With only 26 more righteous outrage days left until Christmas, what appears to have been the first volley in this year’s Defense of the Holiday has been fired by Bill Donahue, the head of the Catholic League. He’s the one who is always standing shoulder to shoulder with Evangelicals on nearly every political issue, ignoring the fact that Evangelicals think his religion is at best, barely-Christian, and at worse, a Pagan Cult of Mary-Lovin’.
Donahue and his organization, whose stated mission is to defend “the right of Catholics – lay and clergy alike – to participate in American public life without defamation or discrimination” (I can’t tell you how many times my own Catholicism has earned me a blast from The Man’s water cannon) – ran a paid advertisement in the New York Times the other day in the Op Ed pages entitled Celebrate Diversity: Celebrate Christmas. The text of this ad is here:
A few highlights:
“…96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas. So why do we have to tippy toe around the religious meaning of Christmas every December?”
Well, for one thing, have you noticed the way the “true meaning of Christmas” drags A Charlie Brown Christmas to a screeching halt? Man, when Linus snaps his fingers, and the lights of the auditorium go down, that’s as good a time as any to hit the fridge or bathroom.
“There is something sick about Friendship Trees, Winter Solstice Concerts, Holiday Parades, and Holly Day Festivals.”
Indeed…”sick.” These things are so sick and disturbed that Cardinal Bernard Law might cover up for these celebrations and shift them to a different parish. Way to see the forest for the Friendship Tree, Bill!
“Diversity means respect for the traditions and heritages of all groups, not just those who have been cherry-picked by the multi-cultural gurus.”
Certainly a valid point. And I think “multi-cultural gurus” is a much more musical name for “Jews” too.
Here’s where it gets really good.
“To be excluded is normal. Mother’s Day, Father’s Day, Veteran’s Day, Black History Month, Gay Pride Parades—they all exclude someone.”
Good, it’s normal! When the massive media and cultural juggernaut that is Black History month slams against our shores every February, I will know not to feel too bad. Now it won’t hurt so much when I walk into Wal Mart and one of the greeters bellows “HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH!” to me. I always feel so left out, I run right over to Wal Mart’s Dashiki aisle and stock up.
But here is my favorite part:
“The Olympic Games are a showcase of segregation – men are barred from women’s sports – yet not even radical feminists call it sexist.”
Where on Earth is this one coming from? Sounds to me that one Christmas morning, a young Bill Donahue was given a field hockey stick and plaid skirt from Santa, and was still forced by his school to play Lacrosse. (Still, “radical feminists” is much more musical than “Lezzies.”)
Merry Christmas, everyone. I won’t be hurt if you don’t say it back to me. I’ll just view it as “cultural rationing” in the “War on Christmas.”





104 comments
Hanna
November 29, 2006 at 10:20 pm
1And a happy Lunar New Year to you. Woof! Woof!
Love,
Hanna
Hanna
November 29, 2006 at 10:22 pm
2I mean, Oink.
Love,
Hanna
cooper
November 29, 2006 at 11:24 pm
3Re: Black History Month - my next door neighbor (who is black) and I were talking across the fence a few days ago and Black History Month came up in the conversation. He said that at times he feels that BHM is a bit oppressive, what with all the new history you have to retain from each day of each February of each year, but it could be worse. “At least we picked the shortest month.” Amen and amen.
siobhan
November 30, 2006 at 4:51 am
4The point about exclusion is off by 180 degrees. As he says, it is normal to be excluded. However, he wants forced inclusion in the Christianity of late December. (Of course, he’s not so inclusive that he’d offer us communion if we went to a Christmas mass service.)
tim
November 30, 2006 at 6:23 am
5I just want to know how one goes about preparing to be a Professional Lunatic. Are there night classes? Does the University of Phoenix have an on-line degree program? It looks like a very lucrative job. And all you have to do is make up some organization that is “affiliated” with a real organization, declare yourself the president of it, and write 1,000 crazy words every so often, which apparently any paper will print in the interest of “journalistic fairness”.
I myself am working on attaining the presidency of The League of Presidents of Religious Leagues, which I just made up. If anybody says anything bad about any Religious League Presidents anywhere, I’ll be e-mailing my column to the NY Times. Hey, Chris Regan and this so-called “tim”, who do you think you are? Pretty soon, I’ll be on Scarborough County!
Holly H.
November 30, 2006 at 6:51 am
6Given that Black History Month shares February with the marketing force that is Valentine’s Day, they really only get the last half of the month. It’s more like Black History Payperiod. If I had melanin, I’d be livid.
Erik
November 30, 2006 at 7:10 am
7You know, I think we’re missing a very important point that Bill Donahue makes: Mother’s Day excludes products of spontaneous creation and a number of robots. I think we should do something about that.
David
November 30, 2006 at 7:14 am
8Kinga Shinnen a month early, Hanna.
It oughta be Black History Payback Period, Holly, but in my experience black southerners are less vengeful than white southerners, so we have things like the Zora Neale Hurston festival.
Social Hegemony Is To Help Elevate And Defend Sacredess?
David
November 30, 2006 at 7:22 am
9Fanny finally got me, I think. At any rate, membership is now open for: Social Hegemony Is To Help Elevate And Defend Sacredess.
ginny
November 30, 2006 at 7:42 am
10Right on, Siobhan. Forced inclusion is at least as bad, if not worse, than exclusion.
For those unclear on the niceties (or not-niceties) of Christian subsets, Catholics believe that only a confirmed Catholic can receive communion, while others (Episcopalians pretty much, Lutherans I think, and other Protestants) think any baptised person can receive, and a few of us think that anyone is welcome at the Table if they feel like it.
Also, Donovan’s right about some holidays excluding people. Mother’s Day excludes me from getting prezzies and flowers, as I am not a mother. I therefore demand that Pet Day be celebrated on or about October 6, the Feast of St Francis of Assisi, with cards and flowers and donations to animal charities. Non-petowners could still receive cards commemorating the dust bunnies under their beds.
Kidding aside, I am perfectly okay with wishing all and sundry “Happy Holidays.” There are many holidays at this time of year, so the bases are covered.
Stephen
November 30, 2006 at 8:18 am
11Wouldn’t believing Christians think that the people who really declared war on Christmas be Big Business? I know I do. How exactly buying your spouse/sibling/whatever an expensive gift celebrates the birth of Christ has always escaped me. Especially when it seems to always turn into some sort of competition. I get the three wise men reference, but they didn’t actually turn up until later.
I mean really, its not like He was actually born on the 25th anyway.
jack*
November 30, 2006 at 8:57 am
12Wow, I feel so ashamed. Who knew that Black History Month felt so exclusionary to so many non-historians? I know my consciousness is rasied. From now on I’ll just say “Happy month that might vaguely be associated with learning something, but only if you feel like it” to avoid offending the dimwitted.
Lindsay
November 30, 2006 at 9:41 am
13What kills me is that so much of Christmas is stolen from pagan and non-Christian cultural traditions that were celebrated for centuries before the Jesus patrol ever showed up…Not to mention that Hannukah ALSO predates Jesus and certainly predates any celebration of his birth in December or otherwise. Which makes watching these morons shriek about how their holiday is being “ruined” by recognizing other December holidays (not to mention New Year’s Day) pretty surreal. I mean, is this reality or am I trapped in an episode of SNL?
Also, re: Catholic communion rules. Many Protestants do invite all Christians to take communion in their churches, but other groups do not; I’m not sure what the overall balance is, particularly with the more fundamentalist groups. For example, I was raised Evangelical Lutheran and we didn’t care; but the Missouri Synod Lutherans, who are a fairly crazy St Paul-worshipping bunch, are more Catholic about it. Once we had a joint youth rally and the Synod pastors refused to celebrate communion with Evangelicals. Christ, no wonder Europe had centuries of inter-denominational wars.
But it’s not like the RC church has bouncers. My mom (raised Catholic and hates the church heartily) takes communion in RC churches every chance she gets, just to spite them.
Murray
November 30, 2006 at 10:34 am
14Jesus was probably born in the spring if shephards were watching their sheep at night. Spring is lambing time and the volnerable lambs needed watching round the clock. But the church was put off by Solstice celebrations and decided to stick their own big holiday right around that time.
Well the right has to fight someone. With the demise of communism, there has been a shortage of suitable evil doers, or strawmen for that matter. So with nothing real to fight they take on meaningless ideas like this.
Rebekah
November 30, 2006 at 10:35 am
15When I was young I would ask my mom when Daughter Day and Sister Day were. Guess it was just part of my American-born raging sense of entitlement:P Gimme Presents! And as Pesky’apostrophe would say, “Happy Chriskwanzanakah, everybody!”
Harold
November 30, 2006 at 11:31 am
16I went on about this a few days ago. Even wrote a song about it.
http://anothermonkey.blogspot.com/2006/11/culture-wars-and-war-on-chri stmas.html
My point - one of my points - is that up until a few years ago, the trend was to complain about the commercialization of Christmas, using Christ’s name to sell stuff. Now that retailers are (or were, a lot have backed off from this) divorcing the religious aspects of the holiday from the commercial aspects of the holiday, the complaint is that Jesus’s birthday isn’t getting mentioned in the sales flyers!
Ultimately, like all other aspects of the Culture Wars, this isn’t about religion, or sex, or politics. It’s about power and control. Who controls Christmas?
Ginny, we Catholics also believe that all other so-called “Christians” are actually stinking rotten hellbound schismatic apostates. Jews are OK as long as they give us the “friends and family” discount. Everybody else is a pagan, so they have a shot at the money we put in the “pagan babies” bank at school.
SpottedDog
November 30, 2006 at 11:34 am
17My mom always responded to that by saying that every day was children’s day.
My mom could be pretty annoying.
SpottedDog
November 30, 2006 at 11:40 am
18I don’t celibrate Christmas any more because I finally got sick of all of the hype and complaint. It just seems like all anyone does is complain about it or the associated preparations (gift buying, cooking, travel). The latest grumblings over what to call it just reinforce my decision. It has made a big difference. This time of year has become mostly quiet and peaceful now. It’s a good time for reflection. I might even consider worshipping some deity now. What could be the harm?…
Jim (OJNTNJ)
November 30, 2006 at 12:38 pm
19Spotted Dog, if you’re looking for an ideal diety for an agnostic or athiest to worship, I would suggest The Giant Lobster or The Flying Spaghetti Monster.
If non-committal as to whom to praise, just give a big thank you to the great what/whoever.
PS: Ann should that have been “whomever?”
waterfowler
November 30, 2006 at 12:39 pm
20Merry Christmas Y’all.
nato
November 30, 2006 at 12:45 pm
21And a happy New Year! And just in case I forget it come May, may you all have a joyous National Masturbation Month!
piglet
November 30, 2006 at 12:47 pm
22I’m impressed by his rationalization that since they’re only offending 4% of the population that it’s okay.
I’m pretty sure blind people are 4% or less of the general population. So I guess Bill says we can have our “blind people are funny” pageants at City Hall now. Or maybe we can book the church. Let’s ask his parish.
Dale
November 30, 2006 at 1:03 pm
23In this war on Christmas, has anyone found the weapons of Christmas mass destruction?
Ann
November 30, 2006 at 1:40 pm
24Jim-O, I’m not going to touch that issue! Grammar is an issue for mere mortals, not for the question of what to name the unnameable.
Which I, as a Dawson-reading atheist, call “G-D” (for Great Delusion).
But I do celebrate Christmas, because my family celebrates Christmas. I don’t sing the songs or go to church, but I deck the halls, drink eggnog, exchange gifts, and tell my family how much I love them. It feels like a ritual that pre-dates Christianity.
Erik
November 30, 2006 at 2:18 pm
25I don’t know, piglet, I think a National “Blind People Are Funny” Day sounds hilarious.
Maximum Bob
November 30, 2006 at 2:56 pm
26Geez, Tim, you’ve asked one of the central questions of our time: how do you make the transition from a regular person who’s wrong some of the time to a professional pundit who’s wrong maybe 98% of the time? Is there some Famous Dumbasses School that advertises on matchbook covers? (Draw This Conclusion.) Is there some college course I forgot to take that shows me how to make millions pulling useless opinions out of my butt? How do I get in on this growth industry?
Jim (OJNTNJ)
November 30, 2006 at 6:04 pm
27Maximum Bob, I believe that college course would be “Theory of Noninvasive Surgical Techniques 303: Bowels and the Extrication of Resultent Vestigial (i.e. no longer usefull) Constants.”
dee
November 30, 2006 at 6:24 pm
28Minor correction, ginny. St Francis’ feast day is October 4. (Trust me — I was raised by Franciscans)
Ann has captured my feelings about Christmas just perfectly. Because my family celebrates it, I celebrate it with them. I could just as easily head to Michigan for my annual pilgrimage for the 4th of July, if not for the fact that they’re all at the beach with me then.
Ann
November 30, 2006 at 7:00 pm
29Ooh, Dee! My birthday is Oct. 4! Somehow this is theologically significant because I, unique among mortals, love animals!
Maybe I can be a Franciscan without actually becoming a Christian.
siobhan
November 30, 2006 at 7:04 pm
30As with Ann, Dee and probably many or most others here, I celebrate with many of the same trappings (trees, family get-togethers, gifts, parties) as the more religiously inclined. I just don’t do the church part anymore - instead of Christmas, it’s more accurate to call it christmas. I don’t resent anyone who keeps the Christ in christmas, just those who want to make it mandatory. I even wish people a Merry Christmas but I’ll be damned if anyone will tell me that I have to.
(However, Fowler, I am offended that you’re starting November… couldn’t you have waited one more day?)
siobhan
November 30, 2006 at 7:05 pm
31Ann, you could be a San Franciscan.
David
November 30, 2006 at 7:14 pm
32Fowler,
Back at ‘cha, dude. If we can’t sincerely wish each other the best in this season of good will, we are beyond hopeless. Someone needs to clue in what’s-his-face about the spirit we are supposed to be renewing, and which I plan to renew in the manner of dee and Ann, with a family amen to Stephen.
‘Course, given the disaster in Iraq, S & G’s “Silent Night/Six O’Clock News” seems awfully appropriate again, even though the six o’clock news is a pale shadow of its former self.
Jim,
“To Whomever” in the formal, “To Whoever” in the informal conversational when one is not wishing to call attention to the issue, although I think To Whomever isn’t as problematic as “It is I.”
“Whatever” also suddenly jumps to mind.
dee
November 30, 2006 at 8:25 pm
33One of the women I work with is originally from Argentina and her grammar is impeccable. I used to think that she and I were the last two people left who knew what the objective case was.
Of course, that was before I met Ann.
Rick
November 30, 2006 at 8:37 pm
34There is some irony in the idea of a Christian being insulted by the greeting “happy Holidays” since it word holiday is just another form of the phrase “holy day”.
I have always felt it polite to say happy holidays when I am not aware of a person’s belief system. Generally I try to avoid making someone uncomfortable if I can… and I certainly don’t find it insulting to be greeted like that myself.
As far as municipal nativity scenes are concerned, I do think that people ought to lighten up… I don’t see a little set of plaster figures as being able to convert anyone. If towns have been putting them up for decades, I don’t have a problem with them continuing the tradition…. and if they want to add a menorah to the scene, that’s fine with me, too.
Boomer
November 30, 2006 at 11:06 pm
35dee, Ann, David, and the unnamed woman from Argentina - were you all … “English Majors”?
Harold
December 1, 2006 at 4:44 am
36A friend and I invented the Season of Hallowhog a few years ago. It encompasses the entire period from October 31 to February 2. By that reckoning, we are now in the second month of Hallowhog, not quite at mid-Hallowhog. The advantage of Hallowhog is that you have 25% of the year to celebrate, and if you are late with your cards THIS Hallowhog, you’re actually just early with them for NEXT season.
http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/12/24/merry-christmas-mr-oreilly/#comm ent-12099
Fowler, I too was a little creeped out by having you wish a Merry Christmas in November. I mean, dude, I’m still eating leftover Thanksgiving turkey! (We froze half the leftovers and I just took them out to thaw, so I’m not poisoning myself.)
So, Happy Holidays to you, and have a safe and cheerful Hallowhog!
dee
December 1, 2006 at 6:49 am
37I cannot speak for Ann, David, or the unnamed woman from Argentina, but yes, I am a member in good standing of the Professional Organization of English Majors.
As is Adam. We exchanged the secret handshake at Felberpalooza.
jpj
December 1, 2006 at 12:47 pm
38I’ll take these “War of Christmas” people seriously when they go after Santa. Seriously, if they think this is a celebration of the Birth of Christ (a minor holy day in the Christian Calendar) then there is no bigger distraction than all this gift giving, shopping decorated trees and Jolly Old Santa. None of that stuff is in my Bible.
Next on Bill O’Reilly: Taking on the Rudolph who is Waging War on Baby Jesus!
Ann
December 1, 2006 at 1:26 pm
39So true, jpj! Where were these people when they were really needed*, in the 19th century? And how can we get them to focus on eliminating that creepy snowman with the voice of Burle Ives?
* “needed” in the sense of “not needed at all.”
Harold
December 1, 2006 at 1:48 pm
40If anybody wants to fight a War on Christmas that’s worth fighting, they should fight to have the classic “The Year Without a Santa Claus” edited down to just the “Heat Miser” and “Cold Miser” sequences. Those are the parts everyone wants to see. Everything else is just padding.
I LIKE the snowman with the voice of Burl Ives!
SeattleDan
December 1, 2006 at 2:04 pm
41As a retailer, I have to say,
It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year!
Remember all those ideas of having a $100 Christmas/Holiday is all communist propaganda. Pay no attention to that kind of dangerous chatter. Spend lots and spend often. The US economy will thank you.
cooper
December 1, 2006 at 3:17 pm
42Okay, both Ann and Harold, thanks alot. Now I’ve got “Holly Jolly Christmas” stuck in my head, dammit.
hedera
December 1, 2006 at 4:29 pm
43This has led me to some very interesting research, started by my (not very obscure) conviction that Christmas originally began as the Christ Mass, or Christ’s Mass. (I love Wikipedia.) Rick is quite right the “holiday” began as “holy day.”
Point is, this wasn’t the only ceremony noted as “somethingmass”, so I went to Wikipedia and looked up “Christian ceremonies”. The only two I can find easily are “Michaelmas” (also the “Feast of Ss. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael”), September 29, which is shorthand for “autumn”, and “Lammas” or “loaf-mass”, a harvest festival held on August 1.
I had to look for it (Vatican II renamed it) but there’s also Candlemas, February 2, formerly known as the “Purification of the Virgin” (who had been impure because of childbirth of course) but now called the “Presentation of the Lord.” “Candlemas” comes from an ancient practice of blessing the candles for use in the coming year on this date, but only if they were made of beeswax. Can’t go blessing tallow candles, they smell terrible.
We get all these miscellaneous “masses”, of course, because the Catholics owned the franchise for most of 1,500 years, and their primary celebration was - the Mass. (Ta-Daa!) Personally, I think Bill Donahue simply resents the fact that the Catholic Church is no longer the only game in town. And Lindsay is perfectly right that minuscule differences in theological interpretation, unintelligible to the ordinary worshipper, led thousands of Europeans to kill each other in various imaginative ways over a space of several centuries.
Gift-giving was, of course, hooked to the Magi, who (if they existed) would be appalled at the current form of the practice.
Of all the weird festivals I found in Wikipedia, my favorites are:
“The Dormition of the Theotokos”, an Eastern Orthodox festival held on August 15 to commemorate the date on which the Virgin Mary “fell asleep” (or, as we would say, died).
“Rogation Days”, also eliminated by Vatican II: used to be the 3 days before Ascension Thursday. Rogation Days were very odd - this post is already too long, but I recommend you go here and check out all the odd things that happened and didn’t happen around Rogation Days.
Katie
December 1, 2006 at 5:13 pm
44Dee -
Shouldn’t the sentance start, “One of the women with whom I work…. ”
Otherwise, you sound like a Minnesotan. (And I can say that because I grew up in Minnesota. To this day, prepositions and prepositional phrases make me shudder.)
;)
Katie
Sharon
December 1, 2006 at 5:15 pm
45I haven’t laughed this much in days. I’m just sorry I didn’t get here sooner. I’ve been having an existential crisis all week, wondering if I didn’t make the biggest mistake of my life by quitting my job a year ago to go after a library degree. I’ve never had to write so much in my life, and I’m finding it gets more and more difficult instead of easier, with each passing week.
But enough about me. Yeah, the Dormition is a tough one to wrap your mind around, isn’t it? I was raised Greek Orthodox. My mother’s name is Mary–Maria, actually–and that’s also my middle name, after the way of our people. The 15th of August is her Nameday. There are at least two other feastdays on the Orthodox calendar that celebrate Mary–I think her birthday’s September 8th?–but oddly enough most Orthodox named Mary observe their nameday on 8/15.
Lammas (August 1) and Imbolc (February 2) are two more Pagan European holidays that predate Christianity, along with Mabon, aka the Fall Equinox. I read that somewhere.
cooper
December 1, 2006 at 6:30 pm
46I don’t have a very good take on this man’s politics, but I must say that Senator-elect Jim Webb D-VA, is definitely getting off on the right foot.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/29/webb.bush.ap/index.html
GW
December 1, 2006 at 7:05 pm
47Laura said that today was World AIDS Day. Well, I guess the world could use some aid right now, but, I’m sorry, we just don’t have the money. Mr Cheney’s idea of invading Iraq has taken a lot more money than he thought it would. Actually, I think it is was Paul Wolfowitz who said the war would cost about 2 billion dollars, tops, and that the Iraq oil profits would pay for the reconstruction. Mr. Cheney said that there was some sort of snafu and he would be needing a lot more money in the short run and that we would be paid back eventually. I hope he’s right. I heard one of those liberal pundits on TV say the US is pissing money down a rat hole in Iraq. I don’t know why we’d do that, but I guess it’s so.
Dale
December 1, 2006 at 8:09 pm
48“…I recommend you go here and check out all the odd things that happened and didn’t happen around Rogation Days”
I am not a particularly religious person, but I do get together with family, exchange gifts, and beat choirboys every April.
Linkmeister
December 1, 2006 at 11:10 pm
49Ahem. Is it against the rules to mention other books here besides Adam’s and Mo’s? ‘Cause seems to me Hogfather might be a good substitute for all the Christmas/Holidays wailing and gnashing of teeth. I’m sure Pratchett wouldn’t mind.
David
December 2, 2006 at 5:27 am
50Another English major signing in.
dee,
Now I am really, really bummed out about missing Felberpalooza. The secret handshake, and with Adam? Omigod.
Yeah, cooper, this guy Jim Webb continues to amaze, and most exhiliratingly (correct spelling this time, for anyone who happened to notice that damnable typo some number of posts back). It is especially heartening that a former Republican secretary of the navy understands and feels driven to take on the threat to our society represented by the grotesque upward redistribution of wealth. I also admire his genuine desire to slug the President and his restraint in not doing same.
hedera,
I for one have no objection to your longer posts. Keep sharing. Inquiring minds enjoy the infofeast.
cooper
December 2, 2006 at 7:05 am
51David, a quick aside regarding accents and dialects: I was talking with one of the natives when I was in Maine this past summer and the topic of automobiles came up. He mentioned several times about “stompin’ down on the exhilirator”. I thought he meant to say “accelerator”, and maybe he did say that and I just couldn’t yet past the local brogue, but, when you think of it from the typical male interpretation, either word would fit.
For those who may have missed this, check out Keirth Olbermann’s latest tirade on Newt & free speech. Stirring words, indeed!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15976642/
Stephen
December 2, 2006 at 8:10 am
52We actually don’t do Santa at our house. Not because he is evil, (I don’t think he is) but because we wanted to be able to tell our children we have never lied to them about anything. (Yes, that leaves out the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. We still slip money under their pillow, the note with it is just from us.)
I actually made the mistake of mentioning it at church last year. OY, you should have heard the hassles. I gave as good (or better, IMHO) but the attacks on my not having Santa still go on…
Thanks for the link, cooper. I’ll take all the Olbermann I can get.
dee
December 2, 2006 at 10:50 am
53If this week’s WWDTM has not aired yet in your locality, don’t miss it. (And if it has already aired, catch the podcast). Mo is brilliant!
Harold
December 2, 2006 at 11:30 am
54Bah. My local NPR affiliate was taken off the air by wrath-of-God-force winds. I think the tower may have collapsed.
My friend and her husband are taking a novel approach to Santa: all the toys and expensive gifts are from them, and their child knows it. The clothes are all from Santa.
Linkmeister
December 2, 2006 at 12:18 pm
55Harold, that’s ingenious. Santa gets the blame for the boring stuff.
Ann
December 2, 2006 at 12:46 pm
56Katie, don’t you worry about Dee’s prepositions. She’s got them completely under control!
David
December 2, 2006 at 2:06 pm
57Indeed, cooper. We most certainly used that pedal as an exhilirator, especially when running our chassis/motor/wheels/seat/steering wheel only buggies through the orange groves in the middle of the night (nope, no headlights - it was the moon or nothing - yeah, well, insanity runs rampant among adolescent Southerners).
Glad to hear the news about dee. Out-of-control prepositions are not to be taken lightly.
Dale
December 2, 2006 at 2:09 pm
58Out-of-control prepositions are things not to be dealt lightly with.
dee
December 2, 2006 at 3:33 pm
59Yeah. I’ve had plenty of experience dealing with…
oh…
…prepositions.
Never mind.
GW
December 2, 2006 at 5:29 pm
60I had Jenna do some calculations for me the find out what this war is costing the US. She came up with an answer, but she’s has been laughing wildly all day, so I’m not sure how correct these numbers are. When she finished with the calculator, she threw it over her shoulder, jumped out the window, ran across the White House lawn (again laughing), vaulted over the fence and disappeared into the crowd of adoring fans of the Republican juggernaut I led in 2004. Oh, to be young and stupid once more!
Anyway, the number she came up with was somewhere around $1.8 million/minute. Even in my final throes of addiction, I couldn’t put that much coke up my nose in a month! That’s a lot of money, but as Mr. Cheney told me again last night, “No price is too high, when you need to get high.” Or something like that.
Elliott
December 2, 2006 at 5:53 pm
61The Cost of The War- $347,000,000,000
Our safety from the “teririrists”- priceless
check out
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
Elliott
December 2, 2006 at 6:02 pm
62oh yeah, this thread is about christmas,.
For those folks who are militant about putting Christ back into Christmas….who’ s stopping you?
siobhan
December 2, 2006 at 6:49 pm
63Yea! A double NPR score!! We got on the phone from our banding blinds today and managed to get Prairie Home tix. Then when I got home tonight I got my tix for WWDTM in Berkeley. Good times!
Christmas comes early.
David
December 2, 2006 at 7:13 pm
64Gators 38 Hogs 28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christmas came early this year. Yes, I did have a paper bag at the ready at the end of this one.
And dee’s slant pun - also priceless.
Dale
December 2, 2006 at 7:15 pm
65You’re right, Rick, why would any Christian object to “holy days?” Unless…wait, it must be….the part of “happy holidays” the types don’t like is the “happy”! (Makes sense–they’ve certainly rejected the “peace and good will to all men” part.)
David
December 2, 2006 at 7:16 pm
66Oops, I almost forgot - thanks siobhan for your comment regarding an early Christmas. And way cool spending the day in a banding blind. I love the people on FA.
Katie
December 2, 2006 at 8:26 pm
67HUZZAH MO!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Dee! You have hit a new high in the WWDTM-funniest-one-liners category.
Katie, wiping away tears of laughter
dee
December 2, 2006 at 8:26 pm
68David, it’s all in the hands of the BCS voters now. But may I say that given all the other one-loss teams in the country, there is still only one whose loss was by three points to the number one team, and only one day after the tragic death of their Beloved Coaching Icon {sniff}
Go Blue!
SeattleDan
December 2, 2006 at 9:10 pm
69How about my mighty Bruins muddying the BCS waters by defeating those Trojans? Hehee. Not that UCLA is going anywhere, but it feels good to beat SC.
Just wrapped up the Jackson Street Books Holiday party to which the lovely Ann attended. A good time, I hope, was had by all, and wish you all could have been there.
Remember to spend a lot of money this Holiday Season and don’t be afraid to max out your cards. It’s the American Way. Massive debt is your friend. Just ask W.
Landis
December 2, 2006 at 9:41 pm
70Okay, Siobhan, and everyone else: new rule…. We’ve got to help each other out. When WWDTM is coming to the area, we need to let our fellow apathists know so that we can get in on the action too. Last time they came to Berkeley it was sold out by the time I checked in. Sincere thanks for the warning this time and now we’ve got some seats.
For those in the Bay Area who are interested it’ll be at Zellerbach Hall, UC Berkeley on Feb 8/9 (http://www.calperfs.berkeley.edu/presents/season/2006/speaking/wait_w ait.php)
See ya there!
Oh, and Merry Christmas to you all.
tess
December 3, 2006 at 2:20 am
71Before the thought slips my mind: At least with “Merry Christmas” we know it’s the Christians to blame for drecky holiday programs.
Otherwise, I don’t actually have a problem with christmas being a commercial season the same way the Japanese treat it — plenty of pretty lights, excessive gifts meant to one-up each other according to Japanese gift-giving ettiquette, and loads of fatty foods. Otherwise the longer nights until February when the Lunar New Year comes ’round would leave me a little depressed without a real excuse to drink. Plus, it’s nice to get gifts from loved ones, especially when they’re typically awful at it (like my bf) because it gives them one more chance to make it up to you.
siobhan
December 3, 2006 at 4:30 am
72Landis - left orchestra, seats M-25 and M-27
tess's cowboyfriend
December 3, 2006 at 6:37 am
73tess, you mean you didn’t like that bolo tie with the turquoise slide I got you last year? I’ve wondered why you haven’t been wearing it lately, so when I noticed it in your lingerie drawer the other day (oops!), I took it out and tried it on. It looks really great on me! Actually, I’ve been wearing it the last few days and getting lots of compliments. Who says I can’t make good gift decisions? Wait until you see what I got for
myselfyou this year!!!!David
December 3, 2006 at 10:29 am
74Seattle Dan,
Thank you, Mighty Bruins, who will be playing a 6-6 FSU team that should not be taken lightly. That actually should be a good game.
dee,
Logically your and Murray’s maize and blue are #2, but when one is a giddy Gator after last night’s madcap SEC championship game, logic loses out. I am outvoted 2-1 on FA. Wonder how that will compare to BCS voting. A little reversal would be ok….
hedera
December 3, 2006 at 12:51 pm
75Landis and siobhan - yes but which evening? You’ll find me and my husband, I regret to say, in right BALCONY, G18 and G20, Friday night. Nosebleed seats (at least they’re cheap, especially for alums) but we’ll be there. (Left orchestra, siobhan, I’m jealous - I knew I should have ordered sooner…) Thank you, Landis, for reminding me how fast this stuff sells out. I suppose I could have tried Thursday night, but I’d have to get up and go to work Friday morning.
We all survived the Big Game yesterday in which bottom rated Stanfoo seems to have played its best game of the season, narrowing a 30 point spread to a mere 9 points (26-17), while Mighty Cal barely managed to keep its lead. (gee, it seems odd to say “Mighty Cal” - when I was there they could barely find the middle of the field for the coin toss…) To do them justice, it was blowing a gale down Strawberry Canyon yesterday (last night the winds hit 50 MPH on the ridges and blew the power out at least 3 times).
Harold
December 3, 2006 at 12:56 pm
76tess, I have long believed that Christmas was just a way of getting through Seasonal Affective Disorder, with all the pretty lights and cheerful decorations and festive songs and rich foods. Maybe the holiday depression many people experience around that time is actually just an expression of the most powerfusl SAD cases.
Landis
December 3, 2006 at 1:25 pm
77We’ve got Thursday night because I was hoping that that would be the one they’d actually put on the air. Do they normally do two nights in a row, or was it because they sold out so quickly last year?
Left Orchestra p-21, p-23. The acceptable nosebleeds were sold out. [Any FAers want to get together before/after the show?]
When I was at Cal (only 5-6 years ago) I remember the announcer during the game… Something to the effect of “There’s the snap - Quarterback has the ball, and he waits, waits, waits, and… he’s sacked.” Over and over again. Boy that was sad. That was the year the field goals were taken down by the crowd after the game (or is that every year?).
Anyone know who’s going to be the panelists for WWDTM?
Vinnie
December 3, 2006 at 2:19 pm
78Yo! Chevon, remember me from middle school? Long time, huh? Listen, sorry about the ponytail in de inkwell (heh, heh). Well I may be running into you soon. If I was in de predicting bidness, I’d say maybe in Berkley in early February in de left orchestra. Now if I can just get de water balloons past de bouncer at de door…
cooper
December 3, 2006 at 2:37 pm
79dee, re: the secret handshake at Felberpalooza. So that’s what the High Fives, the Low Fives, “Boom Shakalakalakas” and pinching each other on the butt was all about. It made a guy wonder, I must say. The lives of the English Majors turns out to be much more interesting than I’d thought possible.
Harold
December 3, 2006 at 8:10 pm
80Is that what all the butt-pinching was about? I though that was just the Member’s Mark. Sorry, Maker’s Mark.
Dale
December 3, 2006 at 8:12 pm
81Sorry English majors, you can’t top those of us who majored in Romance (languages).
siobhan
December 3, 2006 at 8:49 pm
82Hedera - like Landis, I’m at the Thursday show. That may be why more seats were available. It was on sale as part of a series first, so maybe Friday night was the series night?
David
December 3, 2006 at 9:01 pm
83Heilige Scheiss, we’re in the Big One. Does one roast Buckeyes, or what? I do realize that I am well advised to tread lightly around Wolverines. Hey, I will be cheering for you guys to win the Rose Bowl.
Fowler,
A little Longhorn mojo from last year, maybe on loan for this one?
tess
December 4, 2006 at 2:46 am
84Hedera, Landis,
Yay! We still win! Though my memories resemble Landis’s more — “We lost . . . again.” I didn’t hear about a victory until after I graduated and they’d sacked the coach (instead of the quarterback getting sacked over and over). I’m just mad I still can’t go to a Wait Wait taping — just none close enough to SLO to go.
siobhan
December 4, 2006 at 6:33 am
85Tess, SLO is less than 4 hours from Berkeley. (My friend and I made the trip in reverse about a year ago to see a really rare bird.) I say go for it.
Dale
December 4, 2006 at 4:38 pm
86Wow, Siobhan, 4 hours in reverse? And I thought people drove crazy in NY!
PS - Ornithologists: I started a lively debate in my class today by noting that Spanish has one word for dove and pigeon. An hour of Wikipedia research later, I see that this is because they are the same bird. Does this mean that your run-of-the-mill statue shitter can mate with the Amnesty International logo (I mean, if it weren’t just a logo)?
David
December 4, 2006 at 5:10 pm
87Non-ornithologically speaking, doves are like mourning doves, etc. while pigeons are aggressive, often scruffy, highly adaptable statue shitters, and in some ways a better choice for the AI logo.
OK, siobhan, bail us out here.
siobhan
December 4, 2006 at 5:34 pm
88First to clarify, then to mix it up again, which ultimately clarifies.
Pigeons and doves are both in Family Columbidae. So, yes, in a way they are the same. (I believe dodos were also members of the family.) More to the point, the Common Flying Rat (Columbia livia) was long known by the common name (vs. scientific name) of “Rock Dove”, so the thing that everyone calls a pigeon was actually supposed to be called a dove.
For once, nomenclature bowed to reality… the official common name was changed to Rock pigeon, so now pigeons really are pigeons.
Then there are the lovely, native Band-tailed Pigeons… but that’s a different digression.
Harold
December 4, 2006 at 8:53 pm
89I’ve always liked the name Rock Dove. I think that in the cities they’re saying “Oh, you bipedal hairless apes have built yourself high-rise caves? Fine, we’ll live on the ledges, pretend that they’re cliffs and outcrops, and shit on anything below.”
Speaking of shit and nomenclature, I’ve always gotten a kick out of the fact that the sacred Egyptian Scarab beetle is actually just a dung beetle. Actually, turns out that the dung beetle’s skill at turning shit into a food and a nesting place for its young is how the dung beetle got associated with notions of life after death.
another Matt
December 4, 2006 at 9:08 pm
90I’ve been telling people to stop calling it “the weekend” and go back to calling it “the day before the Sabbath and the day of the Sabbath”. So on Fridays I tell co-workers “Have a good Day Before the Sabbath and a Good Sabbath!”
I can’t really see the Christianists’ objections to “Happy Holidays”. There are multiple holy days in the season: The Eve of Christmas, Christmas Day, The Feast of the Epiphany, The Feast of the Holy Family . . . . Do we have to specify which holidays we mean?
And I’m not even going to mention the (now re-named) Feast of the Circumcision for fear of causing a laughing seizure in Hedera, but suffice it to say that I hope the Woverines celebrate that day by clipping USC’s . . . wings, so to speak.
Dale
December 4, 2006 at 9:46 pm
91Circumcision is always harder with a Trojan.
SeattleDan
December 4, 2006 at 9:54 pm
92Thank God that I 1. Dont remember my circumcison;2. I’m a Bruin and not a Trojan.
And I’m not happy with the Bruins. I get continous calls from the Alumni Association wanting to part me from my hard earned monies. The last one that called, I told upfront that as long as it was policy for the UCLA “police force” to use tasers, repeatedly, on students who are passively resisting, that they weren’t getting a dime out of me. Of course, there is an “investigation” going on. Bastards.
David
December 4, 2006 at 9:55 pm
93The Feast of the Circumcision set a laughing seizure in motion down here on the Edge of the Green Swamp.
The band-tailed pigeon is a beautiful bird, and has a body type quite similar to that of the mourning dove, which is in Florida at the moment (dove season was in November). I would have immediately called it a band-tailed dove, wondering why it was called a pigeon.
SeattleTammy
December 4, 2006 at 10:57 pm
94I always thought the difference was the purdy one were doves. Working in Pioneer Square I’ve seen lots of the winged rats. Once at the bus stop, my girlfriend explained how some of the really crazed, feather picked nasty ones were “messed up on whatever the crack heads had dropped on the ground” only she was more colorful in her rant.
I have a Bizarro cartoon on the fridge: Pigeon says to Rat in an alley “I get flying rat a lot. Do you get wingless pigeon?”
siobhan, make sure Dan has your address, I want to send you Steller’s Island. It’s a wonderful travelogue journey discovering Alaska and the environs for the Russkies, Amazing bird stuff about critters not here anymore. I loved it!
J. Ratzinger
December 5, 2006 at 4:16 am
95Uh-oh, another Matt! All these years I’ve been calling it Shabbat and thinking it was Saturday, not Sunday. I’ve spent all my years studying Christianity. Maybe I should study other religions more thoroughly and keep my pie hole shut until I do, you think?
dee
December 5, 2006 at 5:25 am
96Ladies and gentleman, where else on the interent will you find, with one click, a discussion about Christmas (and the war thereon), grammar, football and pigeons?
dee
December 5, 2006 at 5:26 am
97Or on the internet, for that matter.
I’ll go get more coffee now…
cooper
December 5, 2006 at 5:32 am
98David, I realize this is to the south of the Green Swamp, but do keep a wary eye open, none the less. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FLORIDA_PANTHERS?SITE=CTDAN&SEC TION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
David
December 5, 2006 at 7:23 am
99This says it all. But we’re not just closing in on the bottom, we’re actually racing to it full speed at this point:
“We’ve hit the slippery slope and we’re closing in on the bottom,” Land said. “We’re all getting frustrated with congestion and high cost of housing, but we’ve got to achieve a balance. We simply cannot afford to take over every square foot of Florida and put a house on it.”
And I loved the comment offered by the woman with the sports association. Even as I disagree with the NRA on various political issues, this is the first time I’ve ever seen a comment this stupid regarding wildlife from a sportsperson. Like water mocassins aren’t “dangerous animals,” or that children shouldn’t play unaware where water mocassins are likely to be hanging out looking for dinner. Does this woman have a clue what life in rural Florida should be expected to encompass?
cooper
December 5, 2006 at 4:06 pm
100Yeah, David. That woman was a trip alright. “It’s (the panther’s) got no place being here. (Actually, the panthers were in Florida long before humans were.) It’s a dangerous animal. (I’m sure the panther is thinking the same thing about humans, and quite justifiably.)”
Murray
December 5, 2006 at 6:09 pm
101Yes, we Wolverines are none to happy that we haven’t been given our rightful chance to bring it back to the Buckeyes and show them just who is #1.
Mourning Doves have a special place with naturalists, we either call them Sharp Tailed Hawks if we see their silhouettes, or Day Owls if you only hear the call, when we are around non birders.
BTW the annual “Murray’s Brag and Gag Rag” is about to be sent and any one who would like to be filled in on the happenings of the past year as portrayed in a satirical “Christmas Letter” need only send their address to me at murray@grouseland.com
David
December 6, 2006 at 5:43 am
102cooper,
I’d have to say the panther has the better case by a rather wide margin.
Murray,
I hope the shafting of the Wolverines in favor of a bunch of left over dinosaurs who eat their young doesn’t engender too much hatred of the Orange and Blue by the Maize and Blue. I also hope you guys win your game, too. Wolverines should be able to tear Trojans a new anal orifice. I’m not sure what Gators are supposed to do with Buckeyes, besides plant them.
siobhan
December 6, 2006 at 9:48 pm
103All I want for Christmas is Silly String.
(I hope this link works.)
David
December 7, 2006 at 7:25 am
104It works, siobhan. Here’s my favorite comment from the article:
“The military is reluctant to talk about the use of Silly String, saying that discussing specific tactics will tip off insurgents.”