By now everyone in America knows that Nancy Pelosi isn’t actually an anti-establishment radical San Francisco anarchist. Married to the same man for 43 years, she’s the mother of five, grandmother of twenty-two, she’s told the press. To make the point further, she’s added Italian-American, Baltimore, and Catholic to her list of self-identifiers.
I’m kind of into the Old World Saint Christopher-devoted Tarantella-dancing Nancy Pelosi. I’m imagining her at the Speaker’s podium, shrouded in black, gavel in one hand, garlic in the other - to ward off the mal’occhio of an envious Dennis Hastert. (You can also use rock salt wrapped in aluminum or a piece of amethyst to protect yourself from the evil eye.)
I get why she wants to project a pro-family image. It’s the truth, and it makes us feel like she understands regular people. And yet…
She’s the first woman in the role. And let’s face it, she looks great. It seems like such a waste for her to be slaving over a pot of pasta e fagioli, exhorting her caucus to “Mangia! Mangia!” We live in a post-feminist era, where it’s okay for women to use their gender - rather than shrink from it - to move ahead. Here’s my first Madam Nancy fantasy moment:
January 2007. It’s the State of the Union address. Bush is in the foreground, directly behind him Cheney sits camera-left, Nancy camera-right. Nancy is wearing a white sleeveless turtleneck and short white skirt, her legs crossed. Cheney steals a look every now and then.
Bush is announcing his plan for an attack on Iran. Democrats start booing. Once again they’re setting themselves up to look like wusses. Republicans start booing the Democrats. With her left hand Condi Rice grips a shrieking Dennis Kucinich by the middle and spikes him. (She doesn’t even need to use her throwing arm.)
Nancy is unflappable. She lights up a cigarette, takes a slow drag - then uncrosses and recrosses her legs. The angle is perfect. The chamber falls silent. At home all you can hear is Wolf Blitzer mutter “Holy shit.” The FCC is too riveted to even notice. (Yes, I know they don’t have jurisdiction over cable, but you get the idea.) Cheney slumps over. The President turns around.
Nancy exhales, then looks at the President, barely cocking an eyebrow: “You were saying?”
“Nuthin’,” says a shaking President. “Nuthin’ at all.”
(A seething Hillary Clinton turns to adviser Howard Wolfson: “We’re losing the pantsuits. Get on it.”)
What’s your Madam Nancy fantasy moment?





85 comments
dee
November 9, 2006 at 7:50 am
1Dubya: Mrs. Pelosi? Mrs. Pelosi are you trying to seduce me?
Harold
November 9, 2006 at 7:55 am
2If I had ever seen the “Kill Bill” movies, I would say it involved a yellow track suit and a ninja sword. But I haven’t, so I can’t.
Mo Rocca
November 9, 2006 at 8:56 am
3PS - For those who think my entry is retrograde, just be happy Hastert isn’t up there wearing a skirt.
Holly H.
November 9, 2006 at 9:20 am
4Yay! Return of Borg Condi! It’s been so long since Pets; I’ve missed her.
Rebecca
November 9, 2006 at 10:02 am
5Something that involves Ms. Pelosi giving Dubya a “present” (think Marilyn Monroe’s birthday song) right before he’s supposed to announce attacking Iran or Syria or any other nation in the Middle East.
“Happy Birthday Mr. President…”
(I have no idea what sort of effect that would have, either good or bad, but it’s an entertaining thought.)
dee
November 9, 2006 at 10:17 am
6If we want to stick with the Kathleen Turner image:
Nancy to Dubya: You aren’t too smart. I like that in a man.
Siobhan
November 9, 2006 at 10:23 am
7Wait, wasn’t it Sharon Stone?
GW
November 9, 2006 at 10:42 am
8I hope none of this happens. Now that Don Rumsfelt is gone, I need Mr. Cheney more than ever. Come on, Barney, let’s go for a run!
dee
November 9, 2006 at 10:46 am
9Siobhan, you’re right. I get my outrageous blondes of a certain age confused sometimes.
YLlama
November 9, 2006 at 11:37 am
10Are we including bad fantasies? If so, I have this horrible image stamped on my brain where Nancy Pelosi is, for some reason, playing the role of the egg-laying Jewess from Borat. Only instead of the egg containing a “Jew chick” that the Kazakh children are encouraged to smash, it contains the “viable Democratic Presidential contender” (as yet unidentified) that the House Republicans are encouraged to smash.
Apologies. My nightmares have definitely gotten more surreal and paranoid over the past few years.
Linkmeister
November 9, 2006 at 11:56 am
11Well, lessee. She and Bush were supposed to have lunch together today, so maybe she could play Lucretia Borgia or one of the Medicis.
Fran
November 9, 2006 at 12:08 pm
12Gee, mine involves her saying to Dubya, “Here’s the deal. I don’t go after you for war crimes or impeachment. In return, you KEEP Cheney as your VP instead of replacing him next year with a viable Republican presidential candidate. Got it? You replace him, you go to jail. That’s the only deal you get.”
Ah, such dreams I have…
piglet
November 9, 2006 at 12:26 pm
13Fran - I like that one, although I would like it if she would use that particular ton of leverage to make Bush keep his veto stamp locked in his desk drawer.
jpj
November 9, 2006 at 12:32 pm
14Lets stick with the Italian themes. She sitting in a silk suit and Bush is all “Here’s how’s its gonna be” with her. She waits a moment and says, “You can have my answer right now, Mr. President. Here’s my offer: Nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you will pay out of your own pocket.”
Siobhan
November 9, 2006 at 1:39 pm
15BTW, did anyone else note that the takeover of the Senate only became official with the concessions by … Burns and Allen?
(Insert comment about “getting rid of these jokers” here.)
Mo Rocca
November 9, 2006 at 1:41 pm
16Holy cow, Siobhan! That’s awesome.
cooper
November 9, 2006 at 3:33 pm
17Siobhan, actually I did at lunch, but didn’t have time to comment. Also, actually, I’m old enough to know who you’re talking about without having to Google Burns and Allen. “Say Goodnight, Gracie.”
Fran, your fantasy is great! One can only hope.
tess
November 9, 2006 at 4:20 pm
18Awe, all my fantasies involve Bush suggesting a good Republican “interior decorator” and Pelosi, smiling sweetly, saying, “Sorry, I’m not into Karthleen Harris-style of white trash.”
ginny
November 9, 2006 at 4:33 pm
19That joke won’t grow old for a long time, until we get tired of explaining who the original Burns and Allen were.
I feel old, but invigorated.
nato
November 9, 2006 at 5:59 pm
20Oh sure, I throw the Burns and Allen thing up last night on the Election Day Semi-Open Thread and nobody notices (comment #118, including the obligatory “Say Goodnight, Gracie!”), but Siobhan mentions it today and she gets a Holy Cow! from Mo Rocca. Now I feel old and neglected. Where’s my Holy Cow, Mo?
ice weasel
November 9, 2006 at 6:13 pm
21Damn you Harold. My scenario exactly.
cooper
November 9, 2006 at 6:59 pm
22Holy Cow!!! Nato’s right. He was first to mention it. But Siobhan and I came by the connection independently and honestly. Those of us possessing advanced cultural knowledge of TV shows of the 1950’s and 60’s really should stick together, don’t you think? I guess Mo likes to be a divider and not a uniter. Even though you get favorable treatment from the current cultural icons, Siobhan, we won’t hold it against you. (Nato, I bet growing up she was the teacher’s pet, you think?)
Really off topic - Bill Maher, talking about the hypocracy of Republican gays who gay-bash, outed Ken Mehlman on The Larry King Show.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/LKing-BillMaher-MehlmanGay.mov
Dale
November 9, 2006 at 8:06 pm
23Dick Cheney resists the don’t-step-down offer, and the next morning wakes up with a horse’s head in his bed.
But Nancy is a good PETA Democrat, so it’s still attached to the horse, who happily receives an extra serving of oats before being returned to the family villa in Tuscany.
David
November 9, 2006 at 8:24 pm
24Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President Boy George Bush are standing beside each other behind a wide podium. They are leaning toward each other, President Boy George Bush whispering something in Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s ear.
A parabolic snooper antenna picks up President Boy George’s strained voice as he mutters, “Madam Speaker, would you let go of my balls?”
Madam Speaker continues to smile coolly as she turns her attention back to the audience.
siobhan
November 9, 2006 at 10:14 pm
25Cooper, I had a funny name back when children didn’t have funny names, thus disqualifying me from pet-hood.
Nato, sorry for missing it last night (and geez, you posted right before me… I think I was too wrapped up in the thought of dumping Jefferson). And at least you and Cooper remembered “Say Goodnight, Gracie”. Maybe Mo was being nice to me because he knows that I’m not the sharpest crayon in the box.
waterfowler
November 9, 2006 at 11:19 pm
26Siobhan, I saw an Osprey w/ a fish in it’s talons this morning. Do they always point them staight ahead for aero-dynamics?
David, check out Terry Bowden’s bracket if only the NCAA had a playoff system.
Mo, thanks for the nightmares.
benihana
November 9, 2006 at 11:35 pm
27Code Red: Code Red: Code Red: Code Red: Code Red: Code Red:
Madame Pelosi DO NOT take rebuilding, er, redecorating tips from Duhbya! The “Civil War” theme is SO hard to work with, and darling, how will you ever get all the blood out of your carpet?
Code Red: Code Red: Code Red: Code Red: Code Red: Code Red:
David
November 10, 2006 at 4:32 am
28Fowler,
He must have Florida v. Texas. That would be a good ‘un. Since my masters is from the College of New Jersey (formerly Trenton State), I had to root for Rutgers.
cooper
November 10, 2006 at 4:39 am
29Actually, Siobhan, Mo’s sucking up to you because you are the sharpest. I tell you, it’s shameless.
Okay, my fantasy - Nancy and W are seated in the East Room chatting pleasantly for the cameras during a photo-op. W leans over, trying hard to not look down her blouse, and furtively whispers into Madame Nancy’s ear. She pulls a pen and paper from her purse, hastily scribbles a note and hands it to the President. W immediately gets up and leaves the room, but in the process, drops the note. With disorienting speed and synchronicity, all cameras zoom in on the note: “George W. Bush may be excused to go to the bathroom.”
Nah… I still like Fran’s fantasy the most, but Dale gets Second Best in Show.
Waterfowler, hey bud. Every osprey I’ve seen with a fish in its talons has it head first for that reason. All the earlier ospreys that carried them tail first got too tired during the flight to make it back to the nest and, either dropped the fish or fell out of the sky. Either way, the offspring didn’t get fed and therefore did not flourish. Over millions of years, the “head first” ospreys prospered and the tail first declined toward extinction. But that touches on survival of the fittest and evolution and you may not want to go there. Have a nice day. It’s going to be sunny & 82F in Charlotte today, a new record for November 10. I’m sure that just a fluke and not more evidence of that Global Warming ju-ju.
Sharon
November 10, 2006 at 7:13 am
30Just for the record, I’ve been thinking of Burns and Allen for the last couple of days as well, but I kept thinking that I must be hearing incorrectly. Surely any radio announcer worth his or her salt would have pointed it out by now.
Here in the 5th District of Connecticut it’s a balmy 51 degrees F, expected to reach 58. I know it doesn’t sound warm by Charlotte standards, but it is warm for here for this time of year. Last winter was relatively mild as well.
nato
November 10, 2006 at 8:03 am
31It’s a balmy 33F here in Idaho. I’m still feeling the vicarious afterglow of the election wins pretty much everywhere but here. Still staunchly Republican here, but hey, at least we haven’t had a cross burning or anyone mistaken for a Jew and tossed on a bonfire since this summer!
Ginny, feel free to feel knowledgeable, not old, for getting the Burns and Allen connection. The only thing that makes me feel old is my creaking knees and back.
Siobhan
November 10, 2006 at 1:17 pm
32I wanted to add something to this fantasy list, but it doesn’t qualify on two counts: first, it doesn’t involve Nancy Pelosi and, second, it appears that prosecuting Rumsfeld and others for war crimes isn’t a technically a fantasy anymore. That’s what he gets for that “old Europe” comment…
cooper
November 10, 2006 at 1:59 pm
33siobhan, the delicious irony of Janis Karpinski having an opportunity to testify against the crusty upper crust of the Bush Administration must be particularly satisfying. Bon Apetit, Retired Brigadeer General Karpinski.
cooper
November 10, 2006 at 2:16 pm
34nato, my what a lovely day it’s been. You mentioned it was 33F, but remember, it’s a dry cold. Where are you in Idaho - Cours de Laine? I guess you’re on the wrong side of the Rockies for Chinook winds to help out any. Bummer. When I lived in Great Falls and the Chinooks came in the winter, it would go from 0 to 30F in about an hour - I remember thinking it felt like spring had arrived.
siobhan
November 10, 2006 at 2:48 pm
35cooper, I’m about 3/4 through “Fiasco” and just finished the section on prisoner abuse last night. I do wish I could be a fly on the wall during her testimony.
Dale
November 10, 2006 at 3:14 pm
36It’s the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. The Democratic Senators are traveling home, raking leaves, eating pie, watching football. Suddenly the phone rings. A deep female voice is on the other hand. “Boys.” she says. “It’s Nancy. Cheney & co. are planning to break into the Smithsonian tonight and replace the Bill of Rights with an altered Homeland Security version. We’ve got 24 hours. Meet me behind the sanitation dock at the National Museum at nineteen hundred. Your country is counting on you, boys.” The Dems jump into action. There’s Barack Obama, the sexy hearthrob. Russ Feingold, the cute little one. And Edward Kennedy, the one with the troubled past.
The citizens of the US never know how close they came. The plot foiled, the tired but proud Senators return to their respective homes, just in time to carve the turkey. As they wave goodbye, an IM comes in on their Blackberries. “Good work, Angels. — Nancy.”
David
November 10, 2006 at 4:00 pm
37Love it, Dale.
Sister Omar Jonah BillyJack Obadiah O'Gillicugdy
November 10, 2006 at 8:22 pm
38Okay, I just checked Adam’s bio @ Wikipedia and someone has besmerched it. To wit:
Adam Felber is a member of the Cheese Explorer’s Club; traveling the world to find different cheeses and explore them both physically and emotionally. His book, “Frankly My Dear, I Don’t Give Edam: Two Years In The Gobi Desert” won the Very Gouda Book Prize and made the Cheese Retailers’ Society Monthly Newsletter Bestseller List for 87 weeks straight, losing out the number one spot only once to a reprint of Stephen King’s “The Stand.”
This whole ugly incident has stench of 6 month old Limburger with all the mold and vile humors associated with that Godforsaken inferior class of cheese and it has the fingerprints of a malcontent with too much time on his/her time. Of course, I’m assuming it one of you. So you can just sit there and not move a muscle until we learn who among you is the culprit. I’ve got all the time in world. And I’ve got the strap, you little twerps.
Dale
November 10, 2006 at 8:58 pm
39Does Stephen King have an alibi?
SeattleDan
November 10, 2006 at 9:21 pm
40I think it was Mr. Mustard in the library with the socket wrench.
Dale
November 10, 2006 at 9:34 pm
41Mean, mean Mr. Mustard. Sleeps in the park, shaves in the dark, AND mucks about on Wikipedia.
SeattleDan
November 10, 2006 at 9:59 pm
42Dale, what you doing up so late?
Sister Omar Jonah BillyJack Obadiah O'Gillicugdy
November 11, 2006 at 5:13 am
43Dale, Dan, button it right now!!! And why can’t ya be sitting straight up in yewr seat, with yewr feet flat on the floor like that darlin’ Siobhan? What glorious name dat is! Pure beautiful Celtic it is and just to say it, sounds like it’s flowin’ off da Blessed lips o’ God Himself!
Vinnie
November 11, 2006 at 5:22 am
44(All right, that’s it! Next time we’re at recess, Chevon’s going down…)
Joe from Chicago
November 11, 2006 at 6:37 am
45Look’s like Ted Haggard’s “Jesus Camp” is taking a powder.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/11/jesus-camp-folds-its-tents/
nato
November 11, 2006 at 9:02 am
46Close, Cooper. I have a small house on the prairie just outside of Post Falls. For the moment, my nearest neighbors to the left and right are half a mile away, but by the end of next year, the field to my right will be the home of a megachurch and the field to my right will most likely be another addition to the closest golf course/subdivision. They sure do love their subdivisions, golf courses and commercialized mega-g/God around here.
siobhan
November 11, 2006 at 9:12 am
47I’m kinda scared to post… hide me from Vinnie, okay?
Anyway: I was just listening to a blurb about Veteran’s Day on NPR. It brought back two very strong memories, both from England.
In the late 80’s my hubbie had a work-related trip to London and I joined him. We went a few days earlier than the rest of the team so that we do a little recreational travel, and found ourselves in Brighton on 11/11. (It was fun to see some of the locations I recognized from Quadrophenia.) We found ourselves at the local Armistace Day parade. It looked like the entire town turned out. Nothing fancy - veterans marching and everyone else on the curb, wearing their poppies - but the gratitude shown to the veterans was real and wonderful.
A few years later, Bill had another November business trip - this time to Poland. We happened to be on layover in Heathrow at 11:00 on 11/11, jetlagged from the redeye and hanging out in a food-court type area. At 11:00, we heard a bell toll and the airport went silent.
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It was amazing; in this great crossroads where everyone is in motion, there was a real power to the pause. As the minute of silence neared its end, a small child near us spoke - “Mummy, is everything all right?” “Yes, dear, it is now.”
Find your copy of “Flanders Fields” and read it today. And don’t forget to say thanks to the vets you know.
George
November 11, 2006 at 9:39 am
48Chevon, thanks for posting.
David
November 11, 2006 at 11:15 am
49A friend from Switzerland is visiting. Europeans still have nearly boundless gratitude for what America, including my father, did for Europe in WWII. Contempt for Bushco is pretty much universal, but so is unwavering appreciation for what we did right.
I was in a town in Devonshire, I think it was, on a July 4th of a few years back. The town was celebrating our Independence Day in honor of all the Americans who fought and died to save them from Hitler’s war machine. It felt good to be there on that day.
hedera
November 11, 2006 at 12:02 pm
50Without any disrespect to our veterans, and I do respect them, I think I’m the first one in with this from today’s WWDTM:
The correct answer on bluff-the-listener was a new product: Season Shot, which is made in various flavors with a biodegradable binder. No more number 4 shot in your teeth at Thanksgiving dinner.
I think this is just the thing for waterfowler, it comes in various flavors. Surely they’ll have one he likes.
hedera
November 11, 2006 at 12:09 pm
51Back to Veterans’ Day - yes, siobhan, the English take that day very seriously indeed. I’m just a little surprised that it was 11:00 AM exactly when the bell tolled at Heathrow. Historically, the moment of silence was at 11:11: the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month - the moment the guns stopped firing in 1918, the end of the war to end all wars. We wish. Maybe they moved it forward after the second war.
David
November 11, 2006 at 4:25 pm
52Lobsteramighty,
We held on. Florida v. Texas would be an intriguing matchup, Fowler, but at this point the Longhorns would have to be favored. We won ugly, we needed some luck, but it’s college football, and we won. Tuesday by a froghair in the Senate, and now Florida by a froghair. My heart can’t take a whole lot more of this.
Mojo
November 11, 2006 at 9:18 pm
53David; Florida once agains showed their ability to squeek by inferior opponents while Texas lost their second today. Any matchup against Florida would have to be in the Cheesy Poofs Snack Bowl or something of that order.
BTW, aren’t you guys buying your second or third copy of Adam’s book? Based on tonight’s Talk Show, Adam really, really needs to hold onto that staff writer job.
K. Malden
November 12, 2006 at 6:18 am
54She … then uncrosses and recrosses her legs. The angle is perfect. The chamber falls silent. Cheney slumps over.
Your surge protector! Don’t leave home without it!
Sister Omar Jonah BillyJack Obadiah O'Gillicugdy
November 12, 2006 at 6:53 am
55Adam. “HONK IF YOU LOVE MATZOH”?
Harold
November 12, 2006 at 7:22 am
56Adam: please, please tell me that you didn’t have to leave the Felberpalooza early and take a redeye back to Los Angeles just so you could CAVORT THROUGH SOMEBODY’S LAWN SPRINKLERS WHILE WEARING NOTHING BUT YOUR UNDERPANTS!!!!
‘Cause the clothing looked familiar before you removed it, as did the haven’t-shaved-in-two-days whiskers.
TalkShow keeps getting funnier and funnier.
waterfowler
November 12, 2006 at 7:52 am
57K-State hurt more than the “thumpin’”. Now I’m depressed. But I did hear the first snows pouring in last night w/ the latest cold front.
Hedera, thanks. I hadn’t heard of it, but it’s just in time for the snow goose migration.
Mr. Cooper, don’t be an asshat. Most birds I’ve seen w/ fish have them sideways. This one looked like a WWII torpedo plane, it just looked odd.
cooper
November 12, 2006 at 1:05 pm
58waterfowler, most birds are dumb as a post and will carry the fish sideways. Many of them so dumb they get shot from the sky flying over the seemingly safe expanse of Godforsaken wilderness, often referred to as Texas. Hope that helped - can’t do anything about the asshat part, as you can see.
cooper
November 12, 2006 at 1:18 pm
59hedera, does Season Shot come in Tex-Mex? See, waterfowler, I do try to look out for you. By the way wf, I didn’t point out above that ospreys are a special case. They probably did not reason out which way to carry the fish. Those that carry the fish head first have a survival advantage over the backward and sideways carriers. Such is life on this planet.
tess
November 12, 2006 at 3:38 pm
60Harold,
I saw that, too. So that really was what Adam was wearing to Felberpalooza? Maybe it was commentary that Adam needed a shower after catching a red-eye. I know I mention that to my boyfriend whenever he so much as thinks of skipping a shower.
Harold
November 12, 2006 at 4:33 pm
61I’m not sure…I need to compare the photos from the party to the video. Or just double-check to see if Adam was wearing his Felberpalooza T-shirt!
siobhan
November 12, 2006 at 4:39 pm
62Hedera, it could well have been 11:11 and not 11:00. It’s been 12 years, and my memory isn’t always trustworthy on the details. Besides, I don’t think I normally wore a watch back then.
Fowler, I just saw the osprey question. My answer is: I dunno.
The aerodynamics explanation is one I’ve often heard, but I don’t know how much difference it would make at their relatively slow flight speeds. Besides, the fish usually has a gaping mouth as it’s being hauled, which seems to negate the aero-advantage. Maybe it puts the osprey’s talons in the best position to finish off the fish quickly, so that it stops wiggling and is easier to hold onto.
I prepared a study skin of an osprey a few years ago, and they have a pretty cool adaptation for hauling slippery fish - the scales on the bottom of their feet are modified so that instead of being smooth, they’re coarse like really large-grit sandpaper. Awesome birds.
waterfowler
November 12, 2006 at 9:55 pm
63Mr. Coop,you’re still an asshat, but I hope to meet you one day @ a future ‘palooza.
Siobhan, thanks.
David
November 13, 2006 at 5:44 am
64Waterfowler,
I’m happy about the first thumpin’, of course, but sorry about what happened to the ‘Horns. Sounds like it was an ambush - one of those aspects of college football that hurt for the losing team, but also part of what makes college football what it is.
Mojo,
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Don’t kid yourself that South Carolina is a weak team.
Murray
November 13, 2006 at 9:53 am
65WF. I’ve worked with Osprey, their legs are the most shocking baby blue color you can imagine. They are incedibly rough and their beaks are very sharp. Normally when we got a new bird in we would have to force feed it for a day or two and we would wrap the bird in a towel to hold wings and talons (deadly on a GHO) in, grab the upper beak and pull the lower one down and stuff the food in on the side, as long as you avoided the point of the beak you were fine. Except with an osprey, the edge of their beaks were knife sharp and I ended up with bloody fingers more than once. The Ospreys we had also went for weeks needing to be force fed. As much as I enjoyed the blue footed raptors, they were hard to deal with. And yes they always fly with their fish forward. I’ve watched one catch a fish in a small pond surrounded by trees, the bird just couldn’t get enough speed to clear the trees and had to eventually land in one to eat the fish.
Well at least we didn’t make Adam run around at Felberpalooza in his underpants.
Murray
November 13, 2006 at 9:55 am
66BTW, go Wolverines! This Saturday will determine the year.
siobhan
November 13, 2006 at 11:23 am
67Murray, difficult as it sounds - how cool to work with osprey. When you got them in, how often was the cause something related to fishing lline entanglement? The skin I prepared had line deeply embedded in its wing joints; it made it to a rehab center but died soon after. Two others in our group’s collections also suffered that fate.
BTW, the very fine Audubon image of the osprey includes the classic forward facing fish.
Okay, I’ll stop talking birds for now.
Benjamin
November 13, 2006 at 11:29 am
68An interesting bit about osprey and how they carry their fish: Whether they are right clawed or left clawed (i.e., which claw is forward) is a learned behavoir. The young use the same positioning as the parent and they don’t switch hit, as it were. This was told to me by a behavioral ornithologiest colleague so it has high credibility to me. I don’t know if both parents give care to the young and if so what if a young bird has a right clawed father and a left clawed mother….
(I’m trying to create a metaphor for mixed religious or political party parentage but it is too forced)
libby
November 13, 2006 at 12:18 pm
69Man, you guys do make yourselves sound old, whether you are or not…I’m 24 and I know who George Burns and Grace Allen are. Me, over the hill?
David
November 13, 2006 at 4:34 pm
70libby,
From way on up the road, glad to see a 24-year-old posting. And remember, as Satchel Paige said, if you didn’t know how old you was, how old would you be? And from a card I saw - young, old, just words.
Re ospreys: I was on the St. Johns yesterday. Osprey to the right of us, osprey to left…and manatees in Blue Springs.
Murray,
I’m pulling for the Maize and Blue in The Showdown.
Murray
November 14, 2006 at 11:32 am
71Siobhan, both of the Ospreys we got in were shot in the wing. One survived the other didn’t. When you look at an Osprey in flight the wings look crooked, when you look at the x-rays the humor has a very strong bend in it. I assume it has to do with strength in order to survive hitting the water at a high speed.
I’m already nervous about the big game.
dee
November 14, 2006 at 11:56 am
72Between the playoffs, World Series, election and now the Big Game, my fingernails haven’t stood a chance since early October. They are down to bare nubbins now and you wouldn’t have believed how long and strong they were back in August.
Ah well. Perhaps by Christmas…
(: Tom :)
November 15, 2006 at 11:05 am
73What’s your Madam Nancy fantasy moment?
Fall, 2007 - Pelosi getting sworn in as president, with BabyDoc Putsch and Dead-Eye Dick being forced to watch (eyelids held open a la A Clockwork Orange) from their cells in the Hague.
cooper
November 15, 2006 at 8:35 pm
74Re: Osprey - When I was in Maine a number of years ago, I happened upon a scene where about a dozen people were in a semi-circle on a lake shore. In the middle of the circle and at the edge of the lake was an Osprey with it’s legs and wings caught-up in a wad of fishing line. A game warden was there (looking none too happy) using a ten foot pole with a knife tied to the end of the pole, trying to cut through the line and free the bird, and not wanting to be too close to the bird when it finally was loose. I just had a feeling that the warden had a history involving at least one close encounter with birds of prey. He was being very respectful.
Man, it is raining outside! Not a great night to be an outdoor kitty - the poor darlings.
David
November 15, 2006 at 8:45 pm
75(:Tom:),
You got my vote for best Frau Pelosi Traum.
Murray
November 16, 2006 at 6:39 am
76Having grabbed a Great Horned Owl in a tree and had to climb down using only one hand while holding an animal that can produce 250# of pressure on its needle sharp talons, I can understand the reluctance of the game warden. The trick is to throw a towel around it to hold the wings, talons and beak together while puting the bird in the dark to calm it.
I do this when ever I have to trim Thicket’s beak.
dee
November 17, 2006 at 5:45 am
77When I have to trim Olive’s nail I use a towel. But that’s only to wipe up my blood from trying to get her into the cat carrier to take her to the vet.
David
November 17, 2006 at 5:55 am
78Could we maybe employ some of those strategies directly on “W - The President”? We did at least toss a towel at His Royal Tunnelvisionness last Tuesday.
hedera
November 17, 2006 at 9:22 pm
79I had an unusual bird view last week: I saw a kestrel (as we later determined from Sibley) from above. This was on the Old Coast Road in Big Sur - at the top of the first hill you can look down on the power lines over the valley. The kestrel was flapping madly when we saw him and then settled on the wire for awhile. It’s really hard to identify a raptor from above and behind - it’s not a view that the bird books show… About the flapping: can’t they hover on thermals? He looked like he was trying to catch his balance.
siobhan
November 17, 2006 at 9:44 pm
80Oh, god, I swore I’d resist bird talk… but kestrels! I can’t help myself.
Kestrels do utilize thermals for trasportation, but for hunting they often rely on hovering by flapping. They can also make use of a strong updraft (at a seaside cliff, for example) to hang in place without flapping. Kestrels and kites use this hunting style a lot; you will also see it used on by roughlegs, redtails (occasionally) and (rarely) merlins.
Over the years in the Headlands, I’ve had a lot of opportunity to watch kestrels hunt, both flapping and non-flapping. It’s amazing to think about the flight dynamics that are involved with holding a place in the sky, even more amazing to watch it up close.
Kestrels are the best. Kestrels at Big Sur are the best, in the best location. My idea of perfection, Hedera.
(see any condors?)
hedera
November 17, 2006 at 9:54 pm
81It was a pretty gorgeous day. Sorry, no condors; one big silhouette raptor I couldn’t identify. I did get to watch the penguins at the Aquarium having their pictures taken. They climbed in the staffer’s lap (she scratched them under the chin; now I understand why she had waterproof coveralls on), tried to eat the photographer’s pants (twice, fortunately he was wearing tough twill), tried to eat his camera strap (at least 4 times) - they were hilarious. At one point the photographer raised his camera to focus it and had a penguin dangling from the strap. They look so cool and puzzled; there’s something kind of Marx Brothers about penguins.
And the shore bird exhibit now has two ruddy ducks and a bufflehead, they are so cool - they’re shaped exactly like rubber duckies. The docent said it took them days to bring themselves to get in the water with the leopard sharks but now they’re ok.
David
November 18, 2006 at 4:36 am
82siobhan,
Never apologize about commenting on birds.
Our resident red tail is as smooth as an owl when flying ‘mongst the live oaks. Cool to watch.
siobhan
November 18, 2006 at 8:55 pm
83David, with your dispensation I will freely comment on a bird. Today was a banding day. Not many birds around because it’s well past the peak of migration, but what’s left is usually quite interesting. We only banded one today, but she was phenomenal… a really robust, healthy adult female Cooper’s Hawk. (Coop, you have some damn good birds to share a name.) She was very large by west coast standards, and clearly had not missed any meals. I am a certified molt geek, and her plumage clearly told the story of a successful breeding bird - she was several years old, and her plumage said that she is absolutely in the prime of life and doing her part to keep the coop population healthy. It is so exciting to see such a fine bird up close. The other blinds picked up another adult coop, two adult redtails, a merlin and a handful of other juvenile accipiters and redtails.
David
November 19, 2006 at 5:41 am
84Way cool, siobhan. I do know a certified bird count geek, and I have a sister who is simply a bird geek, but a certified molt geek is a new concept to me. Love it.
Cooper seems like he might actually be at least part hawk.
Murray
November 22, 2006 at 5:41 am
85One of my closest friends combines his profession (Ornithology professor) with his love of music. John does research on Kestrel nesting and he uses his recording equipment to capture the sound of the chicks even prior to hatching.
Another friend of mine is named Brant. I asked him if he were named after the goose. He looked at me and said that no one had ever asked that before, but I was right. His parents were birders.