s hoping they follow Richardson’s lead.”
gillian
May 22, 2007 at 5:16 pm
20Uh-oh, I hope the RNC doesn’t get wind of this.
Zee Man
May 22, 2007 at 5:27 pm
21Hi, guys. It goes with out saying, but Chris Regan is writing some excellent comedy at his “This Day in Mythstory” blog. If you haven’t been by in a while, go have a look. http://mythstory.net/
David
May 22, 2007 at 5:50 pm
22Zee Ma, thanks for the reminder (and the link). gillian, somehow wind, especially mule wind (a special nod to Dave Newell and his wonderful book IF NOTHIN DON’T HAPPEN) and the RNC just go together.
Off topic (oh, what the hell?) - an intriguing analysis of why Bush hasn’t been impeached that goes to the heart of tribal American embrace of war and warrior kings (and in the case of the Brits, warrior queens):http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/22/1362/
David
May 22, 2007 at 5:52 pm
23Did the link not work? One last try.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/22/1362/
siobhan
May 22, 2007 at 8:46 pm
24Did I ever mention that I love Keith Knight’s K Chronicles?
waterfowler
May 22, 2007 at 9:27 pm
25http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/07/think.html.
Libertarian? He’s part of Clinton, Inc. Hillary’s veep, if he behaves…
waterfowler
May 22, 2007 at 9:44 pm
26David, settle down. Where does the aclu stand on this immigration bill? or on illegal immigration in general?
waterfowler
May 22, 2007 at 11:26 pm
27This is a long read, but a must for you thinkers. http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-news/?p=510
I pray for our grandchildren, when they are asked of these devils, “are you a Christian?”.
Harold
May 23, 2007 at 5:29 am
28Waterfowler, either there was something wrong with your link, or the linked article has been taken down.
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The requested URL /articles-news/ was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
siobhan
May 23, 2007 at 8:44 am
29Fowler, I usually talk birds with you (safe topic) but I gotta ask: As a conservative, what do you make of this administration? I know your stance on some issues, and that you don’t like Dems because you think that they’re wrong on those issues.
I don’t know if you’re one of the 30% who still support the Bush et al, or if you’re one of the growing group who are still Republicans but don’t like ‘em. I really, honestly can’t understand why conservatives aren’t screaming even louder than Dems to dump these guys. They’re destroying so many things our nation stands for, and it seems like they’re going to destroy the Republican party in the process. Why don’t more conservatives want to reign them in? (not trying to be snarky, just really want to understand - hope I’m not putting you too much on the spot.)
waterfowler
May 23, 2007 at 10:25 am
30Sorry Harold, try http://www.melaniephillips.com and go to Liberalism vs. Islamism. Also, try http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/ and then his latest column for the other one. I don’t know why they don’t work, but they are both still up.
Siobhan, I counted 17 squirrels @ the feeders last night. We obviously had a bumper crop this year. Along w/ a dozen cardinals and a mess of dove. As far as W., I’d like to choke him about now. I believe he is a man of faith and thinks what he’s doing is right. But, I think we have different reasons for not liking him. The first time I doubted him was about a week after 9/11. For some reason Arafat, Saddam, Iran, & Saudi Arabia were all still intact. Next Fallujah is still standing and Sadr’s mosque has yet to be razed. I always tell the little rednecks “Do it or don’t”, you can’t half-ass it and play nice in a war. Now immigration. One of my best friends & fishing partners is from El Paso. Most of his extended family is in Mexico. He’s an architect and a flaming lib Dem. He doesn’t like the current proposal because it is too harsh. I think it sucks because we don’t first enforce the laws we have and deport ‘em by the millions. I think conservatives are just ready for W. to leave. He had our support for his faith, but he never really was a conservative. Just more so than the alternatives.
David
May 23, 2007 at 2:04 pm
31We’re talking a pretty complex issue here, waterfowler. Don’t actually know where the ACLU stands on this issue. I’m working on where I stand, but I know it’s different from that of a friend of four decades who grew up in El Paso and has been back living there for many years. My starting point is that we are all immigrants, and I am the descendant on both sides of immigrants who did not have permission from the native Americans to come here, take their land, drive them into reservations or kill them wholesale, eradicate the buffalo on whom they depended for survival, etc., etc. My goal is to try to figure out the most humane, reasonably workable way to deal with this issue.
Regarding this mythical threat from Islamists whom you seem to think have the capacity and desire to occupy the United States and establish a caliphate, as do a couple of my relatives, sheeesh. The United States is currently the big gun when it comes to occupying by force and attempting to establish a petro-caliphate on foreign soil. Your children are in about as much danger of being subjugated by Islamists as we were of being subjugated by the Soviets, which is nil/nada/zilch.
Terrorists attacks are real, including those perpetrated by our own CIA and that bozo in Miami whom we are essentially protecting. But they can be stopped by competent intelligence and law enforcement. And trashing the Constitution is not a requirement to stop terrorist attacks. Good relations with the Muslim world, which was overwhelmingly shocked and appalled by 9/11, is, as is ending the occupation of Iraq.
cooper
May 23, 2007 at 3:41 pm
32I heard on NPR today that Bill Richardson’s poll numbers in Iowa have gone from .0001% to 10% recently (4th place). Those crusty & contrarian Mid-Westerners are just trying to prove Adam wrong, I guess. Ann, being a native, you could probably explain to us rubes exactly how that that sort of thinking goes - or is it just a knee-jerk desire to befuddle the rest of us?
siobhan
May 23, 2007 at 5:53 pm
33Fowler, thanks for answering.
When you’re up to it, it would be interesting to get your take on Gonzales. That whole situation (going back to the “quaint” Geneva conventions and continuing through the current troubles) seems to embody everything most at odds with what we stand for as a nation.
waterfowler
May 23, 2007 at 7:06 pm
34Frankly, it doesn’t matter what Gonzales did. I think he’s an incompetent lackey, but, he’d be a target just for being a minority & Republican. Kinda like Clarence Thomas. I’d agree w/ you to take ‘em all down, if you’d agree to get rid of the Dem. criminals like Reid, Pelosi, Fienstein, Clinton…but we can’t go there, can we?
siobhan
May 23, 2007 at 8:46 pm
35Actually, despite the fact that I oppose Thomas on pretty much everything, I don’t think he’s criminal so he’s not a target for me.
I didn’t like Ashcroft either, so I’m pretty sure that the Latino aspect has nothing to do with my dislike of Gonzo. (And when Ashcroft represents the voice of reason, you know we’re sunk.)
You’re picking on my local “San Francisco Liberal” dems there so I might be biased, but I don’t think they’re actually criminal. You probably have the same visceral reaction to them that I have to Inhofe, Boehner, et al. I don’t think any of them are in the same class as Gonzales.
I’m not keen on incompetence, but I wouldn’t feel this way if that was all he was guilty of. I only get riled up like this when I see someone actively working to undermine the constitution.
As for Hil - The wingnuts think we lefties love her, but that is a misconception. Opposing her keeps y’all busy, so that’s okay.
waterfowler
May 24, 2007 at 8:01 am
36I’m all for capitalism, but when Fienstein enriches herself w/ military contracts that she had a say in & Pelosi likes the min. wage increase, except for a company in her district… The hypocrisy of such things just makes it hard for sane people to have honest discussions. If my guys are all criminals and yours are all saints, we’ll never get to a solution on anything. Hillary: billling records? Reid: sweet land deal? Jefferson: money in the freezer?
While you lefties talk a good game on civil liberties now, where were you during Waco & Ruby Ridge?
Nick
May 24, 2007 at 9:58 am
37waterfowler, the supposed exemption in the minimum wage bill for Starkist Tuna is a complete and utter fabrication by the right-wing noise machine. Read the text of the bill. http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h2_eh.xml The words “Samoa” and “Starkist” do not appear *once*. Nobody inserted *anything* to give Samoa an exemption.
Instead, the bill *does* include an explicit non-exemption for the Northern Mariana islands. Why would they be singled out? Google “Tom DeLay” and “Mariana Islands” and figure it out for yourself.
The “but your side is corrupt, too” argument is weak enough as it is, but try to at least find examples that hold water.
siobhan
May 24, 2007 at 10:05 am
38I don’t know what to do about Jefferson since his constituents were stupid enough to re-elect him (I made a contribution to his opponent via Act Blue). At least they kept him from the committee leadership positions that he wanted, but he’s still a disgrace to the party.
waterfowler
May 24, 2007 at 10:37 am
39Try again Nick.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070110-112625-6437r.htm
Landis
May 24, 2007 at 12:20 pm
40Waterfowler - you don’t trust the NY Times to be completely balanced, I assume. So you should grant us that we may not trust the Washington Times either.
I’m not expert on this, but the only people that I’ve seen reporting this are people with axes to grind against Rep. Pelosi (conservative lawmakers and pundits). The law that was passed (as linked above by Nick in post 37) increases the Federal minimum wage for every location covered in the current law and adds the US territory of the Northern Mariana Islands (which wasn’t previously covered and giving it a bit more time to catch up since the current wage is so low there now).
There is no mention in there about an exception for American Samoa. But the Federal minimum wage currently in effect already includes American Samoa (linky to 29 USC 206a1). The current law does include different standards for Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands (29 USC 206a2), and American Samoa (29 USC 206a3).
But unless Pelosi and/or the Democrats specifically rejected amendments adding American Samoa to the “Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007″ the current crop of comments saying that she is personally responsible for exempting one company based in her district is utterly fallacious. Bottom line: Rep Pelosi and/or the Democrats did not “exempt American Samoa” from the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007.
Of course it’s far easier to be completely misleading and picking and choosing what you have to say when you are pushing an anti-anyone agenda than it is to actually read any of the laws and figure out what is really going on.
Ann
May 24, 2007 at 8:40 pm
41Wait, I’m still stuck on WF’s choosing a president based on what someone says about his religious faith—not even on what he does! As we saw with Carter, religious ideals do not a good president make, and Bush already had an abysmal record as a failure in everything he touched. But by golly he said he was a Christian!
And they think the liberals are naive.
SeattleDan
May 24, 2007 at 9:18 pm
42Well, I love Lobster whole-heartedly. Maybe I should make a run…But we haven’t heard from Adam yet. Does he plan another attempt at the Chief Executive spot? Is that why he’s being so secretive? I’m willing to serve as running mate, but as memory serves, that maybe is Mr. Sagal’s position.
Nick
May 24, 2007 at 10:48 pm
43Holy crap…. given a choice between reading a Washington Times article on the bill, and the ACTUAL BILL…. for some reason, I mistakenly chose the one that wouldn’t give me the appropriate libelous take. I know I’m a newcomer to this blog, but gosh, I’m clearly way out of my league here.
Murray
May 25, 2007 at 5:55 am
44That’ll teach you Nick.
Good luck trying to talk reason with WF. I’m babysitting an 8th grade class right now and I’ve learned it’s a waste of my breath to argue with them either.