What is with those Danes? Before the smoke can clear from all those embassy burnings, they’re in the headlines again.
US legislators press Rice on UN vote against gays
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The Bush administration’s support for Iran’s proposal to bar two gay rights groups from a voice at the United Nations sparked a demand from U.S. legislators on Tuesday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice repudiate the action.
The January 23 vote denying “consultative status” at the world body to the Belgium-based International Gay and Lesbian Association and the Danish National Association for Gays and Lesbians was a “drastic reversal” of Washington’s previous stand on the issue, the U.S. House of Representatives members wrote.
I’m trying to get a handle on the US position on Denmark, because I want to be a good citizen and feel the same way as everyone else. We’d be better off without Denmark making such a ruckus, wouldn’t we? I mean, they’re getting in the way of the world we’re trying to make here. So it boils down to this:
We hate them for their freedom. At least I do.
If it was just the cartoons, that’d be one thing. Those cartoons, after all, opened the door for a world full of nutty mullahs to push their followers into burning stuff, which proves our deeper and essential diplomatic point - “Muslims is krazy people!” Also, the cartoons made it okay for US conservatives to reprint the cartoons, and make new offensive cartoons that were positively guaranteed to rile those mullahs into riling their people into burning more stuff and and getting themselves killed by their governments and once again underscoring the necessary maxim, “Muslims is krazy people!”
So that’s good.
It would’ve been better if Denmark had exercised better timing, though. After all, we’re going to be the ones fighting this next war (to defend those kinds of freedoms), and we’re a little out-of-pocket at the moment. The embassy burning in Syria would’ve been a great “Now that’s the last straw!” moment (comparable to Colin Powell dangling a vial of what definitely might be anthrax that absolutely might look like something that might be being produced in Iraq) if only Denmark had timed its free press a little better. I’d suggest wiretaps to insure better freedom scheduling next time, but I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t listen. So, we make lemonade, defending our Danish brothers even if the timing isn’t great.
Then, to make matters worse, they try to get this bunch of gays and lesbians into the UN. What is going on here? Now we have to side with Iran (and China, Cuba, Sudan and Zimbabwe), because freedom’s great and all but spending our hard-earned tax dollars to protect the rights of gay people is a non-starter. So now we have to be the big “bad guy” siding with the dictatorships, or else we’d have to accept that gays and lesbians are not treated completely well around the world and might require some assistance in protecting their rights. And that might make American gays start with the whole “Hey, why can’t we get married?” thing again, which would of course destroy our culture and our way of life and etc.
Why would Denmark do that to us?
It’s almost like they’re making fun of us.
Let’s remember, in 1989 Denmark legalized gay civil unions that had the exact same rights under the law as straight marriages. 1989, think about that. They decided it wasn’t the government’s place to decide which relationships between adults were “right” and which were “not wrong per se but clearly not as right.” As though their famed storyteller, Hans Andersen, had no middle name.
All the way back in 1989, making us look bad.
And they’re even starting to break with the rest of Scandanavia and us over drug policy! There’s a zone in Copenhagen where drugs have been more-or-less tolerated for years. They’re moving towards a policy of “harm reduction.” Harm reduction. Think about that. Free to do something until it hurts someone. What are they thinking?
So as you’re marching towards Damascus, sneak a peek over your left shoulder. Because there will be Denmark, being all free and high and gay and stuff. Sure they were part of the “Coalition of the Willing.” Because they’re willing to do anything. Because they actually seem to be freer than us, more open than us, and having visted Copenhagen I suspect that they’re having a better time than us. And that is intolerable.
I hate them for their freedom.





73 comments
Josh
February 8, 2006 at 5:54 pm
1Yep, good old republican view, you’re free to agree with us… you agree with us right?….
Josh
February 8, 2006 at 6:15 pm
2To add some additional reference on the topic, Political Columnist and Cartoonist Ted Rall actually writes a pretty good column and cartoon about the whole Danish cartoon brew-ha-ha.
Steve
February 8, 2006 at 7:00 pm
3Here’s an interesting bit of information about his whole bruhaha.
dee
February 8, 2006 at 7:19 pm
4Oh it’s much more insidious than you think. Not only are they “all free and high and gay and stuff,” but they’ve been exporting subversive furniture for YEARS! Their cruel but clever plan could end up with the whole world drinking aquavit and putting funny little circles over the letter ‘a’ because we couldn’t get our big American butts out of this!
Keith
February 8, 2006 at 7:34 pm
5dee,
according to the specs, that chair is only 29 inches wide, so most American butts couldn’t even get into it.
Jim
February 8, 2006 at 7:34 pm
6Thanks for the link Dee,
and for the ironic categorizing of the furniture as an “easy chair.” Easy for who?
cooper
February 8, 2006 at 8:25 pm
7Adam, not only do the Danes celebrate “being all free and high and gay and stuff”, they also wear less clothes on the beach than we Americans. You know why they get away with these travesties? Basically, it’s too cold for thunderstorms; ergo, no lightning bolts. With lightning bolts off the table, even god-fearing Lutherans start to loosen up a bit. And we all know where this leads - sex, dope, freedom, and fucking in the streets. BTW, where did those krazy Muslims find a Danish flag to burn, anyway?
ginny
February 8, 2006 at 8:29 pm
8I think it should be marketed as a Difficult Chair in the Ikea catalog - they could call it “TØRTÜR”
(character entities is fun too!)
Sharon
February 8, 2006 at 8:36 pm
9All right! Another incompetent Bush appointee {mumble little shit mumble} bites the dust!
SeattleDan
February 8, 2006 at 8:38 pm
10And how about those pastries they make? What’s really in those things?
David
February 8, 2006 at 9:17 pm
11Keith,
Are you trying to say Americans are bloated asses? Surely not.
Seattle Dan,
Danes. That’s why they’re called Danish pastries.
SeattleDan
February 8, 2006 at 9:22 pm
12David,how about their dogs? What’s so great about them?
SeattleDan
February 8, 2006 at 9:24 pm
13Ooh,I’m slow today.Danes? It’s like soylent green…it’s people!
David
February 8, 2006 at 9:31 pm
14Josh,
Thanks for the links. Gotta love Ted Rall.
waterfowler
February 8, 2006 at 9:36 pm
15Is there actually such a thing as a “right wing” Dane? I may be offended. Death to….somebody!
I know most of y’all can’t stomach the idea, but check out Coulter’s latest and disagree.
Harold
February 8, 2006 at 9:44 pm
16I work for a DVD compression, encoding, and authoring company (contact me if you want to send some business our way!) and a few months ago we Authored a Danish action film (yes, a Danish ACTION film!) called “Old Men In New Cars”. It’s a Tarantinoesque crime-action-romance-comedy (the romance is between a psychopathic killer and an equally insane and apparently unkillable woman, which is also a large part of the comedy) which features pastry chefs as main characters and a pastry contest as a major plot point. This was a sequel/prequel to the Danish crime-action-romance-comedy “In China They Eat Dogs”. I don’t know if these films give you an insight into Denmark and the Danish psyche, but if they do, it’s pretty messed up.
hedera
February 8, 2006 at 10:02 pm
17Woo hoo, they got ‘im! Not the Danes or the Islamic protesters, but the 24 year old pipsqueak who was telling NASA scientists not to talk about global warming etc. There’s a little justice.
Thanks for the link, Sharon: looks like the didn’t need a reason, he lied on his resume about his degree. That’s good for a pink slip any old day…
Maximum Bob
February 8, 2006 at 10:07 pm
18I’m getting that tingly sense, folks; I predict another addition to the Axis of Evil. And we wouldn’t even have to invade; we could just point some missles at them and demand that they adopt our healthcare system. Back to the Stone Age, you Carlsberg-swilling socialists!
Jay
February 8, 2006 at 10:39 pm
19Speaking of gay rights, here in the upper left hand corner, we finally got a bill passed adding sexual orientation to a long list of things that you can’t discriminate against people for. Tim Eyman, our local cheap seats tomato thrower, immediately announced that he would file an initiate to repeal it. One of the more interesting justifications for denying equal rights to gays was that it might force a landlord to rent to people engaging in activity that he thinks is sinful and disgusting. Well, if you accept that as a valid reason to deny housing, don’t you also have to allow a Muslim landlord to deny housing to a Christian because all Christians are infidels, or allow a Catholic landlord to deny housing to a single parent because having a child outside of wedlock is a sin? How about denying housing to a divorced man who has remarried isn’t that also a sin? I’m desperately hoping that Eyman goes down in flames on this one. I wouldn’t even lend him a fire extinguisher.
Jay
David
February 8, 2006 at 11:47 pm
20Waterfowler,
Of all the European friends I’ve made over the years - Brit, French, Swiss, Swedish, German, Italian, Spanish, Hungarian, Norwegian, Danish, and Dutch - while only one is as liberal as me, the only American-style rightwinger (remember, the whole spectrum from left to right in the United States is skewed right compared to the rest of the West) is the Dane. Don’t know why, except it is hard as hell to get a house in Denmark. The Norwegian is a conservative. The rest are centrist with progressive leanings.
Norway itself is conservative socialist. Don’t know any Finns.
Mostly Americans haven’t a clue about European politics, which is why it is so easy to sell erroneous shit about Europe on this side of the pond.
Jay,
Kudos to the upper left hand corner. Next year, better refs….
Adam,
…better time than we (tsk, tsk).
nigel
February 9, 2006 at 12:19 am
21Denmark is a civilized nation among civilized nations. Besides encouraging topless sunbathing (weather permitting), they also are the home to at least three of the leading wind turbine manufacturers (Vestas, Siemens, and Suzlon).
And then there is Carlsberg. Carlsberg merely claims to have the world’s greatest website and the world’s greatest beer (debatable at best), but it could quite rightly claim the title of world’s best company. The fact that one of the earth’s more impressive geologic features is named the Carlsberg Ridge is no coincidence.
From the Carlsberg website:
“In 1876 the brewer J. C. Jacobsen established the Carlsberg Foundation and two years later the Museum of National History at Frederiksborg Castle as a department of the Carlsberg Foundation.
According to his will, the foundation shall promote and financially support Danish scientific research within the areas of natural sciences, mathematics, philosophy, the humanities, and social sciences.
Furthermore, the Carlsberg Foundation must at all times have a majority shareholding in Carlsberg A/S.”
Drink up for a better world!
SeattleDan
February 9, 2006 at 12:55 am
22Carlsberg notwithstanding and speaking of Danish philosophy, what was up with that Kierkegaard guy,anyway? “Fear and Trembling”, “Either/Or”….seems subversive to me.
nigel
February 9, 2006 at 1:19 am
23You’ve also got to love a country that traces its royal family to Gorm the Old (d. 958), with a more recent monarch nicknamed “the father-in-law of Europe”. Like England, women have pretty much taken over the palace, what with the men being more susceptible to inbreeding and/or getting shot.
http://www.um.dk/Publikationer/UM/English/Denmark/kap1/1-1.asp
Thanks ‘fowler for the Coulter ref. She may be obnoxious but she’s not stupid.
SeattleTammy
February 9, 2006 at 1:38 am
24who is married to you-know-who:
I’ve already proposed this to my co-workers so I’m damned to any conspiracy charges already, but Tim Eyeman Must Die!
now, he must die in such a way that guarantees no
“after the fact” hero worship…..soo..o..o..
My method is Death by Horse.
if you need to know more than that, google-whack “seattle post intelligencer beastiality”
I mean it! type all those words or you will go where you don’ wanna go.
nigel
February 9, 2006 at 2:14 am
25I don’t think Tim does horses. I think he’s more of a pig guy.
cooper
February 9, 2006 at 8:35 am
26fouler, Ann Coulter? No thanks. Whenever I need a good load of hallucinatory bullshit I go to the source.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/02/20060206-8.html
Pete IVDL
February 9, 2006 at 9:26 am
27Fuck it, Adam, there goes my point about bears in the last comments. Jeez mate, gimme a break.
And I do have a soft spot for Denmark. After all, One Of Us married One Of Them recently.
Loved the tǿrtur chair idea, ginny. Very smooth. (Sorry, my character map is all took up with arabic at the moment).
Yeah. Danes. They’re great.
David
February 9, 2006 at 11:07 am
28Seattle Dan,
Damn. I think they are, but my Dansker friend never said why. He did make clear, however, that it’s Tuborg, not Carlsberg, if you’re looking for greatness in beer.
Also, he is a most civilized right winger, in the mold of my favorite right wing American columnist Charley Reese.
Oh what-the-hell generalizations:
Denmark - more at smart, progressive conservative.
US at the moment - more at dumbass retrograde conservative.
I want gays to pressure Rice on UN vote against US legislators. I also want Coulter to say something that pisses Rice off, resulting in a stiletto heels and shivs steel cage death match, with ‘Berto G reffing and W calling the action.
Rummy and the Dickster could do commentary.
How should I know where in Lobster’s name these perverse flights of fancy come from?
ice weasel
February 9, 2006 at 11:09 am
29Err…I’m sorry, is this a thread about dogs? Or pastry?
Did I miss something?
Oh and here’s a news flash, fouler says coulter made a good point. Uh, wouldn’t have expected that. But you know oh waterborne one, even a broken watch is right twice a day (and that is by no means conceding coulter has hit one of those “twice per day” occurrances).
Mary
February 9, 2006 at 11:23 am
30“I suspect that they’re having a better time than us. And that is intolerable.”
Adam- you have hit on the very core of right wing anxiety. Sure explains their illogical behavior
David
February 9, 2006 at 12:49 pm
31I do know why the sense of dark perversity. It’s the glee with which our Idiot in Chief is resurrecting the nuclear arms race, all the while planning to bomb Iran, including with a nuke or two if that’s what it takes to generate sufficient shock and aw, shucks (assuming that Scott Ritter is once again correct).
Am I scaring you now, Waterfowler? Your guy is sure as hell scaring me.
Back to the pastry, dogs, and good beer.
cooper
February 9, 2006 at 1:46 pm
32Off Target, I figured out what W is up to with all his foot dragging about coughing up the money for Katrina relief. When he can finally will himself to admit, out loud, in front of a live mike that Global Warming does in fact exist and is melting the Polar Ice Caps, etc. and causing a rise in sea levels, he can have a map of this - http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/gulfwestc600.gif?openima geresource - hanging and point to New Orleans and say “What’s the point? It’s all going to be under water soon, anyway.” I don’t know the terrain of the Bush Kennebunkport compound, but I’m willing to bet that it’s like most of the Maine seacoast - high rock cliffs going down to the water and in no danger whatsoever.
waterfowler
February 9, 2006 at 4:16 pm
33Perv…I mean, David, Didn’t Scott Ritter claim that we were going to bomb Iran in June of ‘05? Once again correct. If he knew our intentions and shared them w/ the world, wouldn’t he be a traitor? And if you haven’t heard the price of his integrity is $400K, you should get out more often.
I don’t get the “resurrecting the nuclear arms race”.
Cooper, I looked @ your map. I’m moving to Carolina…soon.
madbard
February 9, 2006 at 4:36 pm
34Denmark has been all downhill since that little pipsqueak took out good ole King Claudius…… It is time to take out Copenhagan. They’re near France, right?
David
February 9, 2006 at 5:13 pm
35June of ‘05 was the original target date. I think Sy Hersh has confirmation of the existence of this intention. Iraq didn’t go as expected, so dates changed - intentions didn’t. PNAC is alive and well for these people, who say anyone can go to Baghdad, but real men go to Tehran. Of course, going to Baghdad has become increasingly difficult, not easier.
Scott Ritter’s track record is still quite good, and he appears to be driven by the desire to publish whatever truth he can lay his hands on. Like Hersh, I think he also has people inside the administration and the military who are appalled by what they are seeing, and as a consequence are leaking what they can. But I really don’t think there’s anything remotely secret about the intention to attack Iran. Ritter’s contention is that Bolton’s speeches have already been written for telling the UN and the world why we are going unilateral if the UN balks. Ritter says he talked to Bolton’s speechwriter. Be really interesting if Ritter is lying about this. I suspect not. Treason would be leaking specific (critical from my perspective) classified information, although I can imagine a circumstance in which someone’s conscience might force them to consider even treason. I do think outing a CIA agent is treasonous on its face, disgustingly so when it is done for political revenge against someone who would dare publish the truth.
Bush is pushing full speed ahead on two fronts: modernization of our nuclear arsenal with a whole new generation of nukes, and the militarization of space, the ultimate Gibraltar. It’s public domain information.
Ann
February 9, 2006 at 5:30 pm
36As someone who visits Denmark regularly (business and social), I have to comment—
Yes, Danes are generally fun-loving and liberal, but they can also seem naive. There’s a kind of “Germanic,” mandatory quality to their attitudes about sex and nudity.
Also, the sexist attitudes and materials that I encounter at the office there are often surprising and very “uncool”—they are decades behind American workplaces in this.
But the pastries are terrific!
waterfowler
February 9, 2006 at 5:54 pm
37David, he sold his integrity for $400K! Mine is worth a little more than that. I thought yours……
Should we not militarize space, or the moon, or Mars?…Okay, let China do it first so we’ll be… what?…I don’t understand the angst about American power. Would you like to live under an Islamic state or a Red China controlled world? You’ve got to admit that us right wingnut evangelicals are a little more open to the idea of freedom.
And save the B.S. about the CIA. I think you’d prefer it didn’t exist.
Ice, you didn’t disagree w/ Coulter.
Siobhan
February 9, 2006 at 6:25 pm
38WF - No, of course I’m not keen to live under an Islamic state or Red China. But I’m also not keen to live in a United States that drifts toward theocratic and police state tendancies like those sterling examples.
cooper
February 9, 2006 at 9:53 pm
39fouler, great! Come on up,Blood. Move to Nags Head or Kitty Hawk; it’s beautiful out there & the Outer Banks should be just about right in thirty or forty years.
Your pal,
Siobhan
February 9, 2006 at 10:23 pm
40Fowler, as long as you’re with us today… (I’m venturing off-topic, sorry)
What do duck hunters make of avian flu? The birds I work with seem to be less at risk but migratory waterfowl seem like they’re in for a tough stretch. Does the fact that Cheney and others high-up seem to be avid duck hunters bode well for any efforts/money on this? (I’m not being snarky here. I’m one birder who knows that we have a lot of common ground with y’all.)
Jay
February 9, 2006 at 10:25 pm
41On the topic of the 2007 budget. I have often seen it suggested that Bush might be dyslexic which is part of the reason he struggles with unscripted speaking. Well let’s see, he claims to be a Christian, Christ said that he came to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable, the 2007 budget cuts programs that benefit the poorest Americans to preserve tax cuts that benefit the richest. Yup, he got it backwards again.
Jay
Murray
February 9, 2006 at 10:26 pm
42That’s why I bought mountain property in PA, so that I’ll be able to enjoy ocean front property in a few years or so.
cooper
February 9, 2006 at 10:46 pm
43Oh yeah, fouler, lot’s of ducks and harmless waterfowl to blast the bejesus out of, too. You’ll love it, and before you know it, you’ll be able to set your decoys in your front yard.
Jay, excellent point. “Bush on the Couch” is an interesting supposition, though the psychiatrist who wrote the book has never interviewed the patient. He touches on Bush’s dyslexia, feelings of rejection and inadequacy and the shame and abuse he felt as a teenage male cheerleader in a man’s world.
P.S. Just fooling about the cheerleader crack. He probably enjoyed and savored the abuse.
cooper
February 9, 2006 at 11:03 pm
44I was talking with my red-haired Norwegian masseuse tonight about the Danish cartoon brouhaha. She said the #1 sport in Norway is to make Danish jokes (like our Polish jokes). Apparently, the Danes have not always played nice with their neighbors and, in particular, Norway, so she’s enjoying seeing them sweat a bit. By the way, she says Norway is going to seriously kick US butt in the Winter Olympics and take no fucking prisoners. Tomorrow’s the day they start - sking uphill, firing their rifles, singing the national anthem in four part harmony and finishing Gold, Silver, Bronze, fourth, fifth and sixth and not a drop of sweat between them.
bramster
February 9, 2006 at 11:43 pm
45Cooper: There are no cliffs in Kennebunkport. I would expect that the compound might be moved to higher ground in Texas.
But, some realities. . . Where I live was under 10,000 feet of ice 10,000 years ago. (the wisconsin ice sheet, although I’m far from Wisconsin). The ability to live here, eat local produce (at the right time of year), is due to “Global Warming”.
One man’s meat is another’s poison. The last ice age lowered ocean levels enough so that part of the “Asian Horde” was able cross on the land bridge between Asia and what’s now Alaska. If there had been North-American locals at the time, I’m sure they would not have been all that impressed with the interlopers.
Now, I’m all against “pollution”, be it our air, water, or airwaves.
I ride a bicycle at least as far as I drive a car each year, and a lot farther than I fly my little old airplane. But it’s difficult to pedal when the snow is above the pedals, and, not a whole lot of fun.
And the airplane won’t start when the temperature drops below freezing.
So, from my point of few, a bit of Global Warming is probably a good thing.
Then again, I think earthquakes are a good thing. Earthquakes create mountains (where do you think the Himalayas came from?)
Without mountains, there are no rivers. Without rivers, we’d all be really thirsty. I’m trusting the readers here to be able to fill in the relationship between mountains and rivers.
Disasters such as Katrina, Andrew, etc, are essentially the result of too many people being on the scene.
And that, my Felbernauts, is an entirely different discussion which no-one seems willing to address.
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Cooper: I love your posts. In fact, I like almost all of the posts here. This is a blog site without peer, both in design and content.
I only used your comment to start my tirade.
Adam: Your software person deserves kudos above and beyond. Numbered Comments, no less. I haven’t seen that anywhere else.
And a real preview screen. Wow! The WTF forum should take note!
SeattleTammy
February 9, 2006 at 11:49 pm
46cooper,if I’m not mistaken,for a long time,Denmark ruled Norway.I think the relationship lasted as long as 1909,or1910 when Norway achieved independence.So it doesn’t suprise me if there not alot of love there.Dont they Danes still hold sway over Greenland? The Greenlanders should get themselves a liberation movement going.
cooper
February 10, 2006 at 8:37 am
47SeattleTammy, I think Greenland has worked out some sort of self-autonomy deal with the Danes, though the Danish government handles all foreign affairs, whatever that might be. And, of course, you have the huge Cold War relic of the Thule (Qaanaaq) Air Force Base, our little corner of the tundra. The worst part of living in Greenland (aside from the Canadianesque weather) is that all towns have two names - Danish and Inuit - both unpronouncable.
bramster, just kidding about the Canadian weather, heh heh. How’s life? My dad had a old Piper Cub when I was growing up and I remember being with him on a low altitude fly-by of our farmhouse back in 1953. It scared the bejesus out of this little boy, I can tell you! Especially the near vertical, pin-you-to-the-back-of-your-seat ascent when we got to the tree line/cliff face at the edge of the field. My dad was an atypical kind of WWII veteran, with issues. Hope you’re doing well. Spring’s on the way, pal. We had our first snow here yesterday - a five minute flurry. That may be it for this year, since we’ve had a really warm winter and if it doesn’t come up a good hard freeze soon, the mosquitoes are going to be a bitch this summer.
Stephen
February 10, 2006 at 11:27 am
48I could just take a minute to agree with Bramster. This was the first blog I had visited, thanks to WWDTM. I naively thought that all blogs were created equal and went to some others. BAD IDEA! Although I do like most of the ones run by the posters here.
Thanks, Adam and everyone for a place to discuss without animosity.
Pete IVDL
February 10, 2006 at 4:39 pm
49Bramster, “earthquakes create mountains”? Mate, that’s like saying “brown trousers clear lifts”. It’s the fart that clears the lift, the brown trousers are a by-product. Ahem. Getting back from the scatological anal-ogy
, tectonic movements create mountains, earthquakes just let you know that mountains are on the way. (Hmm, even that sounds scatological!)
Mmmm….scatological humour…
Isn’t it wierd the way much of the world (with little or no knowledge) looks kindly on the quaint Danes, Norwegians, Finns, Scandinavians, and Northern Germanics in general? Ann, I watch a lot of “nordic” television via our multicultural station, and while there’s a hell of a lot that’s challenging, gritty (in the best sense of the word), and even -gasp- fun in their productions, there is an underlayer of naïvety in their depictions of many interpersonal reactions in all their programs. And not due to any “dogma” influences, either.
I do envy you your trips there - I’ve always wanted to live somewhere around that area (maybe somewhere near Abba’s island in the archipelago). Before you pity me, I do love the cold. And dark. And I’m nothing if not naïve…
David
February 10, 2006 at 5:54 pm
50How ’bout them damn Swedes?
Sweden has, remarkably enough, just launched a fifteen-year plan to make itself the first advanced industrial country to go permanently off oil. (Already, 26% of the energy consumed there comes from renewables.) But not us.
(Lifted this from an article by Michael Klare on Tompaine.)
Ann
February 10, 2006 at 6:13 pm
51I’ve just been asked by management whether I’m interested in relocating to Denmark. Hmmm…
Until a month ago, I would have said it was the least controversy-plagued part of Europe! But I’ll undoubtedly say yes. They haven’t mentioned a round trip, however…
Anyway, you can all come and visit me there! I think this might put a damper on my Felberpalooza plans, sadly, but I don’t have a timetable yet.
cooper
February 10, 2006 at 6:32 pm
52Ann, a redhead in the land of Hamlet, oh my! You think they’re ready for a sassy American ex-pat? BTW, if Billy gets deported back to Ireland, you’ll be so much closer! Mayhaps you two shall meet one day after all.
Ann
February 10, 2006 at 8:06 pm
53Ah, Billy. Sigh.
Denmark is where this attractive and confident American woman suddenly becomes dumpy, short, and plain—as one of my co-workers observed on our first trip over there in 2004, “They’ve got supermodels working at the 7-11!”
But I suppose my American citizenship is still awfully alluring…
Murray
February 10, 2006 at 8:48 pm
54Ann,
And you can’t wait until mid Sept?
Harold
February 10, 2006 at 10:11 pm
55Ann, can we come and visit you in Denmark? I would’t be much bother, since I’d probably spend most of my time hanging out at the 7-11…
cooper
February 10, 2006 at 10:27 pm
56Ann, confidence is very sexy. You’ll be fine. I know you didn’t ask me, but, if I had this opportunity, I would do it in a heart beat. And remember, I’m an old guy, I’ve seen alot, I’ve paid attention along the way, & this looks like great fun to me. Of course, you know what you’re getting into, since you’ve been over there before, and in the winter, no less. Whenever Einstein was faced with a particularly knotty problem that did not have an obvious answer, he would say “I vill gif it a t’ink.” And he would. Good luck t’inking it over.
nigel
February 11, 2006 at 12:32 am
57A pedantic clarification.
Tuborg is part of Carslberg A/S. The relationship began around the turn of the century and was consummated in 1969, a great year if I may say so myself.
http://www.gorkhabrewery.com/tuborg_history.html
David
February 11, 2006 at 1:18 am
58Damn, Nigel,
The Tuborg-Carlsberg debate occurred in 1964 when I was working the Tuborg cart in the park at the Rheingold Little Old New York pavilion. When I saw my Danish buddy, who was in NYC working in the Tuborg office and basically said What’s to debate, in Copenhagen in the 70s, he neglected to tell me. Carlsberg is still the pretender in my little suds world.
"Hot Lips" Houlihan
February 11, 2006 at 10:09 am
59Nigel, 69 is divine!
Meg
February 11, 2006 at 3:41 pm
60First of all, Danish pastries are called
Vienna bread by the Danes.
There is a very long history of intermingling reigns among the Scandinavians, but a lot of the present day emotion began during World War II. Norwegians cooperated with the Germans and allowed them to peacefully occupy the country; the Norwegians supplied support and backup to their war operations. The Swedes remained neutral, didn’t take sides, and escaped unscathed. The Danes resisted the Germans and suffered under German occupation for years. The entire population of the country participated in an insidious and courageous underground movement, driving the Germans crazy while they occupied the country. Although it is true that they were like mosquitoes against the giants, it is surprising how annoying mosquitoes can be and how much blood they can draw when they act together.
Probably the most challenging task that the Danes undertook in their fight against the Germans was their consolidated effort to protect and to save Dane who were Jewish. When Jews were ordered to wear a yellow star for identification, the Danish King immediately donned one and wore it constantly — as did many of the Danes. When they discovered that desperate Germans were making their last ditch efforts at the end of the war and were on thier way to deport Danish Jews for the Final Solution, the country’s citizenry mobilized and spirited the entire Jewish population out of the country, across the channel, and into neutral Sweded — all done overnight. And when, after the war’s end, the Jews were able to return to Denmark, their Danish neighbors went to their homes and apartments, cleaned and stocked them with fresh food, and everyone put a candle in their window to thankfully welcome their fellow countrymen home. Each year — I think it is in October — Danes place a lighted candle in a window to commerorate the Danish Jews’ return.
Dane are very conservative and formal in their personal relationships, at least those of my generation and older are. However, they were socially progressive long before many of the following practices appeared in the United States: “free love” and communes were common at least twenty years before Woodstock; abortions and birth control available when in this country one had to be married and could obtain birth control devices only by prescription; pregnancy was not shameful in public while over here Macy’s wouldn’t hire me for a seasonal job when I was two months pregnant, and married public school teachers had to quit when they became pregnant; family leave after the birth of a baby was public policy back in the ’50’s; and, perhaps most important, intellectual debate was not stunted and ideas could freely be studied and discussed — especially ideas concerning socialism, communism, and — Denmark’s form of government — “social democracy.” I was in Denmark just after the McCarthy era, and the liberation from governmental tyranny over ideas was exhilating to a twenty-year old from Maine. The Danes have always accepted and in fact celebrated differences of thought and behaviour while they maintain civilized decorum and an appreciation for social order. I am certain they are not naive.
The cartoons were offensive — I looked at them. But they are no more offensive than political cartoons have been ever since the printed word became available to the many rather than to the few. These cartoons can be interpreted in many ways and those who are violently protesting them are doing so to promote their own offensive views — just depends on which side you are on. I don’t think this violence demonstrates the teachings of the Quaran any more than I think the Danes, by publishing those cartoons, were denigrating Muslims.
Finally, the beer that is without question the best in all the world is, as far as I know, not exported. It is called Tuborg Green (sorry, I can’t seem to get into my symbols). It is best drunk in Tivoli on a soft midsummer night.
Pete IVDL
February 11, 2006 at 6:50 pm
61Mmmmmm…Beer…
Murray
February 11, 2006 at 9:44 pm
62Cool, great, fine are we,
We’re the class of 70!
(Just having a high school flash back)
David
February 12, 2006 at 12:38 am
63Dammit, Murray, I don’t remember if my class of ‘60 even even had a slogan, other than Let’s get the fuck outta here.
Waterfowler,
Ritter ain’t wrong about the plans. Timing, and whether they can actually get away with it (which seems increasingly likely) are the only remaining questions. Remember the more dire predictions about what might happen if we invaded Iraq? Turned out to be a slower developing catastrophe, of course, mostly a result of the mind-numbing incompetence of an administration who could, as my friend from El Paso used to say about really stupid decision-makers, “They could fuck up a soup sandwich.” I don’t know what it means, either. The boy’s a Texan.
Well, an attack on Iran gonna make Iraq look like we did ok. My favorite imagined response to Cheney and Company by someone who still has his or her wits about him- or herself and hasn’t been purged by the cabal (these folks’ alter egos would have been right at home in the politburo): “Are you out of your fucking minds, people?”
If I’m proved wrong about the plan to go second elective war, to be followed by others, with the
option of going tactical nuclear on the rationale that we’ve got to nuke ‘em before they nuke us, I will with great delight eat crow and thank fate. I think the stage is already set, and the majority of Americans are ok with bombing Iran. ‘Course, we and the Brits (Falklands) are pretty much always ok with bombing anybody who annoys us, so long as they can’t really fight back. No disrespect to our troops. They really are the best large army in the world, and mostly very decent folks who love our country (as do I) and are trying their damnedest to do good whenever and wherever they can. It’s the leaders and the people who don’t have to do the fighting, but think it’s a grand thing, that I have a real problem with.
Even the Good War was a bad thing, but a bad thing we did not start, and it was good that the Allies won. But all wars are sustained horror of the worst sort. Only an idiot starts one, especially one the idiot loses.
(The speaker steps down off his soap box and trundles off into the evening.)
hedera
February 12, 2006 at 1:57 am
64David,
I SO hope you are wrong about Iran but I can’t rule it out. Would it help if I began researching recipies for stewed crow?
David
February 12, 2006 at 11:03 am
65hedera,
Most definitely. Should Iraq prove to be the end of the Project for a New American Century, with its “real men” marching on to Tehran and/or “all options against Iran being still on the table,” as they love to say, as well as Dumbass’s addiction to regime change through US inflicted destruction and death whenever and wherever “I get to decide,” as Clueless One said in response to the reporter’s statement that war with Iraq already seemed to be a foregone conclusion (as it was), I will not only eat, but truly enjoy, a hearty serving of crow. Since it will be a Thanksgiving dinner, see if crow can be deep fried, as is all the rage and utterly Southern. I am also a big fan of all the popular Thanksgiving side dishes (whole cranberry sauce), and both pumpkin and pecan pie.
Fowler, if you’ll bag the crows, it will be helpful.
Meanwhile, we need to elect a president who will put an end to the modernization of our “nucular” arsenal by our nuke-addicted Arsehole-in-Chief, along with the Pentagon’s ongoing lust for the militarization of space - what a perfect storm of criminal idiocy.
cooper
February 12, 2006 at 11:30 am
66nigel, Murray, how about:
Vietnam is our fate,
We’re the class of 68!
Murray
February 12, 2006 at 5:49 pm
67Cooper, our school was a bit less fatalistic, their cry was.
We are fine, we are great,
We’re the class of 68.
Followed by,
We are great, we are fine,
We’re the class of 69.
The class of 71 was screwed.
David
February 13, 2006 at 10:17 pm
68How about Class of 2006,
If Bush bombs Iran, we’re all in a fix?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11890.htm
I would really, really, really rather eat crow than have this happen. But he and Team Neocon have a penchant for choosing the stupidest option, as demonstrated in spades by the elective invasion of Iraq. Tragically, horrendously expensively stupid - in lives, money, and international good will. Neo-con appropriately rhymes with mo-ron.
David
February 16, 2006 at 12:44 pm
69US legislators press Rice on UN vote against gays
Why not UN gays to press Rice - uh, on vote against US legislators?
Actually, I was checking to see if WF will bag the crows for the festival of celebration, if wiser heads prevail and we don’t unleash our madness in Iran. It just doesn’t matter if Iran develops some nuclear weapons. It sure as hell isn’t worth unleashing the insanity of Cheney’s strategy of military aggression in the Middle East, phase 2. The only reason Iran wants nuclear weapons is as an insurance policy against military action by the United States. I assume Cheney & company need to launch the attacks before Iran opens their oil bourse, using other than the dollar as the currency with which other countries can buy Iranian oil. They think they’re a sovereign nation? Yeah, like we consider Venezuela free to chart their own course with their natural resources and their relationship to currencies on the global market.
We are pouring billions into building permanent US military bases in Iraq because we believe in self determination in the Middle East, but with the self understood as the US.
Please, please, Most Holy Celestial Crustacean, let me have to have to gorge myself on crow.
Harold
February 23, 2006 at 1:27 pm
70What the…? A Spam Comment got through! FANNIE!
My, that is one comfy-soundin’ chair…but…FANNIE!
ice age
April 1, 2006 at 10:56 pm
71The first Ice Age had a combination of buddy bonding and a little bit of danger. Remember the Sabre pack constantly harassing Diego and pushing him to get the child? Since we werent sure what he would do we were all rooting for his bond with Manny and Sid to triumph. Less of that here.
In the sequel we are catching up with the trio in some sort of wildlife sanctuary in a valley lined with ice walls. Politics come on early with the mention of global warming leading to the impending melt and the ultimate collapse of the ice walls that hold back enormous amounts of water. So our friends and all the other animals embark on a trek to reach a boat (read giant log) at the far end of the valley in order to save them from the impending flood. Insert Biblical reference here.
As in the first movie, the antagonist here again is the weather. The secondary antagonist (keenly written in the first movie for the Sabre pride) has been reduced to a couple of characterless crocadilian-fish that seem to have a particular taste for migrating mammals. Decent concept, given the flood, but the movie gave them no teeth. I think this is the missing link to making this movie work. Too bad because overall its a pleasing way to spend an hour and a half. Mannies love interest subplot is ok. The concept of Ellie thinking that she is a possum and only realizing that she is in fact a mammoth after she stumbles across the place she was found by her possum mother and the subsequent flashback, makes you thinks that Mannys comment about Ellies …tree not going all the way to the top…, can be applied to the writers.
If nothing else Scrat is reason enough to go see this. He is no longer just an aside as in the first film as he actually gets into the plot here. Albeit, his role in the plot is an overly easy (and early) seque to the films resolution.
Kids will love it. Adults that liked the first one, will be dissapointed.
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