Without putting too fine a point on it, today the United States will enact a law that some say makes us stronger in our struggle against terror and others say condones torture and still others say makes it okay to molest circus clowns.
I think we can all agree that the third group in question is way off base. Frankly, I don’t know how they got into the discussion. But as for the other two opinions… let’s try something novel: Read the legislation. Right here.
To me, reading this was a welcome antidote to the glossy party-line opinions of our politicians. I learned things. For one thing, I learned that I hate reading legislation. That’s okay. Legislation is written that way on purpose.
So what else did I learn? It’s tempting to say that this Act is a field guide to what the enemy can now feel free to do to our men and women. And in a way, it is (though I doubt any enemy OR friend has the patience to plow through this when wondering whether it’s okay to remove one’s prisoner’s fingernails without the aide of a professional manicurist (as far as I can tell, the answer to that one is still “no.”)). But it’s too complicated, and it seems to say that things that might have been okay before 2005 might not be okay today, though using information obtained through that no-longer-okay means if you obtained it before it became not-okay… is okay.
That’s no help to any aspiring torturer from any country around the world. I realize that. My apologies.
But then again, that’s just a rough reading from a layman. You might have more luck. Have at it. Without your sober conclusions, I’m afraid that Mr. Binkles, currently residing in my basement, is in for a very hard time.





56 comments
waterfowler
October 17, 2006 at 1:30 am
1Pennywise is gonna get it now.
David, sorry ’bout your Gators. That #2 spot has been a curse this year. How did the ‘Horns go from #2 to #9 when their only loss was to #1?
David
October 17, 2006 at 5:26 am
2I see it’s being captioned as: “Bush signs tough new interrogation bill” instead of “Bush signs torture into US statutes.” Score another one for the front-page above-the-fold crowd.
WF,
It’s like the suicide seat. At least the BCS considers the Gators and the ‘Horns top tier teams. I think we’ll run the table for the rest of the season, so I’m hoping for the Sugar Bowl.
David
October 17, 2006 at 5:44 am
3Whoa, it’s already changed to: “Bush to sign law on terror suspects,” which is still loaded, but sounds appropriately proactive. Impressions matter.
Tom
October 17, 2006 at 7:48 am
4Any lawyers around who can translate this into something I can understand?
(From page 18) “TORTURE.—A statement obtained by use of torture shall not be admissible in a military commission under this chapter, except against a person accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made”.
Aaron
October 17, 2006 at 8:17 am
5Tom, I’m not a lawyer, but I think that means that statements obtained by torture can only be admitted to a tribunal if the tribunal is investigating allegations AGAINST the interrogator. Which is kind of absurd if you think about it. Your statements made while being tortured can only be added to the court records if you complain that you were tortured.
Or maybe its some kind of Zen koan. I dunno.
dee
October 17, 2006 at 8:22 am
6This is my favorite part so far:
‘‘(f) STATUS OF COMMISSIONS UNDER COMMON AR
TICLE 3.—A military commission established under this chapter is a regularly constituted court, affording all the necessary ‘judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples’ for purposes of common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.
‘‘(g) GENEVA CONVENTIONS NOT ESTABLISHING SOURCE OF RIGHTS.—No alien unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by military commission under this chapter may invoke the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights.
Soooo….the judicial guarantees are “indispensible” unless we decide we can dispense with them.
Ann
October 17, 2006 at 12:28 pm
7Dee, don’t overlook the pertinent phrase, “alien unlawful enemy combatant.” These are clearly not “civilized peoples,” so the judicial guarantees are not indispensible to them.
I love this new system—we don’t have to do what we think is right, we just have to do what we think “they” deserve.
Jim (OJNTNJ)
October 17, 2006 at 2:33 pm
8We can only hope that Bush inadvertently inserted his usual “except for me” signing statement, thereby revoking the expanded Presidential powers created by the bill.
sjelly
October 17, 2006 at 2:46 pm
9We’ve sat idly by while Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, and Rumsfeld arrogate to themselves all the powers of dictators. Hurrah for America may she rot in peace.
David
October 17, 2006 at 3:48 pm
10“alien unlawful enemy combatant.”
Reckon what were the authors smoking, and can we have some please? Such adversaries are traditionally thought of as small and green, and more likely to be visible to the really stoned. Does the Air Force really have the ones who crashed at Area 57 cryogenically frozen?
sjelly,
Illusory safety over the rights the greatest generation fought and died to preserve. The irony is really sickening.
ice weasel
October 17, 2006 at 4:02 pm
11This is a very sad, dark day for this country and yet another legacy that this administration will leave behind, like so many piles of shit, for someone else to clean up.
So much for the “adults” being in charge.
But hey, look at the bright side. Ken Lay’s conviction was extinguished today. Now there’ll be no criminal damages to collect.
This administration’s dedication to cronyism is breathtaking. Even in death, they take of their own.
soybean
October 17, 2006 at 5:19 pm
12One of the biggest things that pisses me off to end is that while Bush and his cronies spout Levidicus and (correct spelling?) and practically everything else in the Bible at us, he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that could even remotely distinguish him as the “good Christian” he never shuts up about being. Now, granted, I myself am not of the Christian faith, but if I remember correctly, and from what I do know, Jesus was an accepting, open-hearted, open-minded, and peaceful man who loved even those who opposed him. “Good Christian,” Bush? I, and many other civilized human beings, sincerely think not.
Hot Tub Tommy
October 17, 2006 at 7:32 pm
13Okay, Mr. Funnyguy, I got your message from the post last night, just as I was preparing for bed. I wanted to get dressed before driving down there, but Christine said “Go! Go already!”, so I went down to the park in my pajamas, walked over to the rock, paused - looking around carefully, got down on my hands and knees and talked to the rock. Just as I was finishing, a cop grabbed me from behind, cuffed me and we went down to the station house where I talked to the chief. I had no ID with me, of course, and the arresting officer was convinced I was the megalomaniac that had broken out of the mental facility earlier in the day. I certainly was dressed for the part. The more I insisted I was the former Majority Whip, the deeper I dug the hole. I eventually clammed up and insisted on speaking with my lawyer. He was not real happy about coming down to the detention center at 2:30 in the morning, but fuck him!
So I’ve made my offer, accept it or don’t. By the way, monkey boy, it was Challenger that blew up because of the o-rings, not Columbia! What a fuckin’ moe-ron!
David
October 17, 2006 at 7:54 pm
14Hot Tub Tommy,
Been wondering what was up with you. We pray for you every day. In fact, the Green Swamp Godpeople are holding a Pray for Hot Tub Tommy event this Sunday afternoon. It is an offense in the eyes of God, an abomination that stinks in His Nostrils, that the vast left wing conspiracy was able to take down one of God’s True Champions.
Challenger blew up on my birthday. I watched it in real time from the parking lot of Citizen’s Bank of Leesburg. Still appals me that safety took a back seat to egos and agendas.
ice weasel
October 18, 2006 at 5:08 am
15Oh, and while I am at it, jeers to NPR for their Fox-Lite news reporting on the Lay story. Nice job on this line,
“A court has finally cleared Ken Lay of any criminal wrong doing…”
Yeah, because we were all waiting for that to happen.
I won’t even go into the rest of the tragedy that has become NPR News.
Harold
October 18, 2006 at 8:56 am
16I did hear a reference yesterday on NPR to “high-fat soft drinks.” Now, I’ve always gotten a kick out of the presence of brominated vegetable oil in Mountain Dew, but I don’t think there’s ever been an issue with the fat content of soft drinks. (There was Porko-Cola, the high-lard drink with the refreshing taste of pork rinds in every can, but that is no longer on shelves for other reasons.)
Coraline
October 18, 2006 at 3:19 pm
17But what’s happening to Mr. Binkles in the meantime?
waterfowler
October 18, 2006 at 5:09 pm
18David, as I told one of the little rednecks earlier, upon hearing…Brian Williams?, the greatest generation hasn’t even been born yet.
Be an optimist for a while and quit thinking like an ACLU lawyer.
David
October 18, 2006 at 8:54 pm
19Actually, Waterfowler, I don’t think there’s any such thing as a greatest generation. And like you, I do tend to see marvelous potential in each new generation.
No reason to quit thinking like an ACLU lawyer. Optimism is a cornerstone of the ACLU. Otherwise we wouldn’t even try to protect and preserve the greatest political document ever written, which document’s most significant, most hope-filled component is its first ten amendments, the Bill of Rights.
I was a bit off on treatment of the ‘Horns in the polls, but still top 10 in the BCS. Doesn’t count for anything, but Florida’s strength of schedule is highest in the top 10 by a wide margin at #2. #1 is apparently somebody like Louisiana-Lafayette.
Dale
October 18, 2006 at 9:45 pm
20“We’ve sat idly by while Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, and Rumsfeld arrogate to themselves all the powers of dictators. Hurrah for America may she rot in peace.”
I don’t want to be sitting idly by, I just don’t know that/how I can change anything. Is there anything we (jo schmo blue state citizens) can do that might make a difference?
Siobhan
October 19, 2006 at 4:20 am
21It’s really easy to support some key swing races via actblue.com If you’re going to support races with $$, the time to do it is now. By the last week before election time, it’s too late for them to put the money to use.
Do some get out the vote stuff even in your blue state. Even though it won’t change the ratio in congress, making sure that there is a large margin of support might give a spinal transplant to some Ds out there.
David
October 19, 2006 at 6:06 am
22Amen to Siobhan’s advice.
Leaves are turning in WNC (and the sweet gums are turning back down on the edge of the Green Swamp, soon to be joined by the maples). I’m taking these natural phenomena as signs of beautiful changes November 7.
JOHN MURPHY
October 19, 2006 at 6:38 am
23Off topic. Check out this link. http://what-sucks.blogspot.com/
I like what this guy has to say, especially about that Dorkwad Bush, but can anyone tell me what he has against Mr. Felber. He as Fanaticalapathy listed in his links that suck.
Murray
October 19, 2006 at 6:53 am
24Speaking of Politics and asking what you can do-
Continuing the saga of Tony Barr.
The good news is that Esquire Magazine has endorsed Tony and he talked to a reporter with the Los Angeles Times, but so far most of the media is ignoring this district. There is a reason for that. Our opponent Bill Shuster who Esquire called an underperforming representative, has made his campaign strategy to hide and hope that Tony either goes away or is not noticed by anyone. So Shuster doesn’t hold press conferences or do rallies or anything.
I spent Sunday during the day and Monday evening doing door to door then attending rubber chicken dinners with Tony. One was 2 hours drive to the west and the other was over an hour to the east.
It’s hard to imagine the pace Tony is keeping up. His school wouldn’t give him leave (It could be politically motivated) so he works there till 3:30 and then either makes an appearance or does door to door. On Monday we each arrived home after 11:00 PM and he had to be up at 5:00 the next morning.
Tony still hasn’t hit the national media and the local papers and TV don’t see a race so he works with little notice.
The campaign has gotten about $30,000 so far which is a bit less than the million that Shuster has on hand.
If the people of the district could see how much work Tony does and how little Shuster does, if they could talk to each of them, if they compared what each wants to accomplish, Tony would win in a landslide. But the game is so very stacked against him and Tony only has the deep dissatisfaction of the voters to work with.
We think that this election is a toss up. Tony has a good chance of winning but it sure won’t be easy, this district has been Republican for the past 146 years.
In the past half year, I’ve gotten to meet numerous politicians and candidates, I’ve seen the best and the worst. People like Tony who have pure motives and want to change America back to being honest and fair to its people, and others in for vengeance, self promotion and personal gain.
If you want to help out, you can send a check to one of the most honest and hard working people I know. You can find out more at www.tonybarr2006.com. You won’t find a better cause for your money.
JOHN MURPHY
October 19, 2006 at 7:40 am
25Take the period “.” off the end of the above link if you want to view the page. The correct link is www.tonyarr2006.com
JOHN MURPHY
October 19, 2006 at 7:41 am
26Dammit now I misspelled it the correct link is
www.tonybarr2006.com
sorry for the confusion
Siobhan
October 19, 2006 at 7:55 am
27Murray, is anyone doing coverage of Tony’s race on Kos (via diaries)?
Siobhan
October 19, 2006 at 11:10 am
28On the other hand, does Shuster seem to spend any time around pages? That seems to be clearing the field pretty effectively right now. Truthfully, I’d rather be winning on issues, but if this is what it takes…
dee
October 19, 2006 at 11:28 am
29I know what you mean, Siobhan. After everything they’ve done to this country and the Constitution, I want them all tried for treason. But if pedophilia and the ensuing cover-up gets them out of office, I’ll take it.
I just want my country back.
JOHN MURPHY
October 19, 2006 at 11:45 am
30Come one
Who needs Habious Corpus anyway. We have George “Dorkwad” Bush protecting us from outer space now.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222019,00.html
Kip W
October 19, 2006 at 12:34 pm
31I think that should be without the “aid” of a professional manicurist, not “aide.” Damn it all, I’ve been reading your blog since 1978, and now you’ve gone and shot your credibility to hell with a typo.
Becca (and Brian)
October 19, 2006 at 2:01 pm
32Murray/Siobhan…I’ll check out Tony’s site and actblue and see if we can do a little something. (Though little may be the operative word at the moment with neither of us having jobs yet post-trip).
Thanks for providing a way of doing something. I echo Dale’s feelings of impotence and frustration. Though now that we’re back in the country again it’ll be easier to get involved in some grassroots orgs.
Oh..and the master was at it again: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167
He just seems to have a way to take all the incoherent rage and warnings and disgust in my head and state it in such an eloquent and forceful manner. I continually find myself saying “ditto” and “amen”
oh and Murray…thanks for the book and the t-shirt. I look forward to diving into the Ball this wekeend. And folks…Murray still has t-shirts…get them while they’re hot!
Becca (and Brian)
October 19, 2006 at 2:03 pm
33wow..I really must have done something to make Fanny mad. Oh well, if my Olbermann link comes in after everyone else has already been talking about it just now that as of comment number 32 it was still “new” news
Harold
October 19, 2006 at 2:12 pm
34Becca (and/or Brian)…try posting it a little at a time and maybe Fanny won’t bite. Or try just posting the link.
Becca (and Brian)
October 19, 2006 at 2:16 pm
35Following Harold’s recommendation, part one of comment:
Murray/Siobhan…I’ll check out Tony’s site and actblue and see if we can do a little something. (Though little may be the operative word at the moment with neither of us having jobs yet post-trip).
Thanks for providing a way of doing something. I echo Dale’s feelings of impotence and frustration. Though now that we’re back in the country again it’ll be easier to get involved in some grassroots orgs.
Becca (and Brian)
October 19, 2006 at 2:18 pm
36Following Harold’s recommendation I started posting it in sections. Part 1 was still rejected. I think I figured it out. I’ll substitute the offending word.
Murray/Siobhan…I’ll check out Tony’s site and actblue and see if we can do a little something. (Though little may be the operative word at the moment with neither of us having jobs yet post-trip).
Thanks for providing a way of doing something. I echo Dale’s feelings of [word that begins with I and means feelings of helplessness (or male inability to perform) and that makes Fanny mad] and frustration. Though now that we’re back in the country again it’ll be easier to get involved in some grassroots orgs.
Becca (and Brian)
October 19, 2006 at 2:20 pm
37IT WORKED! Yay.
Gotta like it when you can outsmart a rat. Part 2:
He just seems to have a way to take all the incoherent rage and warnings and disgust in my head and state it in such an eloquent and forceful manner. I continually find myself saying “ditto” and “amen”
oh and Murray…thanks for the book and the t-shirt. I look forward to diving into the Ball this wekeend. And folks…Murray still has t-shirts…get them while they’re hot
Becca (and Brian)
October 19, 2006 at 2:23 pm
38whoops. Of course I missed the part with the link. The following should be at the beginning of comment #37 and is what the “He” is referring to.
Oh..and the master was at it again: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167
Stephen
October 19, 2006 at 4:37 pm
39DANG!! That man can talk. It will be a miracle if he doesn’t end up as an enemy combatant himself.
George
October 19, 2006 at 6:26 pm
40Thanks for the link Becca (and Brian).
I wonder how many people are listening?
SeattleTammy
October 19, 2006 at 9:04 pm
41this is the hard question. How do we get the word out/convince others/what should we do?
We need to talk to the folks we know who believe this stuff. and we need to listen. my sister is a Revelations- Apocalypse type reationary. I blew her out a few years ago and she hasn’t mentioned it since. more recently she mentioned one of the Republicunts as being good to Indians (we’re Steilacooms- not recognized by Bolt) He turned out to be an Abrahmoff lackey who was implicated. I could use that as an opening with her, but I know I can’t afford to shout her out this time, I need to convince her. She stayed out in the small towns we grew up in- I’m the uppity one who went to town.
I’m convinced we all need to turn out for the marches. Noam Chomsky sez that was the turning point in the Viet Nam movement. If we all show up they can’t keep saying it was a march of 400 when you can see many more than that. that the emigrant marches were only 4,000. It was 40,000. I’m lucky to be right next to the Fed building and can attend the marches after work. I’ve seen them all cause my bus ain’t goin anywhere! so I join in! the high you get from being with others, amazing.
recommmended reading:
Conservatize Me! by John Moe
(we’re working on a signing!)
SeattleTammy
October 19, 2006 at 9:08 pm
42I apolgize for using the c-word. forgot where I was.
my bad.
SeaD will proof-read from now on.
Harold
October 20, 2006 at 4:02 am
43That’s why I prefer the similar-sounding term “Repugnicants”.
Lemuel
October 20, 2006 at 4:23 am
44I’ve decided to let you in on a little classified info. This is of the Hush-Hush-Need-to-Know-Eyes-Only variety, so ixnah the abbingbla! I hope you remember the fine amigos that helped me across the Mexican border a while back. The main players, Xerxes and Katia, are already millionaires – is this a great country or what?! Katia is an agricultural importer (all legal, not to worry) and Xerxes is a closeted computer geek. (Okay, not so closeted.) So, how many reading and contributing to this blog can claim this level of wealth and status - Mr. Delay, Adam (of course) and me (though truth be known, most of that money came from Mr. DeLay’s many secret accounts), but we’ve all worked hard at our swindles and are deserving of just rewards.
Anyway, I persuaded Xerxes to write a one-off software program for my sole use for the period of 1 year, after which he is free to take it to market and become a millionaire many more times over. With this program I can burrow into data banks with the anonymity of a stealth bomber over Baghdad. I was scanning Karl Rove’s Visa account and noted a recent purchase of interest – a 62” plasma flat screen TV, requiring high-tech installation. I was able to get myself onto the install team (trade secret, so don’t ask!). Once we were inside his compound, the security was considerably less stringent, so during lunch break I found myself, alone, wandering the halls of the mansion. A curious intellect has always been both my bane and my salvation, and I was letting this attribute lead me on to new discoveries. After rifling through Karl’s wall safe and pocketing a few documents which will ensure a comfortable and early retirement, I was next mysteriously drawn to the meat locker. Back in the very rear of the locker, on top of the 5 gallon plastic tub of Cajun fois gras, I was met by the blank stare of the October Surprise himself – the severed head of Osama bin Laden. Being a collector of some renown, I stuffed the head into a soft sided cooler, packing ice and cold packs all around, ditched the spare tire from the van, hid the cooler in the tire well, and clocked back in at 1:00, not having been missed at all by the other team members. I now have the head stored, shall we say, off-campus, along with a number of other choice items of varying monetary value, as insurance against rain days and Federal subpoenas. Life is, indeed, good!
Siobhan
October 20, 2006 at 11:43 am
45This has been posted on a few sites this morning, but it’s such a good piece that I hate for anyone to miss it. It’s by Kevin Tillman, Pat Tillman’s brother and, well…. read it..
hedera
October 20, 2006 at 8:49 pm
46If you read Kevin Tillman’s screed shortly after reading or listening to Keith Olbermann’s latest contribution, you will see that these two extremely different people are saying the same thing. In almost the same words. How long, oh Lobster? How long?
And on November 7, every blessed one of you, get out there and Vote Democrat, no matter how much they annoy you (they annoy me terribly) - they are our only opportunity to get power back from the hands of the Republiwhatevers.
David
October 21, 2006 at 5:50 am
47hedera,
Yeah. Basically, it’s time to throw out the enablers, even the otherwise not-so-bad ones, because their presence = continuation of the leadership, the machine, and the worst agenda ever inflicted on our civil body politic. Besides, a goodly number of Democrats do actually have a clue.
hedera
October 21, 2006 at 9:45 pm
48I’m hoping that Lemuel and his one-off software program stick with the data files of the people in Washington. Lemuel makes me just a little nervous…
Dale
October 21, 2006 at 10:23 pm
49But please, please, Democrats–remember, the goal is not to win the majority on November 7! The goal is to write and pass intelligent, compassionate, constitutional, funded legislation. Elections, majorities etc. are necessary (but not sufficient) means to that end. I get so frustrated when wonks and political junkies scheme and strategize about the elections as if winning were an end in itself. Politics are not sports. If a team (hopefully the Tigers!) wins the World Series, that’s it, they won it all. If the Dems win a majority but don’t accomplish anything, it just makes it harder for a real reformer in the future.
Hot Tub Tommy
October 22, 2006 at 1:12 am
50Be afraid, hedera. Be very afraid! Damn, that’s fun; no wonder Cheney keep’s doing it.
David
October 22, 2006 at 8:30 am
51Dale,
Part of the reason for optimism is the context in which victory seems possible now, and if Dems are in power, progressive voices cannot be locked in the basement. But you are right, victory at the polls is necessary but not sufficient.
Enlightenment
November 4, 2006 at 10:35 pm
52Speaking of the “war on terror”, specifically the event that precipitated it…
One thing that struck me as odd in the days after 9/11 was Bush saying “We will not tolerate conspiracy theories [regarding 9/11]”. Sure enough there have been some wacky conspiracy theories surrounding the events of that day. The most far-fetched and patently ridiculous one that I’ve ever heard goes like this: Nineteen hijackers who claimed to be devout Muslims but yet were so un-Muslim as to be getting drunk all the time, doing cocaine and frequenting strip clubs decided to hijack four airliners and fly them into buildings in the northeastern U.S., the area of the country that is the most thick with fighter bases. After leaving a Koran on a barstool at a strip bar after getting shitfaced drunk on the night before, then writing a suicide note/inspirational letter that sounded like it was written by someone with next to no knowledge of Islam, they went to bed and got up the next morning hung over and carried out their devious plan. Nevermind the fact that of the four “pilots” among them there was not a one that could handle a Cessna or a Piper Cub let alone fly a jumbo jet, and the one assigned the most difficult task of all, Hani Hanjour, was so laughably incompetent that he was the worst fake “pilot” of the bunch. Nevermind the fact that they received very rudimentary flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station, making them more likely to have been C.I.A. assets than Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. So on to the airports. These “hijackers” somehow managed to board all four airliners with their tickets, yet not even ONE got his name on any of the flight manifests. So they hijack all four airliners and at this time passengers on United 93 start making a bunch of cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air to tell people what was going on. Nevermind the fact that cell phones wouldn’t work very well above 4,000 feet, and wouldn’t work at ALL above 8,000 feet. But the conspiracy theorists won’t let that fact get in the way of a good fantasy. That is one of the little things you “aren’t supposed to think about”. Nevermind that one of the callers called his mom and said his first and last name, more like he was reading from a list than calling his own mom. Anyway, when these airliners each deviated from their flight plan and didn’t respond to ground control, NORAD would any other time have followed standard operating procedure (and did NOT have to be told by F.A.A. that there were hijackings because they were watching the same events unfold on their own radar) which means fighter jets would be scrambled from the nearest base where they were available on standby within a few minutes, just like every other time when airliners stray off course. But of course on 9/11 this didn’t happen, not even close. Somehow these “hijackers” must have used magical powers to cause NORAD to stand down, as ridiculous as this sounds because total inaction from the most high-tech and professional Air Force in the world would be necessary to carry out their tasks. So on the most important day in its history the Air Force was totally worthless. Then they had to make one of the airliners look like a smaller plane, because unknown to them the Naudet brothers had a videocamera to capture the only known footage of the North Tower crash, and this footage shows something that is not at all like a jumbo jet, but didn’t have to bother with the South Tower jet disguising itself because that was the one we were “supposed to see”. Anyway, as for the Pentagon they had to have Hani Hanjour fly his airliner like it was a fighter plane, making a high G-force corkscrew turn that no real airliner can do, in making its descent to strike the Pentagon. But these “hijackers” wanted to make sure Rumsfeld survived so they went out of their way to hit the farthest point in the building from where Rumsfeld and the top brass are located. And this worked out rather well for the military personnel in the Pentagon, since the side that was hit was the part that was under renovation at the time with few military personnel present compared to construction workers. Still more fortuitous for the Pentagon, the side that was hit had just before 9/11 been structurally reinforced to prevent a large fire there from spreading elsewhere in the building. Awful nice of them to pick that part to hit, huh? Then the airliner vaporized itself into nothing but tiny unidentifiable pieces no bigger than a fist, unlike the crash of a real airliner when you will be able to see at least some identifiable parts, like crumpled wings, broken tail section etc. Why, Hani Hanjour the terrible pilot flew that airliner so good that even though he hit the Pentagon on the ground floor the engines didn’t even drag the ground!! Imagine that!! Though the airliner vaporized itself on impact it only made a tiny 16 foot hole in the building. Amazing. Meanwhile, though the planes hitting the Twin Towers caused fires small enough for the firefighters to be heard on their radios saying “We just need 2 hoses and we can knock this fire down” attesting to the small size of it, somehow they must have used magical powers from beyond the grave to make this morph into a raging inferno capable of making the steel on all forty-seven main support columns (not to mention the over 100 smaller support columns) soften and buckle, then all fail at once. Hmmm. Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers’ magical powers or explosives. To emphasize their telekinetic prowess, later in the day they made a third building, WTC # 7, collapse also at freefall rate though no plane or any major debris hit it. Amazing guys these magical hijackers. But we know it had to be “Muslim hijackers” the conspiracy theorist will tell you because (now don’t laugh) one of their passports was “found” a couple days later near Ground Zero, miraculously “surviving” the fire that we were told incinerated planes, passengers and black boxes, and also “survived” the collapse of the building it was in. When common sense tells you if that were true then they should start making buildings and airliners out of heavy paper and plastic so as to be “indestructable” like that magic passport. The hijackers even used their magical powers to bring at least seven of their number back to life, to appear at american embassies outraged at being blamed for 9/11!! BBC reported on that and it is still online. Nevertheless, they also used magical powers to make the american government look like it was covering something up in the aftermath of this, what with the hasty removal of the steel debris and having it driven to ports in trucks with GPS locators on them, to be shipped overseas to China and India to be melted down. When common sense again tells you that this is paradoxical in that if the steel was so unimportant that they didn’t bother saving some for analysis but so important as to require GPS locators on the trucks with one driver losing his job because he stopped to get lunch. Hmmmm. Further making themselves look guilty, the Bush administration steadfastly refused for over a year to allow a commission to investigate 9/11 to even be formed, only agreeing to it on the conditions that they get to dictate its scope, meaning it was based on the false pretense of the “official story” being true with no other alternatives allowed to be considered, handpicked all its members making sure the ones picked had vested interests in the truth remaining buried, and with Bush and Cheney only “testifying” together, only for an hour, behind closed doors, with their attorneys present and with their “testimonies” not being recorded by tape or even written down in notes. Yes, this whole story smacks of the utmost idiocy and fantastic far-fetched lying, but it is amazingly enough what some people believe. Even now, five years later, the provably false fairy tale of the “nineteen hijackers” is heard repeated again and again, and is accepted without question by so many Americans. Which is itself a testament to the innate psychological cowardice of the American sheeple, i mean people, and their abject willingness to believe something, ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous in order to avoid facing a scary uncomfortable truth. Time to wake up America.
George
November 5, 2006 at 12:22 pm
53So … what are you trying to say?
SeattleDan
November 8, 2006 at 3:11 pm
54Hey, why did Fanny let that one through?
Harold
November 8, 2006 at 3:15 pm
55Fanny wants a free RAZR cell phone too!
FANNY COME SAVE US FROM SPAM!
November 8, 2006 at 3:17 pm
56You lazy rat. What, are you all drunk with power now that the Democrats are large and in charge again? Get to work! There’s a spammer afoot, and YOU let him pass!