White House steps up defense of domestic eavesdropping
Bush to visit ultra-secret NSA headquarters
Here’s what I’ve gathered about that newfangled domestic eavesdropping, based on the above explanations:
- It isn’t very widespread. And it’s comprehensive enough to ensure our safety against a worldwide terror network.
- It’s totally legal. And the relevant law designed to govern such things, FISA, is completely inadequate and wasn’t applied here.
- Those who are against this eavesdropping are stupid and short-sighted. So are those who think the law oughta be changed to allow this sort of thing.
In fact, anyone who isn’t completely behind the secret-and-totally-legal-but-not-legal-in-a-”stand-up–in-court-legal”- kinda-legal-way wiretap program must be unaware that we’re at war.
Lines like that will get big rounds of applause during the upcoming State of the Union Address.
Me, I just think there were some missed opportunities here. If only we’d thought about security. You’d think we would’ve after 9/11. If only we’d had a chance to write, pass, revise, and re-pass some sort of gigantic and comprehensive set of laws concerning the War on Terror, in which we could have had to opportunity to specifically authorize this kind of eavesdropping and define it legally. If only our President and Congress had the foresight to have passed some body of legislation in which this NSA program would have been completely at home. If only there’s been some sort of “patriot act” or something, some laws that would’ve been targeted at securing the Homeland and might have addressed any shortcomings in FISA….
Oh well. No sense whining about it now. If we’d revised the law of the land to reflect this new era and new war, then the civil liberties goonsquad might’ve had something to complain about, and the stuff that the President was doing while saying he wasn’t would now seem shady and dishonest.
But after 9/11, the White House had the security of our nation to think about. Too bad that this never occured to any of the rest of us, not the citizenry or the Congress or the courts. If only that gigantic attack on American soil had motivated anybody else in the country to think about protecting our nation… We could’ve helped.





42 comments
yllama
January 23, 2006 at 4:38 pm
1It was wrong of Congress to have enacted FISA and made these sorts of wiretaps seem illegal in the first place. And it would be wrong for Congress to rewrite FISA to make these sorts of wiretaps seem legal. Because both actions imply that Congress has some kind of oversight over the President. And we all know the President has plenary power when it comes to this sort of thing. Like a dictat… Oops. I’ve said too much.
Maximum Bob
January 23, 2006 at 4:57 pm
2Inspired by our president, I plan to go on a week-long, country-wide tour to explain that while I previously denied robbing a string of liquor stores, I actually did rob them, but only after clearing it with my lawyers.
siobhan
January 23, 2006 at 5:12 pm
3I’m just counting on him having the same success selling this plan as he did with Social Security. Problem solved.
Landis
January 23, 2006 at 5:56 pm
4Don’t forget Medicare prescriptions - that was definitely solved.
madbard
January 23, 2006 at 6:30 pm
5i say make things fair. make all wiretaps legal but you have to do with an empty drinking glass against the door.
Murray
January 23, 2006 at 6:47 pm
6You guys are still missing the point. If we HAD talked about changing the laws it would have tipped off the terrorists who would never have suspected the Bush Administration to set aside their iron clad guarantee of personal privacy, to everyone, not only in this country, but world wide.
Now they know. Now they will have to encode their messages to Uncle Osama.
See what you guys did! Why only a month ago, when a cell leader had to call for money, C-4, Plutonium, fresh underwear, they just dialed direct to Pakistan and in English just asked for it. Now they will probably use some foreign language and ask for D-5, Pluto-onium, frosh blunderwear. See how much harder it is for the President to protect us now. You guys happy now?
nigel
January 23, 2006 at 11:14 pm
7The Ignobel prize-winning researchers behind a definitive study of the fluid dynamics of projectile penguin poop* are reportedly hard at work on identifying the energy source for the phenomenal discharge of smoke from the asses of White House officials. Comparable phenomenon are known mainly from the mid-ocean ridges (”black smokers”), which is ood because the Bush Administration seems to have no knowledge of plate tectonics.
* http://www.improbable.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html
mckane
January 24, 2006 at 12:29 am
8There is no War on Terror. The Terror is right here in our borders. It always has been. Ten thousand Americans are killed each year by other Americans. WTC? Katrina? Drops in the blood-filled bucket.
And we don’t care. We lay back and allow it to happen. We are hedonistic whores wrapped in a thin cheesecloth of Christian platitudes.
How many bodies of innocent women and children, killed by America the world over, does it take to obscure some piss-ant argument over eavesdropping?
David
January 24, 2006 at 2:25 am
9I feel like such a fool. Can you ever forgive me, Right-Hand-of-God-Man? I doubted you, and even worse, I believed in the rule of man’s law.
I prostrate myself, begging mercy on a poor legalistic nitpicker like me, unworthy of citizenship even though native born to native borns of native borns of native borns of native borns, one branch extending back terribly presumptuously ten millenia or more. How could I be such fool, believing the Bill of Rights mean what they say, when clearly they mean what His Most Illustrious Exalted Omnipotent Defender of Our Safetiness says they mean, or don’t mean, or should mean, or shouldn’t mean.
I bow in humblest submission, My Lord. Please ignore the mistletoe on my shirt tail.
ice weasel
January 24, 2006 at 3:01 am
10It gets more and more difficult to laugh at these jokes.
Sharon
January 24, 2006 at 8:54 am
11Another blogger asserts that while Google recognizes the text of the 4th Amendment, MSN’s search engine does not. Big surprise. This is yet another reason why we must not allow brick-and-mortar libraries to become extinct. (Says the future librarian)
Here it is, just as a reminder and as yet another magnet for the attention of the NSA and FBI: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” Which part of “right” does GWB not understand?
Mary
January 24, 2006 at 11:18 am
12But Sharon, W always reads “right” as “right-wing”. Thus, only those of the “right-wing” have such protections.
cooper
January 24, 2006 at 12:16 pm
13Sharon, my thoughts about W and what he actually understands; well, an inanimate pretzel snuck-up & damn near killed him. Do you really think he understands anything about civil rights and Constitutional Law? He probably needs help getting his feet properly positioned on the pedals of his mountain bike.
Femme
January 24, 2006 at 2:15 pm
14Murray,
I fear that that’s about as much as it takes to bamoozificate ole’ Dubya.
hedera
January 24, 2006 at 2:47 pm
15siobhan, did you write a letter to the editor of the S.F. Chronicle just recently, saying about what you just said?? If so, hi, neighbor (speaking from Oakland).
Ice, I know what you mean.
siobhan
January 24, 2006 at 2:54 pm
16Hedera, c’est moi.
hedera
January 24, 2006 at 2:58 pm
17I recommend to everyone an article in the San Francisco Chronicle on why Bush decided to bypass FISA and just roll his own. If you run the numbers, you’ll find he was inconvenienced because FISA modified or rejected, as not showing adequate probable cause, 1/3 of 1% of the wiretap requests the administration submitted…
dee
January 24, 2006 at 3:42 pm
18Now now, children. It’s not secret wiretapping anymore:it’s the Terrorist Surveillance Program™. And who among us does not want terrorists surveilled? And if we snag a few Quakers, well…eggs…omelet.
Vinft
January 24, 2006 at 5:08 pm
19Theres no plausible reason for Bush to bypass FISA - unless he was doing something so agregiously wrong that even the FISA court would be likely to nix it. (Hmmm, why does writing ‘nix’ in this context make me think of ‘Nixon’?) There’s more to this iceberg than we see on the surface.
David
January 24, 2006 at 6:27 pm
20Vinft,
Sure seems that way to me. These people know they broke the law, and they know it is an impeachable offense. This current utterly disingenuous pr campaign is about protecting the President, and everyone else involved in treating the Constitution like a Sears Catalog in an outhouse. ‘Course they’ve gotten away with treason (so far) in the outing of Valerie Plame and destruction of a CIA front company, so why should they give a tinker’s damn about the Fourth Amendment, or believe they are accountable to anyone for anything, since they won re-election?
siobhan
January 24, 2006 at 6:35 pm
21“…why should they give a tinker’s damn about the Fourth Amendment, or believe they are accountable to anyone for anything, since they won re-election?”
In winning the election, the President liked to remind us, he earned political capital; as in so many other areas, he’s engaging in deficit spending.
Pete IVDL
January 24, 2006 at 7:20 pm
22Heh heh heh heh… I’m so glad he’s your president. Heh heh heh heh. Mind you, with a guy like Bush, there’s no protection from by-spray. He talkifies, spittle flies everywhere.
I was watching Mark Dowd’s recent programme on the three Abrahamic religions. There was a lot of sad stuff, but none so scary as when he looked at what your President actually believes. If he’s the Right Hand of God, God must be an omnipotent cripple.
Sharon
January 24, 2006 at 7:39 pm
23The FBI has said (or was it leaked? I lose track) that most of the so-called leads it got from NSA were dead-ends. Whatever one may think of P.E.T.A. and its tactics, it’s no al-Qaeda. We are squandering our precious human resources chasing people who spray paint fur coats, while our borders remain as porous as wet tissue paper. The only reason I can come up with doing the end run around FISA and the 4th Amendment is that the White House cabal doesn’t want anyone to know who is really on its Enemies List. Richard Nixon, in whatever dimension he currently exists, must be laughing his ass off.
Wizard of Oz
January 24, 2006 at 7:53 pm
24Why do I have to keep saying this? “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”
Murray
January 24, 2006 at 9:02 pm
25For years now I always took solace in knowing that no matter how stupidly this country governed itself, I could always move back to Canada (I lived there from 55-66). So what does this bastion of intelligent governing do?
Elects its own W.
Great, just great.
Lt. Brad Shaw, Resource Officer for Morse Science High
January 24, 2006 at 11:18 pm
26Mr. Bush’s new Homeland Security Measure - The Star Spangle Zippidy-Do-Da Terrorist Survellence Program is finally off the ground and rolling. That’s right, kids, he’s not spying on you, he’s spying on the bad guys. So the next time your phone rings, before you pick it up, remember - you’re either for Apple Pie, Motherhood, and all things Holy or you are for sex, dope and fucking in the streets. And please, speak slowly and distinctly into the receiver, turn down the radio in the background, and… you’re not really wearing that, are you? (You didn’t think we’d stop at just wiretapping, did you? Oh, and take care of that piece of spinach that’s stuck to your left front tooth. It’s disgusting! Your new tattoo really blows, too.)
ice weasel
January 24, 2006 at 11:58 pm
27And quit tracking mud across my nice, clean kitchen floor.
Lt. Brad Shaw, Resource Officer for Morse Science High
January 25, 2006 at 12:00 am
28Ahh, save that for your boyfriend, Weasel.
cooper
January 25, 2006 at 12:09 am
29Siobhan? Siobhan Ruck, the famous raptor photographer from San Francisco? You’ve taken some truly beautiful pictures. The ones of the Prairie Falcon and the Merlin on the wing are amazing. BTW, is that you standing in the earthquake fault? Just curious.
Siobhan
January 25, 2006 at 12:23 am
30Cooper? Cooper’s Hawk? Wait, I’ve got one of you here somewhere….
(Earthquake fault? Oh, I know what you’re talking about… no, that’s my friend Nancy.)
cooper
January 25, 2006 at 8:01 am
31Yeah, that’s my hawk and I want it back, too, dammit… I suppose you’re digital these days, not like my old school daughter who uses only film. Oh, and tell Nancy if she lived in Minnesota, she’d be sticking her tongue to a metal flagpole right about now.
There’s a raptor center just north of here, where they take in wounded birds of prey, nurse them back to health and release them. Or if they can’t take care of themselves, the birds are held on to and are occassionaly taken to nature talks out in the community to help make people more aware of these animals.
Siobhan
January 25, 2006 at 11:07 am
32Cooper, here’s your hawk. Harkening back to an earlier discussion here, its hackles are raised.
Maybe I’ll just wander back to the topic now…
David
January 25, 2006 at 11:42 am
33Terrific pics, Siobahn. Thanks, Cooper, for getting Siobahn’s post-daguerrotype hackles up. Otherwise, I would never have gotten to see these gems of the photographer’s art.
Wandering back to the topic, and being the last cyberdog on the block to be dipped for ticks, blogwise, here, for anyone who missed it, is an excerpt from the Good General at NSA’s understanding of the Fourth Amendment (kind of like James Baker’s understanding of the Equal Protection Clause, which the Supreme Court bought), an understanding to which “Any Angle Which Produces the Desired Interpretation” Alito
likely subscibes (damn, is that a sentence or what?):
General “What’s this fucking constitution thing you keep talking about?” Hayden today:
QUESTION: Jonathan Landay with Knight Ridder. I’d like to stay on the same issue, and that had to do with the standard by which you use to target your wiretaps. I’m no lawyer, but my understanding is that the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution specifies that you must have probable cause to be able to do a search that does not violate an American’s right against unlawful searches and seizures. Do you use —
GEN. HAYDEN: No, actually — the Fourth Amendment actually protects all of us against unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: But the —
GEN. HAYDEN: That’s what it says.
QUESTION: But the measure is probable cause, I believe.
GEN. HAYDEN: The amendment says unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: But does it not say probable —
GEN. HAYDEN: No. The amendment says —
QUESTION: The court standard, the legal standard —
GEN. HAYDEN: — unreasonable search and seizure.
QUESTION: The legal standard is probable cause, General. You used the terms just a few minutes ago, “We reasonably believe.” And a FISA court, my understanding is, would not give you a warrant if you went before them and say “we reasonably believe”; you have to go to the FISA court, or the attorney general has to go to the FISA court and say, “we have probable cause.”
And so what many people believe — and I’d like you to respond to this — is that what you’ve actually done is crafted a detour around the FISA court by creating a new standard of “reasonably believe” in place of probable cause because the FISA court will not give you a warrant based on reasonable belief, you have to show probable cause. Could you respond to that, please?
GEN. HAYDEN: Sure. I didn’t craft the authorization. I am responding to a lawful order. All right? The attorney general has averred to the lawfulness of the order.
Just to be very clear — and believe me, if there’s any amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with, it’s the Fourth. And it is a reasonableness standard in the Fourth Amendment. And so what you’ve raised to me — and I’m not a lawyer, and don’t want to become one — what you’ve raised to me is, in terms of quoting the Fourth Amendment, is an issue of the Constitution. The constitutional standard is “reasonable.” And we believe — I am convinced that we are lawful because what it is we’re doing is reasonable.
(Copped from Atrios)
Stephen
January 25, 2006 at 12:43 pm
34Ladies and Gentlemen, for you reading pleasure, the wording of the Fourth Amendment follows:
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
So…”and believe me, if there’s any amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with, it’s the Fourth.” And yet didn’t he say there was no probable cause statement in the Fourth Amendment? (sorry I would have underlined it, but I don’t know how. Look hard, you will see it.) Does nobody actually read these things? Shouldn’t a statement like that, obviously false, be pointed out?
Oh wait, I got the link to the Constitution from Google. No wonder it was wrong…
Ann
January 25, 2006 at 2:02 pm
35I can’t access the links to Siobhan’s pictures, but Lt. Brad Shaw (I always thought it was Bradshaw) cracked me up. Ah, good ol’ Morse Science High…
Any chance that Gen. Hayden is thoroughly embarrassed today?
siobhan
January 25, 2006 at 2:56 pm
36Ann, ’tis odd. Worked this morning, but for some reason it won’t let you get there from here. Must be something to do with all of this treasonous talk or something. If you really want to see them, copy the URL and paste it into a new window.
David
January 25, 2006 at 7:52 pm
37Ann,
Those bastards are incapable of being embarrassed. Banana Republicans just keep on keeping on until something or someone slaps the living shit out of them (figuratively speaking here, of course - unelecting the schmucks and, by extension, their appointees is our only recourse in modern America. Civil disobedience has apparently ceased to be a viable option, ecoterrorism is our number domestic threat according to the FBI, and God help you if you’re a Quaker).
Murray
January 25, 2006 at 9:37 pm
38siobhan,
Hot damn! I spent several years working as the head of Hueston Wood’s Raptor Rehabilitation Center in Oxford, Ohio. We dealt with about 40 raptors a year and even today I have a Screech Owl on an educational permit that I take to schools and will show off at Felberpalooza.
If you come out for the party, the ridge to our west (Tussey Mountain) is THE major fly way for Golden Eagles on the east coast, although they come through later in the season. However in Sept. we should be seeing Broad Wings and of course there are always Red Tails, Shoulders, and K-birds. Speaking of which, my very good friend Dr. John Smallwood (world expert on Kestrels, Beatles knowledge and former editor of the Wilson Journal) will be here. Hope you can make it too.
hedera
January 26, 2006 at 1:15 am
39Raptor photos, great! (And great raptor photos, too…) I’ll bookmark that site, siobhan. We visit raptor exhibits wherever we travel, they have a great one at the High Desert Museum in Bend, and we saw a wonderful raptor talk (complete with bald eagle on speaker’s wrist, and a small screech owl that sits around the lobby and keeps the receptionist company) at the Raptor Center on the Alaska coast (where was that? Ketchikan?)
A Alexander Stella
January 26, 2006 at 11:11 pm
40okay, let’s say you’d like to learn about an actual political campaign to impeach the president …
ah, none of this noise about a yearning for somebody to go do it …
in addition, you’d like to learn about a game plan to snag Osama …
if all the above meets with your approval, then click, somehow, on the following hyperlink:
http://hewhoisknownassefton.blogspot.com/2006/01/osama-and-our-preside nt-dumass-botch_20.html
and get ready for a ride on a wild blog
toodles
…….\
.he who is known as sefton
oh, yes, the above was copied and then pasted by an actual human being, who visited your “Fanatical Apathy” blog.
Pete IVDL
January 27, 2006 at 5:24 pm
41Hedera, that is so cool! You saw a raptor talk? Excellent! I’ve always wanted to go to Bend (mainly ’cause of it being the location of ‘Micro Cornucopia’ in the 80’s), now I’ve got another reason.
Sarah
February 5, 2006 at 4:48 am
42Can anyone tell me how to locate the “vraiment” heavy comment? A friend told me it was funny and I speak French. Thanks!