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	<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/</link>
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24699</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 23:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Tyrannical, dammit.  What is it with laptop keyboards and spelling?</description>
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24690</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>waterfowler,

I'll say this one last time and then I'll let it go.  When I was a youngster in the 50s, it was necessary to crush the head of the fetus of my Aunt Fay's last pregnancy because the alternative was for my aunt to die in childbirth and leave five children without a mother.  I do not know what was wrong with the fetus, except that it had an enormous head.  No one is still alive who can tell me exactly what the reason was, but this Supreme Court ruling that does not make an exception for the health (or in this case life) of the mother is insufferably tyrranical.  If you would choose to have your wife die in childbirth, fine.  Just don't celebrate the imposition of that requirement on people who do not share your religious ideology.  It is genuinely un-American.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ll say this one last time and then I&#8217;ll let it go.  When I was a youngster in the 50s, it was necessary to crush the head of the fetus of my Aunt Fay&#8217;s last pregnancy because the alternative was for my aunt to die in childbirth and leave five children without a mother.  I do not know what was wrong with the fetus, except that it had an enormous head.  No one is still alive who can tell me exactly what the reason was, but this Supreme Court ruling that does not make an exception for the health (or in this case life) of the mother is insufferably tyrranical.  If you would choose to have your wife die in childbirth, fine.  Just don&#8217;t celebrate the imposition of that requirement on people who do not share your religious ideology.  It is genuinely un-American.
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		<title>by: Murray</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24676</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In a tragedy like this, people want someone to take the blame. In other words they want something that can be prevented in the future. Random, crazy people doing something catastrophic doesn't fit the picture. So then we have to blame the school, mental health professionals, police, parents, fellow students, ANYTHING so that we can prevent it from happening again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a tragedy like this, people want someone to take the blame. In other words they want something that can be prevented in the future. Random, crazy people doing something catastrophic doesn&#8217;t fit the picture. So then we have to blame the school, mental health professionals, police, parents, fellow students, ANYTHING so that we can prevent it from happening again.
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		<title>by: Mel in Vermont</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24673</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In my pastoral corner of Vermont, a guy shot and killed his beloved wife of decades while she slept.  He was suffering a blackout caused by a brain tumor.  Predictably, the right wingers are howling about "personal responsibility."  

My heart goes out to Cho's parents.  When you don't know who else to blame, it always seems to fall on the mother, eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my pastoral corner of Vermont, a guy shot and killed his beloved wife of decades while she slept.  He was suffering a blackout caused by a brain tumor.  Predictably, the right wingers are howling about &#8220;personal responsibility.&#8221;  </p>
<p>My heart goes out to Cho&#8217;s parents.  When you don&#8217;t know who else to blame, it always seems to fall on the mother, eventually.
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		<title>by: waterfowler</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24659</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Stephen, I only have shotguns and as far as I know, they've never thought about shooting anybody. I've thought about maybe getting a concealed carry license, but my thoughts on handguns are pretty close to Lynard Skynard's "Sat. Nite Special".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I only have shotguns and as far as I know, they&#8217;ve never thought about shooting anybody. I&#8217;ve thought about maybe getting a concealed carry license, but my thoughts on handguns are pretty close to Lynard Skynard&#8217;s &#8220;Sat. Nite Special&#8221;.
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		<title>by: Doc Nagel</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24651</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Adam reminds us that random shootings are just that. Retrospectively, we can interpret in whatever way we like, and it's as unsurprising that those interpretations mainly boil down to self re-affirmations of preconceptions as it is surprising that a shooting takes place. 

It may seem a little ghoulish, but one way I like to discuss events like this with philosophy students is to ask them whether the reason they haven't committed a massacre today is that there's a law against it, or that they don't happen to have a gun with them today. It makes vivid just how out of the range of ordinary life the shooting is. 

To get really dangerously close to overintellectualizing, this shooting truly is in a very important way meaningless - it's an event that, not being there and involved, I can't fit into my lived experience. There's a boundary between my lived experience and the lived experience of someone who has gone "batshit," and although we can try to translate the experience of being batshit, something is necessarily (and thankfully) lost in translation. 

So instead, we get a media spectacle - not for shock value, but as shock treatment. Does it serve to hide our embarassment that human beings occasionally go batshit? Or that we can't understand them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam reminds us that random shootings are just that. Retrospectively, we can interpret in whatever way we like, and it&#8217;s as unsurprising that those interpretations mainly boil down to self re-affirmations of preconceptions as it is surprising that a shooting takes place. </p>
<p>It may seem a little ghoulish, but one way I like to discuss events like this with philosophy students is to ask them whether the reason they haven&#8217;t committed a massacre today is that there&#8217;s a law against it, or that they don&#8217;t happen to have a gun with them today. It makes vivid just how out of the range of ordinary life the shooting is. </p>
<p>To get really dangerously close to overintellectualizing, this shooting truly is in a very important way meaningless - it&#8217;s an event that, not being there and involved, I can&#8217;t fit into my lived experience. There&#8217;s a boundary between my lived experience and the lived experience of someone who has gone &#8220;batshit,&#8221; and although we can try to translate the experience of being batshit, something is necessarily (and thankfully) lost in translation. </p>
<p>So instead, we get a media spectacle - not for shock value, but as shock treatment. Does it serve to hide our embarassment that human beings occasionally go batshit? Or that we can&#8217;t understand them?
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		<title>by: Murray</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24650</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Seeing the video made by Cho Seung-Hui lets you know that this guy was truly insane. 

One editorial this morning said that the combination of misogyny and homophobia in men who feel inadequate is often released in violence. It's their way of proving that they are men.

Crazy people do crazy things, and until they do, it is impossible to do much about it. There was a kid in the school I work in most who scared several teachers, occasionally talked about a gun and you could see that he had the potential to do damage. What do you do? He never did anything. There were warning signs but no action.  

If guns were as unavailable as they are in England or Japan the violence would have to be expressed in other ways. But getting to that point would be next to impossible. On the other hand how many hunters need a tripod mount, grenade launcher, magazine with 15 rounds and a silencer to kill deer? (The assault rifle ban prohibits any gun with MORE than one of these).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing the video made by Cho Seung-Hui lets you know that this guy was truly insane. </p>
<p>One editorial this morning said that the combination of misogyny and homophobia in men who feel inadequate is often released in violence. It&#8217;s their way of proving that they are men.</p>
<p>Crazy people do crazy things, and until they do, it is impossible to do much about it. There was a kid in the school I work in most who scared several teachers, occasionally talked about a gun and you could see that he had the potential to do damage. What do you do? He never did anything. There were warning signs but no action.  </p>
<p>If guns were as unavailable as they are in England or Japan the violence would have to be expressed in other ways. But getting to that point would be next to impossible. On the other hand how many hunters need a tripod mount, grenade launcher, magazine with 15 rounds and a silencer to kill deer? (The assault rifle ban prohibits any gun with MORE than one of these).
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		<title>by: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24649</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You know I'm not opposed to guns in general, I know several people who like to hunt, including WF, but do we really need to sell assault weapons?  WF, do you own anything besides hunting rifles? Why do we need to sell weapons like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I&#8217;m not opposed to guns in general, I know several people who like to hunt, including WF, but do we really need to sell assault weapons?  WF, do you own anything besides hunting rifles? Why do we need to sell weapons like that?
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		<title>by: hedera</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24644</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>From the &lt;i&gt;Tao Teh Ching&lt;/i&gt;:

&lt;blockquote cite="Tao Teh Ching"&gt; The death of a multitude is cause for mourning.  Conduct your triumph as a funeral.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<blockquote cite="Tao Teh Ching"><p> The death of a multitude is cause for mourning.  Conduct your triumph as a funeral.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: SeattleDan</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2007/04/18/odds-and-ends/#comment-24642</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But on the Right, they are drawing lessons. Very werid lessons. http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2007/04/michelle-malkin-is-dangerous-idiot.html

This isn't the only one coming from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But on the Right, they are drawing lessons. Very werid lessons. <a href="http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2007/04/michelle-malkin-is-dangerous-idiot.html" rel="nofollow">http://the-reaction.blogspot.com/2007/04/michelle-malkin-is-dangerous- idiot.html</a></p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the only one coming from them.
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