Let’s examine what we’ve got here…
- A nation with artificial borders, created by foreigners.
- A sharp sectarian divide with a history of actual war between the sects.
- Relentless conflict, horrifying terrorism, intractable foes.
- Heavily armed militias, car bombs, the slaughter of innocents.
- A heavy-handed and sometimes brutal foreign power trying to maintain peace while stirring up more war.
- Children being raised in the heat of these battles, losing loved ones, creating a new generation of combatants.
… and, quite possibly, it’s all over now.
I’m sure I’m not the first to point this out, and I shouldn’t be the last.
When I was a kid, Ireland was the problem that wasn’t going to go away in my lifetime (well, that and disco). Communism might fall, but the tragedy of Ireland was that too much blood had been shed, the various factions were too intractable, fanaticism and revenge too strong as motivators. The leaders of the various factions were terrorists, evil, filthy, crazy-eyed terrorists, and the idea of ever negotiating with any of them or their organizations was unthinkable - you’d be talking to people with blood on their hands and violent friends, people who couldn’t be trusted, leopards don’t change their spots, and besides, what kind of precedent are we setting fo-
Whatever. With luck, all that is now over.
It’s been a long process. And backsliding can always happen when you’re trying to change habits - just ask every dog I’ve ever owned (after he’s done hanging his head in shame he might mutter some sort of confession regarding a suspicious spot on the rug)(for that matter, I myself occasionally have to make confessions about certain spots on the rug…). But one thing that’s really encouraging is that it now seems unthinkable that a solution in Ireland was ever unthinkable.
There are differences between Ireland and Iraq. Sure. I don’t think the Iraqis have learned how to make a decent whiskey, for example, and that’s a problem, culturally. But some of the differences are linguistic. Our President attributes everything that’s going on in Baghdad as the product of “an ideology of hate.” I’d rather think of it as “very religious people with a political gripe.” Address the gripe, even partially, and the absolutism tends to disappear. Suddenly clerics discover room for tolerance previously hidden in the holy texts, and God doesn’t seem to thirst for heathen blood as much as He used to and instead starts talking a lot more about sending thine children to a decent college…
Iraq’s harder. I don’t know how we’re gonna solve this one. But it CAN be solved. One hint though - remember that gigantic military surge in Ireland that stifled the violence and forced the population to lay down their arms and start talking in peaceful terms?
Me neither.





38 comments
Boomer
May 10, 2007 at 12:17 pm
1Iraqi whiskey may be problematic, but now their hashish…
Sharon
May 10, 2007 at 12:31 pm
2Inasmuch as all political boundaries are artifical, and that we have had own Civil War (aka the War of Northern Aggression to you Southerners) which some people have not yet forgotten, at first I thought you were talking about the U.S.
cooper
May 10, 2007 at 1:03 pm
3The War of Northern Aggression? Forgetaboutit.
(Angry) David
May 10, 2007 at 4:57 pm
4Adam is talking about the US, only 150 years or so after the dumbest goddamned war of the 19th century, to be followed by even dumber wars in the 20th century (although unavoidable once all the idiot machinations had set those World Idiocies in motion), to be followed by Welcome to the 21st century and the dumbest goddamned foreign policy fuck up in American history.
Shantih, shantih, shantih.
Sidenote: Iraq was apparently on its way to a secular democracy before the US (and France, and probably Britain) decided Saddam Hussein was a good idea.
Zee Man
May 10, 2007 at 5:16 pm
5All my friends (okay, two of them - oh wait, that is all of my friends), say that I’m all about fun. So have at it!
http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war64.html
another Matt
May 10, 2007 at 5:22 pm
6I’d forgotten about all those car bombs during the Civil War.
cooper
May 10, 2007 at 5:54 pm
7“(God) starts talking a lot more about sending thine children to a decent college…”
God, your timing is impeccable! Okay, we’ll be needing about 17 grand a year. Electronic transfer works for me, but we need it by July. Thanks, God.
Your pal, cooper
cooper
May 10, 2007 at 6:33 pm
8Oh, and God, that’s 17 grand for the next four years. And I don’t have to tell You that post graduate tuition at a decent university is ungodly. Oops! I guess I meant to say “expensive”. Heh, heh. Listen, God, all those snarky and tasteless cracks I’ve been making about You for the past 35 years or so - well, You know me. I’m such a comedian. I’ve always known You have a terrific sense of humor and a kind and forgiving way about You. And since You’re being so generous here - a little tip from me. Whoever Your publicist was during the writing of the Old Testament, he should be crucified! You really came off a little harsh; he should have been all over that.
God
May 11, 2007 at 3:58 am
9cooper, all requests for funding bound to an arbitrary timeline will be vetoed.
2/3rds of the people
May 11, 2007 at 4:54 am
10Sorry, God. We´re with Cooper on this one.
The Other Third
May 11, 2007 at 5:34 am
11What’s on cable tonight? I like that Larry the Cable Guy - he’s so funny!
Mars Loathing David
May 11, 2007 at 5:35 am
12Somewhat different technology, Another Matt, but same overall idiocy of war, which is never civil. Main difference is that we didn’t need an outside power to inject the context for our buddy Mars. We also didn’t have an outside power obsessed with our resources but botching every aspect of an occupation and still refusing to leave. But you’re right - no car bombs, and except for some barbaric home guard units, no neighborly carnage. And Atlanta, which was spared ieds and the like, got levelled in a proper, officially sanctioned way, as did Dresden in what was a war that probably didn’t have to be but ultimately did have to be fought.
Off-topic David
May 11, 2007 at 6:33 am
13The oldest known star:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20070511/sc_space/ancientstarnearlyasold astheuniverse
It's Pat!
May 11, 2007 at 9:18 am
14Actually, I think there are many more similarities than there are differences between all of these wars/conflicts. Probably the biggest ones are the drive for power and resources obviously. Borderlines of nation/states do not matter. We humans drape religion or culture over them and act as if that’s the primary cause of conflict, but greed is what makes the world go boom.
George
May 11, 2007 at 3:38 pm
15Well-put, Pat.
siobhan
May 11, 2007 at 3:57 pm
16I’m ready for some peace.
Not that I wasn’t before, but I just got back from many days in the Chiricahua Mtns in SE Arizona. I looked at birds, trees, sky and rocks. This frog (me) noticed that the water was heating up and got out of my pot. I hadn’t realized what a tolerance I’d built up for all of the ongoing litany from Iraq. Coming back to news again is… hard.
cooper
May 11, 2007 at 6:37 pm
17My seventeen year old niece stopped by tonight in the middle of her Bipolar tour of the United States. We scooped her up and re-united her with her parents. Not the most stress free evening, let me tell you. My daughter is similarly blessed, but responding well to medication. Actually, Alyson was most helpful in resolving the situation, but in a rather atypical way. Maybe she’s crazy like a fox. When my brother came by, I stressed counseling - for the whole family. Please. Time will tell.
waterfowler
May 11, 2007 at 8:18 pm
18Mr. Coop, I hope the “whole family” includes you. Since my oldest just got a ‘teen in his age, you’re behind me on my prayer list. Good Luck.
another Matt
May 11, 2007 at 8:27 pm
19Sent two kids off to prom tonight. Thank Lobster they seem under control . . . .
t.a. barnhart
May 11, 2007 at 9:40 pm
20no, N. Ireland was harder. a tiny country and Britain will never let go of the north. iraqis have been killing each other for a few years; the Irish had decades of just this latest “troubles” and centuries before it. but between the indigent Peace movement (which won the Nobel Peace Prize) and the active intervention of Pres Clinton, it happened. if anyone wants to believe in miracles, then N. Ireland stands proof. as bad as iraq seems, it’s a cakewalk compared to peace in N. Ireland.
cooper
May 12, 2007 at 12:37 pm
21touche’, Mr. Fowler.
Good luck with the next decade or so. My mother-in-law gave us a little wall hanging that says “Raising a teenager is like nailing Jello to a tree.” I know, it doesn’t make any sense, but neither does the teenager much of the time. BTW, wf, I hope using that Frenchie word didn’t make your skin crawl.
your pal, cooper
me
May 12, 2007 at 9:28 pm
22Sure, but my worry is that 9/11 and terrorism suddenly becoming a whole lot less sexy in the western world was a significant factor in putting Ireland on the path to now. Which raises the question — what might devalue terrorism in the Middle East? A functioning non-oil economy wouldn’t hurt, maybe…
David
May 12, 2007 at 9:56 pm
23It would be a major step, me, hopefully preceded by the end of this energy-imperialist occupation of a host population which mostly wishes to hell we would go home, especially since we failed to provide civil order after we destroyed the existing civil order and opened the door for the worst, most lethal forces in Iraq. While we cannot leave with honor (not really), the most decent thing we could do at this point is to apologize and leave. Hard to say, hard to contemplate, but here we are.
siobhan
May 13, 2007 at 6:36 am
24Happy Mothers Day.
Sigh.
David
May 13, 2007 at 6:57 am
25The Devil’s Dictionary of War in Iraq, a compelling analysis of language, this war, and reality by Tom Englehardt:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=186766
David
May 13, 2007 at 7:00 am
26And will next year, and the next, and the next, siobhan, if the global petro-hadists have their way.
Ann
May 13, 2007 at 9:56 am
27Cooper,
A dear friend is managing her BPD quite well, although it’s a matter of constant vigilance for her. The support of family and friends is a big help.
Saint Padraig
May 13, 2007 at 1:30 pm
28P’ace in Ireland? It’s ’bout fookin’ time, don’ ya t’ink?
cooper
May 13, 2007 at 5:16 pm
29Thanks for the good thoughts, Ann. Alyson is moving back in with us in about a week or so. This is good for many reasons, chief among these is getting away from the loser boyfriend and all his slacker and quasi-criminal friends. I mean that in a good way, of course.
Part of the difficulty she’s having is that most of her friends are also Bipolar and sometimes the group energy feeds on itself and is not always a positive thing. I’m sure she’s going to feel her style a bit cramped with old Dad and Mom, no doubt asking too many probing questions and making unappreciated observations and comments “for her own good”. I’ll try to behave, I really will.
hedera
May 13, 2007 at 8:26 pm
30David, what a devastating analysis. If we never mention it, it must not be a problem? Don’t we, surely, have enough evidence to impeach these people on the grounds that, being completely out of touch with the real world, they are unfit for office?? Actually the voice that echoes in my head right now doesn’t belong to Ambrose Bierce - it belongs to George Orwell… “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia”…
David
May 14, 2007 at 5:23 am
31Colin Powell’s former chief of staff Col. Larry Wilkerson raised impeachment on an NPR interview. While I would have impeached them for complicity in the outing of a CIA operative, the drive for impeachment does seem to stem from the fact that they are completely of touch with reality and need to be stopped before they do any more harm. Perhaps the biggest stumbling block is that while people no longer approve of Bush or Cheney, they also cannot face directly their own complicity in keeping them in power, and so prefer to just let them “fade away” without any dramatic reminders of just who they are and what they’ve done. People have already demonstrated their ability to refuse to face directly the realities in Iraq, instead wishing that that deadly debacle would just go away. It’s as if people think this is all somehow like a bad case of the flu.
David
May 14, 2007 at 5:38 am
32cooper,
I tried to make a useful comment about BPD because one of my cousins suffers from severe BPD, but it didn’t seem particularly useful, except to say that it was when the family finally found a very capable doctor who was able to find the correct dosages of the correct medications that my cousin was able to at least function rather than have to be physically constrained. She is also now able to interact, although fleetingly, on a very simple basis. The most amazing change is that she now has sufficient recognition of the actual world to do things like help with the dishes. Compared to her life before these drugs in their most effective doses, this has to stand as one of the shining moments for skilled conventional medicine. All the best to you in your particular circumstance.
Ann
May 14, 2007 at 10:52 am
33Wow, BPD really runs the gamut, doesn’t it! My friend is absolutely brilliant, very successful in her profession, charming and fun-loving. She just has to have her dosages adjusted occasionally to help her maintain some equilibrium. It can be done.
David
May 15, 2007 at 6:43 pm
34Ann,
Too many things were done incorrectly for too many decades, and too many things that needed to be done didn’t happen until rather recently. I’m not sure that a comprehensive analysis can even be put together at this point, but a gifted doctor and some wonderful medications sure turned a nightmare into a manageable situation. Gold stars to everyone who recognizes the situation early on and gets capable medical help for anyone with any degree of BPD.
Ann
May 17, 2007 at 5:56 pm
35David, are you sure you’re not talking about schizophrenia?
David
May 18, 2007 at 1:47 pm
36Ann,
I got to thinking about it and decided to ask the other day. The general diagnosis is paranoid schizophrenia. I was going to Google BPD to see if her symptoms fit. One problem is that my afflicted cousin had electric shock treatment 40 years ago, then nearly four decades of desperate confinement by the family until a younger member of the family was finally in a position to do some research and talk to some people who steered her to the physician who worked what at this point borders on a miracle. It used to be a real nightmare. Thank Lobster for those meds and that medical artist.
SeattleDan
May 18, 2007 at 9:58 pm
37BPD is treatable. Schizophrenia, or at least some forms,are not. My neighbor’s son, a good kid, nice guy, came down with it in his late teens. I’ve noticed that over the years, that, at least for now, untreatable schizophrenia is terrible. In the days I wanted to be a novelist, I was going to write about an affair I had with a young (and I was young, too) schizophrenic woman. They see things we don’t. Sometimes it’s a real vision. Sometimes it’s delusion.
David
May 19, 2007 at 6:19 pm
38My cousin’s schizophrenia is not even remotely curable. The blessing is that she is now functional in very basic ways and does not require physical restraint. Her behavior before the meds was comparable to what one sees in movies that include the Bethlehem Hospital of a few centuries back in London. But the cousin I knew and played with in my childhood is gone forever. Her reponses are mostly one word, and her conversations are usually with some inanimate object. I don’t know what she is seeing in those moments.
When the mind departs, it simply departs. Unfortunately, she is most often unhappy, but now in a subdued way. She does have moments when she smiles. She always responds with her odd smile whenever I visit the family, in part I think because I make it a point to go to her and ask how she is. I always take her hand. She spent 40 years with people avoiding her, mainly because she was mostly wildly incoherent and had to be kept in her room. Thank Lobster one more time for those meds and that medical artist.