So this brouhaha about the renewal of the Patriot Act is a little confusing, right?
Don’t worry, I can explain everything:
Democrats hate America. Republicans hate liberty.
Wow, that almost reads like some of the news reports, columns, and blogs about this, doesn’t it? And there’s a reason - if that’s not true, then things get complicated…
See, the Senate Judiciary Committee spent their summer vacation “improving” the Patriot Act. Bleeding heart liberals like Jeff Sessions and John Cornyn reached across the aisle to neocon zealots like Pat Leahy and Ted Kennedy to produce a new, improved Patriot Act, one that they claimed protected our freedoms and our homeland.
I’m not quite clear what their motivation was in doing this. Probably something to do with installing Saddam Hussein as mayor of Portland.
They almost got away with it: A clearly compromised Senate then voted for the new Patriot Act unanimously. Little data exists as to how many Senators’ children were kidnapped by the Leahy-Hatch gang during this period, but… well, the vote was suspiciously unanimous. And no senators made any statements that indicated that their children hadn’t been kidnapped. That oughta tell you something.
When the thing went into conference recently, though, the House managed to strip most of the Senate’s significant work from the reconciled bill. If you felt like reading the House’s Conference Report on the proceedings or the Joint Explanatory Statement, you might sort of begin to understand what went on (I don’t. They’re very long and wordy, and there are no chase sequences or hot sex scenes. Rent “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” instead). Long story short, al Qaeda operatives John Sununu (R., Baghdad) and Russ Feingold (D., Tikrit) formed a “bipartisan” group that vowed to block the new version of the bill because of “civil liberties” problems.
It should be noted that this is only called a “bipartisan” effort because it involves senators from both major parties. If that’s the way you define “bipartisan,” well, then the terrorists have already won.
In any case, that’s where we stand today. You can look at it as a bipartisan, bicameral trainwreck exacerbated by an uncompromising administration and a polarized electorate which obscures the deep and interesting concerns about the balance of personal freedom and national security. You could even read Barack Obama’s eloquent summation of the core issues (though he conveniently leaves out anything about the fate of the good people of Portland). You could do that.
But don’t. Say it with me: “Democrats hate America. Republicans hate liberty.”
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[UPDATE: Apparently one can’t make a permanent link to the Congressional Record. Clearly, that’s part of another crypto-partisan conspiracy. But thanks to Maximum Bob, I’ve updated the link to the same speech from the Senate floor, conveniently posted on Senator Obama’s website.]





32 comments
Jim
December 16, 2005 at 7:27 pm
1Since Adam’s original Library of Congress link expired….(perhaps as the result of another amendment to the USA Patriot Act)? The following search is provided for the elucidation of others who would like to read Mr. Obama’s remarks
Go to www.thomas.loc.gov, click the congressional record link. Enter “obama” for the initial search criteria and 12/15/2005 to 12/15/2005 in the date range field.
You then can click on the link for PATRIOT ACT.
Jim
December 16, 2005 at 7:29 pm
2Whoops,
Try this link:
http://thomas.loc.gov/
ice weasel
December 16, 2005 at 8:00 pm
3At the risk of raising the ire of our host I’ll add this. What’s also truly sad about this is that the NYT knew about this for a year and didn’t publish. They knew and said nothing. Why? Well, protector of the free press and NYT publisher Bill Keller said it was because they were assured by administration officials that it was all good. So the NYT killed the story.
Once again, and again, and again, our press has failed us. Sure, it’s arguable that even if this story had come to light, all those “security moms” and “NASCAR dads” would have stood steadfastly with our preznit knowing he would never do anything to hurt “real” Americans.
And again, we have an administration that has decided *it* is the highest law in the land. Secret exectuive order signed by the chief allowed the NSA to do whatever it wanted. And what did they actually do? Who knows? What became of the information they gathered? Who knows?
Face it, the terrorists won. The has really become one of whether or not we can wrest control from them and get this country back on the path it was meant to be on.
Jim
December 16, 2005 at 8:44 pm
4Ice Weasel,
I think I know what the NSA did with the information they gathered:
They sold it to telemarketers in a feeble attempt to pay for the “liberation of Iraq.”
Maximum Bob
December 16, 2005 at 8:51 pm
5I had no luck finding Barak Obama’s speech on Thomas, so here’s a link to the speech on his own web site.
http://tinyurl.com/c2ong
Obama has a weekly podcast, too.
More and more, I’ve come around to thinking that the question is not whether Barak Obama is good enough to be president, but whether we’re a good enough country to elect him.
Auros
December 16, 2005 at 9:47 pm
6I don’t think Obama is seasoned enough to run in ‘08. I think that if we lose in ‘08, he should be part of the ticket in ‘12. And either way, he should definitely be on the shortlist for the top of the ticket, or the bottom if we have an incumbent VP, in ‘16.
For ‘08, I favor the top of the ticket being either Bredesen (gov of TN) or Warner (gov of VA), and the bottom being either Richardson (gov of NM, half Hispanic) or Napolitano (gov of AZ, female). Both Bredesen and Warner fit the proven winning formula of being wildly popular Democratic governors from the South. Warner’s approval in VA, last I heard, was in the neighborhood of 70%.
Auros
December 16, 2005 at 9:48 pm
7PS: Obama should leave the Senate after his first term and run for Gov of IL. Governors have a much better track record of winning the Presidency than Senators. There are a variety of good reasons for this, which I’m sure you either already know, or can learn elsewhere.
cooper
December 16, 2005 at 9:58 pm
8Off target, but… a link to a story I’d never run into before about Marvin Bush and his most interesting life with links to his very interesting friends. http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-16-03/discussion.cgi.16.html
David
December 16, 2005 at 10:49 pm
9This is totally on the wrong thread because I can’t get the g’dammed reply option to work on “How we doin’?”
A blackmail note, a picture of the playfully liberal young Adam and his pre-gangsta sista Susie, along with the latest from the Tales of Cooper - a holiday hat trick. Trusting that Adam will stay the course (in the manner of President Cerebral Atrophication), I assume we will get to see the blackmail booty.
That there even had to be a confrontation between McCain and W over torture is a good measure of just how far off course this ship of state is. Can we all just climb aboard NCC 1701 with Adam and leave this damned dimension far, far behind?
Oh, yeah, on balance Democrats love public service, neo-Republicans love self-service (I do personally know couple of young Republicans who love public service, and are dedicated to same, but boy do they not define the Republican machine).
I assume the Felberpalooza is a for-real notion. Of course, I also assume Adam actually exists, even though all I have to go on is a voice on the radio and FA (I can hear Mother Felber right now: “You better believe those labor pains were real…”)
t.a. barnhart
December 16, 2005 at 11:30 pm
10thanks for your concern about Portland, Adam. we Oregonians are doing our best to bring about the Apocalypse and End Times, what with gay marriage and medical marijuana and the “kill grandma now that she’s old and making strange smells” law and our refusal to vote for Dubya. the current mayor of Portland, a former police chief, would probably be glad to step aside for Comrade Saddam, if it helps make the rest of the country safe by letting all the evil in the world settle on the Beaver State.
after all, we know that God hates Oregon anyway. that’s why there is the BCS.
Linkmeister
December 17, 2005 at 3:30 am
11“that’s why there is the BCS.”
Now that’s funny.
Pete IVDL
December 17, 2005 at 10:36 am
12If I knew what the BCS was, I’d probably be snorting various fluids over my keyboard… but I don’t, so I’m not, and it isn’t. Sigh. Not quite Merkan yet…
Pete IVDL
December 17, 2005 at 10:38 am
13BTW, all we got down here was a news snippet to he effect that “the patriot act was voted down”. Which act? Dunno. What changes were inorporated? Dunno. What were the voting lines? Dunno. What did Dickhead George say about the battle for hearts and votes? Dunno. Thank Lobster for Obama’s site…
cooper
December 17, 2005 at 11:19 am
14Pete, the BCS is the nexus of all rage directed at college sports rankings in America. Apparently, Mr. Barnhart’s favorite football (not soccer) team got buggered by the BCS and is not receiving the respect that it is due. It is a particularly stupid and arcane method of ranking that everyone hates and nobody understands. If you wish more info - http://espn.go.com/abcsports/bcs/rankings_full/ - though I hardly think it is worth the time.
Enjoying your summer I hope. Cheers.
David
December 17, 2005 at 12:11 pm
15Cooper has offered the most concise, articulately accurate critique of the effing BCS I’ve yet seen. Time to acknowledge (and thank) Cooper’s Muse.
McCain “victory” thread still ain’t allowing me to post, so here’s the caveat I feared re that “compromise.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11320.htm
The necessity defense requires a public trial before a civilian jury, not a ferking insider adjudicator.
ps - There is no way in hell a compromise between a Republican loyalist and the leader of his party can be anything more than an insider deal that keeps His Sanctimonious Evilmeisterness Dickhead Cheney happy. I think the link’s argument that a horrible precedent has wound up being established is correct.
nigel
December 17, 2005 at 2:59 pm
16SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION?
President Bush today vigorously defended his decision to order the NSA to spy on anyone with known links to al-Quaeda, including the ACLU, his brother Marvin, and Barbara Streisand.
“This is a top-secret program” he said, adding that any leaking of evidence of illegal activities by his administration would no longer be tolerated. If it turns out that his order is an impeachable offence, he said he would not hesitate to fire his lawyers and get new, better ones. “I’m not too clear on the details–that’s their authorization. But the buck will continue to stop here. Dick didn’t have anything to do with this.”
Bush also defended the actions of NSA agents who allegedly crashed an ACLU holiday party, becoming intoxicated and absconding with three boxes of post-it notes and a life sized blowup donkey.
“Hey, our intelligence suggests that they stole it from a manger display for immoral purposes. And the guys were out of post-it notes–they shredded all theirs. Besides, they left some American Family Association brochures and wished everyone a very MERRY CHRISTMAS.
And anyway, Dick’s from Wyoming–he likes barnyard animals. Screwing donkeys gives him special pleasure. Whoa, did I say that? What’s in that punch?”
David
December 17, 2005 at 11:40 pm
17Thank you, thank you, Nigel,
I’m one of those people who always stops by FA on the way offline in hopes someone will either leave me with an interesting thought or a good chuckle, especially after some of the stuff one reads keeping up with the administration.
This one gave me a sustained soul-cleansing chortle. I don’t blow snot all over the keyboard - that’s Pete IVDL’s place in the universe - but I’m still chuckling thinking about what you wrote.
Pete IVDL
December 18, 2005 at 4:20 pm
18Good post, Nigel. Snot bad.
I have the sneaking suspicion that Dickhead Cheney harvests organs from the barnyard animals - although the end result is the same, they’re fucked afterwards! One wonders what his response was when the spooks in your gedankenexperiment offered him the inflatable donkey? “Drats, where is the heart? It has to be here somewhere! Those darned kids…”
Thanks for the BCS info, Coop. I read the info. I’ll never get those 7 minutes back, you know.
I finally got to see some footage of Little Georgie sputtering and fuming because “someone told. I don’t know what was funnier - the fact that he couldn’t believe that someone had actually leaked the information about his (from what I understand, possibly unconstitutional) authorisation of phone taps, or the fact that he “read his rage” from a sheet of paper. It was kinda like he was pissed off, but he didn’t know why until his writers wrote it down in front of him in crayon.
I get the sneaking suspicion that this could turn out to be his big “oops” moment - unless his spinmeisters outdo themselves, the complacent press accepts the spin at face value, and your Average American (is that an oxymoron?) couldn’t care less what the President did as long as their gas tank is full and they can afford cookie dough for the kids. Oh. That’s right. It’s already happened.
Someone here in the Lurking Pool should combine Murray’s Mantra with Adam’s Insights… Dynamite, baby!
Pete IVDL
December 18, 2005 at 4:34 pm
19Adam, it’s time to get The Amazing Jennifer involved. See, your last couple of posts had the ‘Reply’ button grayed out for a couple of days… But only for some people, and not all the time. First, we couldn’t post to the ‘McCain’ topic, but we could post to the ‘How We Doin’ topic; but a day or two later and we can post to the McCain topic, but not the other one… It’s unlikely to be just a hashcash problem, ’cause the button is greyed out as soon as the page loads in the browser, when we haven’t even typed stuff… Or maybe I’ve just used all my commenting up?
nigel
December 18, 2005 at 7:04 pm
20The spinmeisters have actually been working on this for quite some time, although their strategy seems to be another one that involves getting the Supreme Court in their pocket, i.e., preemptive deniability.
This all seems to have started with a little tiff between the FISA court (FISC), which has nominal oversight of said wiretaps, and the Bushies. Here’s a little background:
http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/FISC.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2070287/
One would imagine W’s legal justification for bypassing FISA altogether is based on the decision of the FISC Review Court (its one and only decision to date since it came into existence some 30 years ago!).
However in skimming the review court’s decision it doesn’t appear to me that it gives the executive branch the power to bypass FISA altogether–just that the FISC had erred in denying some earlier applications for wiretap authority.
Apparently our buddies John Ashcroft and James Baker (aka The Fixer) saw otherwise and the admin took carte blanche. I.e., if FISC is supposed to give a rubber stamp in an “emergency”, then they didn’t even need the rubber stamp itself. Oddly, when I looked for Ashcroft’s statement on the FISC Review Court decision I ran into this:
“We are sorry, but we are unable to locate the page you requested on the Department of Justice Website.”
It remains to be seen whether FISA itself is constitutional. Our friend John Roberts expressed some reservations in his appointment hearing.
http://www.cdi.org/news/law/roberts-FISA.cfm
However it seems likely that given their other experiments in shifting public policy far right of even this Congress that the end result will be acquisition of unlimited powers to monitor “terrorists” and their supporters.
I better sign off now–I think the SS is at the door…
Murray
December 18, 2005 at 8:38 pm
21I can’t get my reply button to work on the last page either. This is what I wrote for that column on Friday and have just now returned to post it.
We could just hire my drunken, gun toting, hunting neighbors for security, (they ride ATVs instead of Harleys), a 6 pack of Keystone Ice should suffice. On the other hand it’s my drunken gun toting, neighbors that we would use the security to keep out.
Security aside, (and certainly not an issue) we had a pretty big party here 3 years ago including music, and the nice thing is that you can make all the noise you want and not bother anyone. I hired a band and with a couple of weeks to go they cancelled out because their drummer (it’s always the drummer) had picked out a mail order bride and was heading to the Philippians’ to marry her and live on the beach. (I’m not making this up). We filled in with a close friend of my children who was not only cute but sang well too.
Let me say that I’m serious about a party here on Labor Day. We are already hosting our “72 Hours of Elvis” 3 day biking festival and this would be a great addition. I currently supply free beer for the festival, and would be glad to include Maker’s Mark (I still have access to wine and spirits at a discount). A friend of mine also makes a “knocks you down and holds you there” Gin Martini.
Those not into biking can spend the time kayaking and swimming in the pond, hiking, and enjoying a 3 state 7 county view.
If you are serious, so am I. (If not, never mind).
New business.
Republicans are ruthless and hate liberty,
Democrats are gutless and hate America,
And Americans are still idiots.
A bit unwieldy, but I guess it works.
Murray
December 18, 2005 at 8:53 pm
22Ice
Not only has my dog whacker saved me at least 30 times from attacking dogs, including several life threatening ones, it has also come in handy when dealing with a VERY stupid, VERY drunk, idiot saying not very nice things about guys (one in particular I suspect) who wear lycra and how their gender is very suspect. I didn’t have to use it but I was very glad to have it on hand.
Now, where I really want to use it is in 7th grade, but they won’t even let me use duct tape.
Patrick Henry
December 18, 2005 at 10:27 pm
23“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Benjamin Franklin
December 19, 2005 at 1:14 am
24“They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Mary
December 19, 2005 at 10:40 am
25Gosh, I feel safer already- HA!
So now the FBI, CIA *and* the NSA have files on me? I am SO sick of these paranoid administrations.
David
December 19, 2005 at 11:53 am
26The interlibrary loan service, conveyor belt for collegiate subversion (good god, there’s a terrorist-sypm in every liberal arts closet). Welcome to Georgvs Rex’s Amerikkka. The sonofabitch should be required by Congress to offer a formal, public apology to that student, his parents, the college, and the interlibrary loan service, followed by a public castration of the supervisor who sent those agents to make that banana republic/Stasi visit.
“Hi, we’re from the FBI. Here’s a little early Christmas message for you and your family from the Warrior-in-Chief of the GWOT. Remember, books contain ideas, the staphylococci of the mind. Have a nice, state-approved day.”
nigel
December 19, 2005 at 2:02 pm
27Pat, Ben,
Great to hear from you. Stop by for a marginally legal homebrew sometime.
Deja vu all over again, what? I mean, George II running about like a mad monkey and standing armies behind every rock and shrub.
Now that most of our carefully constructed checks and balances have fallen by the wayside (I keep forgetting when the President got the power to declare war…), seems like everyone’s either a Tory or conspiring with the French (wink, wink).
Remember when we used to get on the Canadians for being so stuffy and prone to flag waving? Now they’re all growing hemp like GW (that’s George Washington, not the mad monkey) and we treat THEM like a colony.
Would write more but there seems to be an agent of the crown at the door. Wonder what the chap wants?
Cheers,
Sam [Adams]
Rob Allen
December 19, 2005 at 2:26 pm
28Another Oregonian here; just wanted to clarify - is Saddam going to be our mayor, or is he going to Portland, Maine?
Sam Adams
December 19, 2005 at 6:07 pm
29p.s.
“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!”
David
December 19, 2005 at 10:26 pm
30Homeland Security, dammit. The two agents were from Homeland Security. The FBI is pissed off about radical terrorist librarians.
Murray
December 20, 2005 at 7:38 am
31David,
As if just regular librarian isn’t scary enough.
David
December 30, 2005 at 1:46 am
32As noted elsewhere, to keep the record straight: the interlibrary loan story was a hoax by a troubled student. Wish all the other stories, including the other things I referenced, were also hoaxes.
I retract my rant, but not my anger.
Be nice if the FBI hadn’t done the things it did to MLK, Jr., and the CIA hadn’t kidnapped, subjected to torture, and then dumped in the woods in Albania, an innocent Canadian. Also be nice if Bush thought the President of the United States is bound by the Constitution of the United States. But then, I always was a dreamer.