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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20249</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that the War on Drugs has been pretty useless, but that doesn't mean that folks should be able to go down to their local 7-11 and pick up some Crack for the weekend.

I suspect that having drugs available legally will inevitably make it easier for kids to get drugs.  The more road blocks in the way the better.  Legal alcohol hasn't exactly made our high school kids tea toadlers.

I admit that I'm pretty selfish on this one... I think my kids are less likely to do drugs if drugs are against the law.  That may not be true for a lot of other kids.

I also agree that there has been more than enough "toughness" in our political discussions... wouldn't it be nice if we elected our leaders for how &lt;i&gt;smart&lt;/i&gt; they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the War on Drugs has been pretty useless, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that folks should be able to go down to their local 7-11 and pick up some Crack for the weekend.</p>
<p>I suspect that having drugs available legally will inevitably make it easier for kids to get drugs.  The more road blocks in the way the better.  Legal alcohol hasn&#8217;t exactly made our high school kids tea toadlers.</p>
<p>I admit that I&#8217;m pretty selfish on this one&#8230; I think my kids are less likely to do drugs if drugs are against the law.  That may not be true for a lot of other kids.</p>
<p>I also agree that there has been more than enough &#8220;toughness&#8221; in our political discussions&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if we elected our leaders for how <i>smart</i> they are?
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20181</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rick,

You assume the current drug laws, and the war on drugs in general, are reducing the likelihood of your children getting involved with drugs.  I think neither is true.  I also heard on NPR, I think, that the anti-drug ads, especially the overwrought ones, are actually piquing the interest of children in drugs.  I also think that the fact that drugs are illegal, thereby making them a major black market profit center, serves as an incentive for trafficking, which law enforcement has proved pretty ineffectual in stopping.  I share your revulsion at children using drugs.  I just think we need to be a whole lot smarter about how we deal with the problem.  I am beyond disgusted by politicians posturing as tough on drugs, tough on crime, tough on terrorism, tough on (fill in the blank, including the blank look on their faces when reality occasionally dope slaps them, like it did on 9/11, at least in part because the Bush administration couldn't be bothered with terrorism pre-9/11 - they had other agendas, including Star Wars and other opium dreams).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>You assume the current drug laws, and the war on drugs in general, are reducing the likelihood of your children getting involved with drugs.  I think neither is true.  I also heard on NPR, I think, that the anti-drug ads, especially the overwrought ones, are actually piquing the interest of children in drugs.  I also think that the fact that drugs are illegal, thereby making them a major black market profit center, serves as an incentive for trafficking, which law enforcement has proved pretty ineffectual in stopping.  I share your revulsion at children using drugs.  I just think we need to be a whole lot smarter about how we deal with the problem.  I am beyond disgusted by politicians posturing as tough on drugs, tough on crime, tough on terrorism, tough on (fill in the blank, including the blank look on their faces when reality occasionally dope slaps them, like it did on 9/11, at least in part because the Bush administration couldn&#8217;t be bothered with terrorism pre-9/11 - they had other agendas, including Star Wars and other opium dreams).
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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20131</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cooper:
Um, actually, my point is exactly the opposite... there were churches that &lt;i&gt;did &lt;/i&gt; have a problem with it, and they started the Freedom movement and the civil rights movement.

There were plenty of churches that had no problem at all with slavery, to be sure. All I'm saying is that the Civil rights movement was born and organized in churches, and that the vast majority of the people who marched did so because they believed that &lt;i&gt;God &lt;/i&gt; made all people equal.  To say that things didn't happen that way is to attempt to re-write history.

Thanks for wishing me a nice day!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooper:<br />
Um, actually, my point is exactly the opposite&#8230; there were churches that <i>did </i> have a problem with it, and they started the Freedom movement and the civil rights movement.</p>
<p>There were plenty of churches that had no problem at all with slavery, to be sure. All I&#8217;m saying is that the Civil rights movement was born and organized in churches, and that the vast majority of the people who marched did so because they believed that <i>God </i> made all people equal.  To say that things didn&#8217;t happen that way is to attempt to re-write history.</p>
<p>Thanks for wishing me a nice day!  <img src='http://fanaticalapathy.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: cooper</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20128</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 00:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rick, so you say. Actually, the origins of both movements were in the institution of slavery, which, by the way, the Christian Church didn't seem to have that much of a problem with. Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, so you say. Actually, the origins of both movements were in the institution of slavery, which, by the way, the Christian Church didn&#8217;t seem to have that much of a problem with. Have a nice day.
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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20118</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cooper, the history on both movements is very clear.  They both owe their existence large groups of Christians inspired by the teachings of Jesus.  Others joined the movements later in their development, but there is no doubt that their origins were in Christian churches.

I also think that you over estimate the number of non-believers in those marches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooper, the history on both movements is very clear.  They both owe their existence large groups of Christians inspired by the teachings of Jesus.  Others joined the movements later in their development, but there is no doubt that their origins were in Christian churches.</p>
<p>I also think that you over estimate the number of non-believers in those marches.
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		<title>by: cooper</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20105</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rick, above you stated "that the abolitionist movement and the civil rights movements both owe their very existence to motivated Christians ..." Perhaps that statement is partially true. I'm sure that was the case for some of the demonstrators. I'm equally sure that a significant number of protesters were simply tired of getting their heads kicked in solely because of the color of their skin. Any religious platitudes swirling in the air around them were tolerated by these people merely as an means to an end, even if it did make their skin crawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, above you stated &#8220;that the abolitionist movement and the civil rights movements both owe their very existence to motivated Christians &#8230;&#8221; Perhaps that statement is partially true. I&#8217;m sure that was the case for some of the demonstrators. I&#8217;m equally sure that a significant number of protesters were simply tired of getting their heads kicked in solely because of the color of their skin. Any religious platitudes swirling in the air around them were tolerated by these people merely as an means to an end, even if it did make their skin crawl.
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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20078</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And I don't expect perfect solutions; I'm just suggesting that you may be throwing out the baby with the bath water.  I'm glad there are drug laws in place, not because I think drug abuse is anti-christian but because drug abuse is anti-kids.  Anything that may deter my kids from getting into drugs is a good thing in my book.

I should think that as someone who seems to be a feminist, you would see anyone who is forced to sell their bodies for money would be a victim of a crime.  Isn't that the most obvious way to treat someone as "subhuman", to rent them out like a DVD?  And let’s not kid ourselves, the vast majority of those who find themselves in that "trade" are in it to support their drug habit, not to buy a house.  Still think they aren't victims in need of help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t expect perfect solutions; I&#8217;m just suggesting that you may be throwing out the baby with the bath water.  I&#8217;m glad there are drug laws in place, not because I think drug abuse is anti-christian but because drug abuse is anti-kids.  Anything that may deter my kids from getting into drugs is a good thing in my book.</p>
<p>I should think that as someone who seems to be a feminist, you would see anyone who is forced to sell their bodies for money would be a victim of a crime.  Isn&#8217;t that the most obvious way to treat someone as &#8220;subhuman&#8221;, to rent them out like a DVD?  And let’s not kid ourselves, the vast majority of those who find themselves in that &#8220;trade&#8221; are in it to support their drug habit, not to buy a house.  Still think they aren&#8217;t victims in need of help?
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		<title>by: Harold</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20069</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maybe you mentioned "wing-tip shoes".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you mentioned &#8220;wing-tip shoes&#8221;.
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		<title>by: hedera</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20064</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is a first - Fanny has trapped a comment of mine in the spam filter.    For the record, I was trying to reply civilly to Rick but something I said must have given Fanny indigestion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a first - Fanny has trapped a comment of mine in the spam filter.    For the record, I was trying to reply civilly to Rick but something I said must have given Fanny indigestion&#8230;
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		<title>by: hedera</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2006/09/17/im-so-sorry-that-the-truth-is-so-upsetting-to-you/#comment-20052</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Rick, I never said there were any perfect solutions.  I think we will all be better off, however, if we quit trying to protect ourselves from ourselves and from each other, and start taking responsibility for our actions.  Depending on the government to protect you from your abusive, alcoholic or drug-addicted (father, husband, boyfriend, wife, girlfriend, whatever - pick one) really works well, doesn't it?

And prostitution would be a lot easier on the women who practice it, for whatever reason, if they were regarded as legitimate tradeswomen, had health insurance, and got to keep their earnings themselves.  They are brutalized by their pimps because the pimps, like everyone else, regard them as subhuman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I never said there were any perfect solutions.  I think we will all be better off, however, if we quit trying to protect ourselves from ourselves and from each other, and start taking responsibility for our actions.  Depending on the government to protect you from your abusive, alcoholic or drug-addicted (father, husband, boyfriend, wife, girlfriend, whatever - pick one) really works well, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>And prostitution would be a lot easier on the women who practice it, for whatever reason, if they were regarded as legitimate tradeswomen, had health insurance, and got to keep their earnings themselves.  They are brutalized by their pimps because the pimps, like everyone else, regard them as subhuman.
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