“Are there setbacks? Yes. Are there things that people can’t anticipate? Yes. Does the enemy have a brain and continue to make adjustments on the ground requiring our forces to make adjustments? You bet,” he said.
“Is that going to continue to be the case? I think so. Is this problem going to get solved in the near term about this long struggle against violent extremism? No, I don’t believe it is.”
- Donald Rumsfeld, responding to criticism earlier today
————–
Is the war going as planned? No. Do wars ever go as planned? Of course not. Do I wish this war was going better? Sure.
Will this sectarian violence continue? Probably. Is it a civil war? No. Do we have any hard-and-fast way of distinguishing “sectarian violence” from “a civil war?” Not really. Is there, however, a general consensus that this isn’t a civil war at this moment? You bet. Would I tell you if I thought it was? It depends.
Are we going to win this war? Of course. Will we win it any time soon? Probably not. Can I tell you what I mean by “win?” No I can’t. Is there a chance that I’m wrong? Sure, of course, that’s always a possibility. But am I doing the thing that I think is the right thing to do? Naturally I am. Isn’t that what everyone says about their jobs? Sure. Does that make me right, though? No, it doesn’t.
Was there a better way to go about conducting this war? Yes. But isn’t that true of any war in the history of the world? Yes it is. So is that all hindsight, then? Partly.
Do I think about this war all the time? Yes. Do I still find time for my hobbies and my family? You bet I do. Do I watch “So You Think You Can Dance?” Yes. Do I think that Allison got a raw deal from the viewing public? Probably - she was quite a dancer. But am I a dance expert? No, I am not.
Is the war going to be over soon? I don’t think so. Will the war outlast my tenure as Secretary of Defense? I believe it will. Do I feel bad about saddling my successor with this? Sure I do. Does it keep me up nights? Not frequently. Do other things keep me up at night? Sometimes. Are the things that keep me up strictly work-related? No, not always. What else keeps me up at night? Personal stuff. Do I want to talk about it? No I don’t.
Do I worry that I will go down in history as one of the great bunglers of the 21st century? Sure. Do I think that such a summation would be accurate? Not at all. Do I see a way out of this spiral of violence and unrest? Not really. Does “So You Think You Can Dance” help? Only a little. Does it help LESS now that Allison’s gone? Signs point to yes. Am I having some sort of a breakdown? Reply hazy, ask again.
Am I going to resign from my post? Possibly. Do I want to resign? Of course not. Does my wife think my crush on Allison is harmless? She does, in some ways. Does she think I’m displacing my anxiety about my military decisions by fixating on a dancing hottie? You bet. Did I in some ways subsequently equate Allison’s dismissal by the American public with my own current unpopularity? I did. Did this reinforce an already strong identification and fixation? It’s entirely possible. Can I guarantee that Iraq will be stabilized? No I cannot. Do I think it will be? Yes I do. Am I sort of fudging that previous answer because I’ve cleverly designed my own rhetorical question to be fairly unspecific? Of course.
Will I leave my wife of 52 years for some dancer I’ve seen on TV? It seems unlikely. Would I, if Allison would have me? Yes, I probably would. Am I in some ways hoping that Allison reads this and realizes that she does, in fact, love me? On some level I’m sure I am. Do I have any quick and easy solutions for the war in Iraq? I do not. How about Afghanistan? Not there, either. Israel and Lebanon? No.
Would running off with a cute dancer be a psychologically transparent means of running away from my problems and justifying my resignation? Probably. Would I do it anyway? I think I would. Will Iraq’s infrastructure ever be repaired to the point where the general public feels a gut-level confidence in the western-style democracy we’ve installed there? I hope so. Is that going to happen soon? Of course not. Was Allison’s Argentine Tango with Ivan the moment I really fell for her? I think it was. Do some Iraqis feel they were safer under Saddam Hussein? I’m sure many do. Were they safer? It depends. Do I want to encourage Allison to give me a call if she thinks this can work? You bet I do.





42 comments
SeattleDan
August 3, 2006 at 10:10 pm
1Does Allison (my aim is true), have a phone number?
SeattleTammy
August 3, 2006 at 10:51 pm
2Dear Dan and Allison:
I’m just “Watching the Detectives”
YLlama
August 3, 2006 at 11:25 pm
3Am I a dance expert? Of course not. Am I a professional appreciator of dance? Perhaps. Can I tell the difference between Allison’s captivating moves and the insurgents’ captivating moves? I should hope so. Will I waltz my way into retirement in a couple of years? It seems likely.
Scooby
August 4, 2006 at 6:25 am
4Would I be willing to bet that Cheney and Rumsfeld will pull a “Ken Lay” to avoid accountability? You bet!
David
August 4, 2006 at 6:26 am
5Dammit, I didn’t know there was a show called “So You Think You Can Dance,” so I don’t even have the option of obsessing over Allison. I do know Sir Charles is running for governor of Alabama. Were I a ‘Bamian, I’d vote for him simply because he called W the worst president ever on The Best Damned Sports Show, Period. Also, I think he threatened to throw lobbyists out the window, and his threats are for real.
Meanwhile, I’m most happy Adam’s political wit pen is still fully loaded with incisive ink.
Scooby
August 4, 2006 at 6:33 am
6I especially loved Rummy’s quote from a few years ago…
it went something like “there are the things that we know, and there are the things we know that we don’t know which are unknown, ya know?”…
help me out here…
but it was pure genius!
Chris B
August 4, 2006 at 6:40 am
7You go to war with the rhetoric you have, not the rhetoric you want.
siobhan
August 4, 2006 at 7:01 am
8“Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don’t know we don’t know”
… for which he won the annual prize from the British Plain English Campaign (details here). Another gem of a quote from that same article:
“I believe what I said yesterday. I don’t know what I said, but I know what I think… and I assume it’s what I said”
SmokinJ
August 4, 2006 at 7:20 am
9Rumsfeld always gives the impression that he thinks he is so much more intelligent than his audience that he has to lead us through the interview. Basically anticipating all of our questions, paraphrasing them, then asking and answering. It’s this condescending attitude that gets on my nerves.
David: A while back Charles said that he was a republican because he wanted to keep his money. The other day, when asked why he would run as a Democrat, he said something to the effect of “I was a Republican until they lost their minds.” I thought that was classic. Being a resident of the state of Alabama, I will most likely vote for Sir Charles, if he runs. I think he has some good ideas for helping the poor and improving education. I have my doubts whether he’ll win. Half the morons in the state won’t vote for him ’cause he’s black. The other half of the morons won’t vote for him because he went to Auburn. And as we all know, Alabama probably has more than its fair share of morons.
unclewilly
August 4, 2006 at 8:09 am
10Is Felber funny as hell. Dern tootin’.
piglet
August 4, 2006 at 10:07 am
11SmokinJ: amen on Rumsfeld’s condescending attitude, even in the face of all the evidence of his bunglefest.
That little shake of the head he gave to Hilary Clinton, as if to say, “what has the world come to that I have to put up with this little gal’s sassing” made me want to do some random violence.
siobhan
August 4, 2006 at 11:14 am
12Well, Piglet, if you did do some random violence, it’s not like Rummy has any sort of plan to stop it.
Ann
August 4, 2006 at 1:10 pm
13I love the constant refrain that decisions reflect “the best judgment at the time.” In this case, Rummy says that troop levels were based on what was the best judgment of commanders and civilian leadership. The unavoidable conclusion is that those people don’t have good judgment—why should we continue to listen to them?
When NOTHING goes according to plan, does that reflect badly on the planners? Yes, I think it does.
nato
August 4, 2006 at 1:19 pm
14WTF? Am I living in a parallel universe, or did (canned) General Shisenski (I really ought to look up the spelling. Grr.) not state that more troops were needed before we began Operation Clusterfuck, or whatever it is called, in Iraq? In what reality does “the best judgment of the time” not include people who don’t just pull numbers out of their collective asses? Sigh . . . Rummy makes me grumpy.
waterfowler
August 4, 2006 at 2:17 pm
15Is WTF shorthand for WaTerFowler?
Sorry I missed the last birding discussion. I was getting “salty” and watching dirty pelicans and frigates, herons, gulls, and even a ‘gator. We also caught a few trout and boiled some crab.
Y’all can bitch about who or whatever in this administration, but you’re gonna hafta come to grips w/ the fact that they still WANT TO CUT YOUR HEAD OFF. And your kids, and your Grandma’s, and anyone else that doesn’t do as they say. Are the lefties prepared to protect us from that? Not if we look @ slick willie’s record.
siobhan
August 4, 2006 at 2:26 pm
16Hey fowler… I was wondering where you’d gone (and where’s Cooper, for that matter?)
dee
August 4, 2006 at 3:18 pm
17I think cooper’s in Maine, enjoying relatively cooler temperatures.
wf — to just what part of slick willie’s record are you referring? Surely not this part:
In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation — from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) — that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton’s watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.
John Harris, Washington Post
I can’t see where this adminstration’s approach has been any more successful, and neither can over 2500 of our sons and daughters.
Mojo
August 4, 2006 at 3:53 pm
18“they still WANT TO CUT YOUR HEAD OFF”
Oh my goodness! Who are “they” and why do they want to cut my head off in particular? Is it my snarky comments? And if we’re not sure exactly which people want to cut my head off, can we just kill or lock up everybody who looks kind of like them, just to be safe? Sounds great! There’s a load off my mind.
But lets not start until next month since I’ll be in Mesa, AZ all next week and they just caught a couple of white guys there who’ve shot 18 people over the past few months. I’d hate to be bombed or waterboarded just because I’m a white guy in Mesa. That’s fine for other people, but you and I need to be treated differently.
tess
August 4, 2006 at 6:34 pm
19Mojo,
I thought ‘fowler was talking about the administration wanting to cut our heads off. That sounds about right to me.
As for Barkley running for gov’r, I just remember what one of my fellow grad students said about celebrities running for office: “I think that Barkley would do a good job. I mean, look at Schwartzeneggar.”
I’m still trying to figure out how this guy manages to find employment.
SeattleDan
August 4, 2006 at 7:53 pm
20Hey, Ann, are you back? If so, welcome back! As to bad planning, didn’t you get the memo? It was bad Intel. Yep. Bad information from the CIA. I thought everyone knew that by now.
Fran
August 4, 2006 at 8:14 pm
21The CIA gives bad intel? When did this start? Damn, I miss all the good stuff.
Or maybe I should’ve phrased it differently: Does the CIA give bad intel? Well yes, sometimes I suppose, but then everyone makes mistakes now and then, except of course when they don’t.
And y’all don’t worry about them coming to cut off your heads. I’m the uppity lesbian, so it’s MY head they want to cut off. Unless, you know, they don’t. I’d ask Rumsfeld but I’m confused enough for one day.
SeattleDan
August 4, 2006 at 8:39 pm
22Fran, maybe bad intel is like bad sex….when is it ever really bad?
Anyone notice that Rummy’s answers in Adam’s initial post could have come off a Magic 8-Ball?
David
August 4, 2006 at 9:37 pm
23tess,
Sir Charles is cut from different cloth than der Groppenfuhrer. And he’s running for very different reasons. Smokin’ J’s paraphrase captures Sir Charles quite well. And unlike Arnie, Sir Charles has a reasonable grasp on reality, given what he has said both about Bush and about the contemporary Republican Party.
Also of note: …today Oklahoma state senator and minority whip Nancy Riley switched parties from Republican to Democrat, saying “The moderate Republican has been pushed aside for the extreme right wing. I was totally disregarded. The moderate Republican no longer has a voice.”
Sporty
August 4, 2006 at 9:54 pm
24Could someone talk like that all day and night? Yep. Would that be a good way to make sure no hard questions get asked and answered? You betcha. Am I just crazy or crazy like a fox? Depends. Has it worked so far with my boss? You bet!
Sandy
August 5, 2006 at 7:48 am
25Kinky Friedman (author and country musician) is running for governor here in Texas. One of his slogans is “Kinky for Governor: How Hard Could It Be?”
I think this is because our last two governors (Bush and Perry) have been such dolts, and the state is still more or less moving along.
I would certainly prefer Charles Barkley over either of the last two.
another Matt
August 5, 2006 at 9:11 am
26“Kinky for Governor. Why the Hell not?”
If I still lived in Texas, I’d vote for him. As one of his Texas Jewboys songs went “They Don’t Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore”. I’m sure Mel Gibson would agree.
Sharon
August 5, 2006 at 9:57 am
27Kinky Friedman almost makes me wish I stilled lived in Texas, just so’s I could vote for him.
SeattleDan
August 5, 2006 at 10:10 pm
28Hey, I’m back! Got the smokes and the beer…hey, where did everybody go? Hello, where ya hidin’? C’mon out! Hello….
Dave D
August 6, 2006 at 7:09 am
29Hey tess,
I’m sure wf *was* talking about the administration. Certainly they have guaranteed that my children and grandchildren will have to pay higher taxes to pay off their failed wars and other misadventures (not to mention Halliburton’s record profits) since they are so unwilling to do so. Certainly my children and grandchildren will be less secure thanks to the efforts of this administration to “internationalize” our economy, ensuring that there will be no good paying jobs other than CXO, not to mention the great harm they have done to the image of America and Americans.
There is no doubt that this administration (and those that hold their views) are the greatest threat to my (and my children’s and grandchildren’s) future (and current) well being.
Susie
August 6, 2006 at 7:40 am
30Holy crap this post is good. Love the rapid fire assault!
cooper
August 6, 2006 at 5:42 pm
31Well, hello, sportsfans! I’ve got to tell you that when I left Maine this morning, the temperature was a brisk dry 55 F with hints of autumn wafting in the air. When I got off the plane in Charlotte, I walked into a wall of heat and humidity (August is known locally as the 2nd circle of Hell). Oh well, fun while it lasted. So, did I miss anything?
siobhan
August 6, 2006 at 6:51 pm
32Well, you missed us, didn’t you?
David
August 6, 2006 at 8:22 pm
33Dave D,
Amen and amen.
Cooper,
I was in Hendersonville last week. The ‘Villians were complaining mightily about the heat. I was in hog heaven, having left the 5th circle of hell, aka Orlando. Love those mountains.
Harold
August 7, 2006 at 8:28 am
34Are you welcome at McDonald’s? It seems possible. May I take your order? That would be a reasonable assumption. Would you like fries with that? Certainly, others have held that position.
- D.R., prepping for his new career
Dale
August 7, 2006 at 12:14 pm
35Can I make you a license plate with a customized border? My current institution of employment does not currently offer that option. Am I willing to perform homosexual sex acts in exchange for soap? Under certain circumstances. Do I have a choice? It seems unlikely.
–D.R., prepping for his new career
Murray
August 7, 2006 at 3:21 pm
36Ahh… Don’t you just love those who can employ the ridiculous to defend the indefensible?
Rummy and about 9 other remaining true believers are the only ones who can defend this agonizingly incompetent debacle with out choking, and yet he can with all the condescension on earth reply to Hillary with a “MY GOODNESS”.
siobhan
August 7, 2006 at 4:31 pm
37I wish I was more technologically capable… I really want to dub Shirley Temple saying “Oh, my goodness!” over Rummy.
Kip W
August 8, 2006 at 4:16 pm
38If he’s going to ask and answer, I think he should be obliged to run back and forth from the question-guy seat to the answer-guy seat. Sorta like Woody Allen in Bananas.
Dale
August 8, 2006 at 4:34 pm
39Also he should torture himself when he fails to provide satisfactory answers (i.e, always).
David
August 8, 2006 at 7:41 pm
40Oooh, Dale, good one.
Jerry
August 11, 2006 at 8:25 pm
41The war going as planned? Absurd concept. See, ya gotta have a plan tor anything to go according to it.
The “Decider” and Deputy and Assistant Deciders of Action in Iraq are much more like the Underwear Gnomes of South Park: “Phase One: Collect underpants. Phase Three: Profit” See: “Phase One: Start war. Phase Three: Profit” Except in the war Phase Three started at the same time as Phase One. There never was a Phase Two. It received as much attention from The Idiot Monkey Crew as it did from The Underpants Gnomes.
‘Course there were some folks who thought there should be some attention paid to Phase Two, but they were fired. The public just smiled…and re-elected the Idiot Monkey Crew because they felt their leader was actually doing a good job or it would be unwise to change horses in the middle of the flood even if the horse they were on had four broken legs, was blind, and had spent its life eating Jimson weed.
David
August 12, 2006 at 7:10 am
42‘Bout as accurate a description of Team BuChRuRi and their electoral enablers as I’ve ever read.