I’ve been a little confused by Focus on Family poobah James Dobson. What with some of his statements and all, like on October 5:
“Because if I make a mistake here, and others make a mistake, what we’re talking about are babies. We’re talking about millions of babies… ”
And:
“When you know some of the things that I know, that I probably shouldn’t know, you will understand why I have said — with fear and trepidation — that I believe Harriet Miers will be a good justice.”
But then, on October 12:
“We (Rove and I) did not discuss Roe v. Wade in any context…”
Which all seemed weird, especially coming from a guy who said in April, “And in 1973, the Roe v. Wade decision, the Supreme Court labored forth and came to us with the abortion decision that all abortion is protected by the Constitution. And that has now resulted in 44 million deaths. The biggest holocaust in world history that came out of the Supreme Court.”
Yeah, it all seemed pretty confusing until I was sent this transcript:
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[…greetings omitted]
ROVE: So.
DOBSON: So… Harriet Miers.
ROVE: Yeah. What do you want to know?
DOBSON: Oh, nothing really. Nothing comes to mind, at least nothing specific regarding her, the Supreme Court, and the burning issue of abortion that has been the focus of my entire professional life.
ROVE: Nothing?
DOBSON: Well… nope. Maybe I’ll think of it, but at the moment… mind’s a blank.
[Pause.]
ROVE: Well, she’s a really nice lady.
DOBSON: Good, good.
[Pause.]
ROVE: Hey, can I tell you something about her?
DOBSON: Sure.
ROVE: And you didn’t hear it from me. I mean - man! I really shouldn’t be telling you about this. Top secret stuff, here.
DOBSON: Okay.
ROVE: She’s a pretty devout Christian.
DOBSON: That’s good.
ROVE: And her completely unclassified public record shows her to be no friend to those pro-choicers.
DOBSON: Excellent!
ROVE: Oh yes, it’s well-documented and is being reported widely. But you didn’t hear it from me.
DOBSON: I understand.
ROVE: Good.
[Pause.]
DOBSON: And this has some relation to her and the Supreme Court?
ROVE: Possibly. I don’t know. Are you reassured?
DOBSON: About what?
ROVE: Oh… nothing, nothing. I dont know.
DOBSON: Me neither. But you know, I DO feel reassured, for whatever reason. Probably because you trusted me enough to confide all that freely-available information to me.
ROVE: Well, that’s good.
DOBSON: Yes it is.
[Pause.]
ROVE: Well, I gotta go. Apparently some damn fool’s been using my office, my files, and my mouth to leak secret information, and I have to testify.
DOBSON: Wow - that sucks!
ROVE: Tell me about it. Well, bye-bye.
DOBSON: Toodles.
—– END TRANSCRIPT ——-





33 comments
Pete IVDL
October 14, 2005 at 4:38 pm
1I wonder if any of these “Pro-Life” ‘Baby Murderer’ Murderers (or PLBMMs - pronounced “pull bums” - for short) would exist at all if their mothers had had a choice. I know if I had a say, people like Dobbo and his ilk (I know he’s got an ilk somewhere, his kind always do) would be nothing more than a smear on the vacuum chamber of life. Perhaps they know this already, so, like reformed smokers, they are convinced that no-one else in the world should be able to have that as an option.
What a pity. That thought made perfect sense in my head, but when it got typed, it all went… wierd. Maybe my thoughts are getting oxidised or something by the Internet? Hey, that’s what I can do! Crusade against the Evil™ Thought-Murdering™ Liberal™ Conservative-Murdering™ internet.
Murray
October 14, 2005 at 5:15 pm
2Pete, maybe you need to go in search of some dark skys.
Pete IVDL
October 14, 2005 at 5:25 pm
3Mmmmmmmmm… dark, dark skies…
Murray
October 14, 2005 at 7:10 pm
4Adam, This could come only from the “Who you gonna believe, me or your eyes” crowd.
tess
October 14, 2005 at 8:08 pm
5It could be part of the same syndrome apparently ascribed to Santorum — former pro-choicer-cum-anti-choicer, only this time in reverse. Or maybe he’s being paid big-money to his organization to shut up this time around.
nigel
October 14, 2005 at 11:30 pm
6I’ve been meaning to ask Mr. Dobson (but I can’t get through for some reason):
Is Heaven full of little fetusus? Fertilized eggs? Sperm? Do things not get a bit murky up there, like scuba diving during sea urchin mating season? Or is there a separate aquatic section, like a great celestial ovary? If so, why aren’t there any squid, or any other decent seafood, if this is supposed to be heaven?
Also, how come my local cemetary has a fair complement of tombstones to babies, all of whom seem to have actually drawn a breath, but none for early-term fetusus? Is this some sort of a multi-millenial conspiracy? If you are a Christian and/or feel strongly about the issue, might in not be more productive to memorialize the little blighters in a nonviolent way rather than blow things up? What is it about fundamentalists and improvised explosives? Would electroshock therapy help?
But no, these guys (and yes, most of them seem to be guys) don’t actually give a flying copulatory act about a developing blastomere; it’s just an opportunity to shame the 2/3 of Americans who agree with Roe vs. Wade (a decision which while no object for celebration is also generally in accord with the major religious traditions of the world). In this vein they really should try to concentrate on people who actually murder babies, as in:
“baby: n. (plural babies), a child or animal that is newly or recently born” –Concise OED
Isn’t it kind of hard to read the Bible without a good dictionary? I mean, there’s all those subtle references to abortion and homosexuality, not to mention weighty mistranslations from the Hebrew (e.g., “virgin” for “unwed mother”). Is that what this is all about? Are you worried that the new saviour will get aborted? Do you think your god would allow that, if he’s such a clever genetic engineer??
I would emphasize “animal” in the above definition, but that would be a little heavy for these beetle browed, buttoned-down folks, who probably don’t give a second thought to drowning kittens. Or giving their children the switch (one of Mr Dodson’s favorites, I believe; a bit queer, what?)
Contemplate the teachings of Buddha: THAT’s pro-life.
nigel
October 14, 2005 at 11:42 pm
7Thats celestial UTERUS. Being male, I sometimes get a little mixed up about female anatomy. Sorry.
In Heaven, all Fallopian tubes are coated with teflon to avoid problematic situations. An intelligent design that I think is still in the testing stages.
Not that there’s any sex there, unless ‘yer Muslim. Wait, is that really promised, or are there just 70 unattainable virgins for the blessed? Or is that hell? All these religions mix me up. Could a fundamentalist of the proper stripe weigh in on this?
David
October 14, 2005 at 11:47 pm
8Until such time as governments recognize that women of right should be the final arbiters of their own bodies, including their wombs, we ain’t free. To husbands or boyfriends who take exception, your health, your lives are not at risk because of a pregnancy. If your relationship is not close enough that the two of you agree, move on. To people who object on religious grounds, many of you people used to object to emancipation, often on religious grounds. Besides, your religious beliefs are a private matter you should not be able to impose on anyone, including your spouses/girlfriends.
To James Dobson, ain’t nuthin’ there’s any point in saying.
nigel
October 14, 2005 at 11:47 pm
9http://www.stentorian.com/politics/terror/virgins.html
nigel
October 14, 2005 at 11:59 pm
10“Because if I make a mistake here…”
Is that a Freudian slip, or a plain admission, perchance?
Undercover investigation of these pseudo-moralizing wackos often yields real gems, e.g.:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Spokane_Mayor.html
hedera
October 15, 2005 at 12:03 am
11Regarding the current proposal in California’s upcoming special election (which we didn’t really need), which would require parental notification when minor females request an abortion, I’m with the writer of the letter to the editor who said that she would support parental notification of abortions for minor girls at exactly the same time that teenage boys were required to get parental permission to impregnate…
David, I couldn’t agree more.
Has anyone else noticed that the American Family Association (Mississippi) is threatening to boycott American Girl, a maker of dolls, because they are supporting Girls, Inc., which is represented as “a pro-abortion, pro-lesbian advocacy group.” Girls, Inc. encourages girls to think for themselves and stand up for what they believe. How unAmerican. How lesbian.
hedera
October 15, 2005 at 12:06 am
12Sorry, I assumed the link to Girls, Inc. was real without checking it. Try this one.
hedera
October 15, 2005 at 12:16 am
13Back to the last conversation but one, on the nomination of Harriet Miers to the supreme court, the following excerpts from an opinion piece in the San Francisco Chronicle pretty much speak for themselves:
On Thursday, Tony Perkins, president of the conservative Family Research Council, called the administration’s efforts to woo religious conservatives by stressing Miers’ religion “out of bounds.”
“We are the last people on Earth to object to the news that she is a committed Christian,” Perkins said in a statement. “By the same token, this fact is not grounds for certifying her to us or to the public. … Inferences drawn from an individual’s religious affiliation have no place in decisions to nominate or confirm a judicial appointee.”
Jan LaRue, chief counsel of the conservative Concerned Women for America, issued an extensive position statement Monday, saying, “We find it patronizing and hypocritical to focus on her faith in order to gain support for Miss Miers.”
You’d think they actually listened, back in civics class.
nigel
October 15, 2005 at 12:19 am
14The mind does indeed boggle.
‘”Parents need to know that this effort to promote self-esteem among girls is not as innocent as it seems,” Scheidler said. “While Girls Inc. has some good programs, they also support abortion, oppose abstinence-only education for girls, and condone lesbianism.”
American Girl, a subsidiary of Mattel Inc., said the “I Can” initiative supports three specific Girls Inc. programs - building girls’ skills in science and math, developing leadership skills, and encouraging athletic skills and team spirit.’
–David Crary/AP
While it’s pretty clear that abortion, techniques other than abstinence, and lesbianism are pretty goddamn evil, is girls’ skills in science and math an issue? What about athletic skills (AND TEAM SPIRIT!!). If I were, say, a gay male chearleader, is it OK if I grab a little crotch during a spirited lift, wait, I digress…).
Maybe these little pepperpots should compete in chadors, like they do in some wholesome middle eastern countries.
All this crap has nothing to do with morality, and everything to do with control issues over one’s teenagers. Which I’m sure are richly deserved…
David
October 15, 2005 at 9:01 am
15I cannot help but suspect that the real issue regarding Harriet Miers is that the Federalist Society is unhappy that she is not a Top 5 gunslinger (Harriet, you’re no Robert Bork). And she’s not a woman who’s been testeronized, to boot.
An even greater problem might be that she doesn’t understand that the power structure really doesn’t want Roe v. Wade overturned. And who knows - maybe she doesn’t really understand the actual role of women in a right wing world.
Most horrifying prospect of all might be that she will look to Ruth Bader Ginsberg for some guidance as she acclimates herself to her new job as a Supreme Court justice.
Too many unknowns for the reactionary Republican ideologues. It was, after all, Sam Brownbeck who objected early on, along with Trent “Hey W, Rebuild My Beachhouse” Lott.
At any rate, if she fails the reactionary Koolaid test, she might not be all bad, and she’s probably better than anybody the noisy right would be happy with. Be fun to watch Sam Brownback have an apoplectic seizure.
I think Bush momentarily fancied himself in charge and free to nominate whoever he wanted, and in this case it was his fourth mother (the other three being Barbara, Laura, and Karen). He’s an emotionally weak, tempermental adolescent with delusions of grandeur and absolutely no connection to reality.
David
October 15, 2005 at 2:08 pm
16Oh, yeah, Harriet is a lightweight and a judicial nitwit whose primary qualification is that she is besotted of Bush, but think of the entertainment value when she tries to officially suspend Articles I and III, something which has occurred de facto with the acquiescence of American voters and the mind-numbing impotence of the national Democrats. Could actually cause people to pay a little attention when the dissenting opinion starts out: “What the fuck are you talking about, Harriet?” Scalia ain’t gonna accept any decrease in his status or power, and as Scalia goes, so goes Thomas. Add in the justices who still seem to think the Constitution is something more than a tourist attraction, and it doesn’t matter whether or not Miers is a bubble-and-a-half off plumb. She’ll be ineffectual, that vote’s gone whoever Bush nominates, and the only question now is entertainment value. Hopefully, the new Chief Justice will dress himself as Little Lord Fauntleroy.
Bob
October 16, 2005 at 12:15 pm
17From Saturday’s New York Times:
“You know, she’s a very gracious and funny person,” said Joshua B. Bolten, the director of the Office of Management and Budget whom Ms. Miers succeeded as deputy White House chief of staff in 2003. “I was racking my brain trying to think of something specific.”
In the next breath, Mr. Bolten recalled relaxing with her at Camp David. “She is a very good bowler,” he said. “For someone her size, she actually gets a lot of action out of the pins.”
There you have it, folks. A little light on Constitutional law, but able to pick up a seven-ten split.
This a good time for me to apologize to all the folks whom I’ve tried to correct over the last six years. Whenever someone said to me, “Bush is an idiot,” I’d always point out that he wasn’t stupid, just ignorant. I was wrong. Sorry.
cooper
October 16, 2005 at 6:40 pm
18Bob, it takes a mature and thoughtful person, to admit when they are wrong. I hope one day you will agree with me that Bush is not an idiot - Bush is a moron. Please agree. All my bumper stickers say he’s a moron and I don’t wish to send confusing messages out into the general population.
Your pal, cooper
cooper
October 16, 2005 at 8:21 pm
19“It is not important that she be confirmed because there is no evidence that she is among the leading lights of American jurisprudence, or that she possesses talents commensurate with the Supreme Court’s tasks. The president’s “argument'’ for her amounts to: Trust me. There is no reason to, for several reasons. He has neither the inclination nor the ability to make sophisticated judgments about competing approaches to construing the Constitution. Few presidents acquire such abilities in the course of their prepresidential careers, and this president, particularly, is not disposed to such reflections. Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that Miers’ nomination resulted from the president’s careful consultation with people capable of such judgments. If 100 such people had been asked to list 100 individuals who have given evidence of the reflectiveness and excellence requisite in a justice, Miers’ name probably would not have appeared in any of the 10,000 places on those lists.” — George Will
You know I don’t, as a rule, read or quote or think fondly of George Will (I think part of it’s the bow tie), but for the above passage, I’ll make an exception.
Bob
October 16, 2005 at 9:26 pm
20Cooper, I’m leaning toward supporting you on this idiot vs. moron business, but admitting two mistakes in one day is a bit much for me. Maybe tomorrow.
hedera
October 16, 2005 at 11:13 pm
21It still astounds me that this is the second time Bush has appointed a committee to choose a nominee for an important position, and the committee chairperson came back as the nominee. The first one was Dick Cheney…
Am I the only person who thinks there’s anything odd about this?? (Not that there’s anything unexpected about Dick Cheney nominating himself for VP, it’s exactly what one would expect him to do; but Harriet Miers??)
David
October 16, 2005 at 11:16 pm
22Mid-pubescent moron, on the cusp of complete idiocy.
Mary
October 17, 2005 at 10:10 am
23From a bumper sticker - “If you don’t believe in abortion, get a vasectomy.”
So, Dobson talked with God and his wife about this. Sounds like the man is doing his homework, for his ilk.
Now excuse me while I pray to the Great Lobster that he is SO wrong.
Melina
October 17, 2005 at 1:05 pm
24nigel, do you have an email addy in which to correspond with you? i really liked your theories, or, i’m sorry, real-life drama, put so well.
Hot Tub Tommy
October 17, 2005 at 5:35 pm
25Okay, let me set the record straight on Harriet Miers. This is one outstanding and virtuous woman. With all the great parties we had back in Houston in the 1970’s & 1980’s, she never once accepted an invitation, though she had the great courtesy of sending thank you notes with each rejection. I think she would have never tasted the good times at all, if Lynda Bird Johnson had educated me and helped me out with the Texas Shanghai Maneouver (involves roping, hog-tying and tossing her into the trunk of a Cadillac DeVille). Once she was there, she appeared so stand-offish that we thought it proper to keep her tied up and gagged. Lefty tried to get her to loosen up a bit by running a garden hose from the keg to her mouth and openning the spigot, but that only seemed to make matters worse. As the evening wore on and some of the boys were getting a little frisky (& drunk), they carried her over and dropped her in the hot tub. So long as we kept her head above water, she behaved herself, though she was a mite bug eyed, if you ask me. Wilbur asked her to drop her top, but that only served to rile her up again. She got to being such a pain in the ass after that, that Zeke bopped her on the head and dropped her out in the desert. Fortunately, amnesia and hypothermia set in, and after a couple of weeks in the hospital, she was released, oblivous to what had happened. I’m glad for that, since she always seemed like a nice lady and I would have hated for Lem to have to break her knee caps after what she’d already been through.
Rep Tom Delay (R,TX)
Murray
October 17, 2005 at 7:57 pm
26Moron- IQ 50-75, Slow to grasp concepts, dull, can function by one’s self with some help.
Imbecile- IQ 25-50, Needs help with normal day to day activities.
Idiot- IQ under 25, Unable to survive on one’s own, unable to understand simple commands. (Your dog wouldn’t be an idiot, unless it was really, really, stupid).
Bush - take your pick.
Pete IVDL
October 17, 2005 at 8:29 pm
27Well, it’s obvious he’s dumber than a box of rocks, but then that’s a pretty high standard these days.
Personally, I like morons in general. It’s just the people who surround ‘em and use ‘em for their own purposes that grind my grits. Of course, this extends to all agendas, political, personal, and cultural.
I guess it wouldn’t have been so frustrating for “Right Thinking™” folks like us if Georgie boy had only been voted in for one term. It’s the repeat performance that has everyone in the free world worried about american politics.
As Joel Klein said, it’s gonna be a long 1200 days until January 20, 2009. (I hope I typed that OK, the tears have made it hard to read…)
hedera
October 18, 2005 at 12:19 am
28Pete,
If you think everyone else in the free world is worried about the repeat performance, what do you think about those of us who live here??
Pete IVDL
October 18, 2005 at 6:55 pm
29Hedera, you guys do have my sympathy. The general feeling Down Under is that most Americans got the President they deserved. ‘Course, that’s just an oversimplification of a poor generalisation of a widely-held belief.
Last night we were treated to David Hasselhoff on one of our local “humorous” talk shows… The silence that greeted “The Hoff’s” many statements regarding Americans’ understanding of America’s place in the world as a “light of freedom” and the “global policeman” was…interesting, to say the least. The trouble is, many typical Australians fail to distinguish between a typical American and a thinking American. (This sounds like a good argument for compulsory vasectomy, doesn’t it?)
hedera
October 18, 2005 at 9:31 pm
30Sorry, only 52% of us got the President they deserve. The other 48% of us voted for Kerry. That’s the trouble with first-past-the-post electoral systems.
You mean David Hasselhoff can talk? I used to watch “Knight Rider” and the only intelligent dialogue came from the car.
Getting back to the subject of Ms. Miers, have you seen her latest claim? Now she tells Sen. Chuck Schumer that she can’t recall discussing Roe v. Wade with anyone. OK, this woman is a leading light of the Texas legal community, she’s been practicing law for years in the state where Roe v. Wade was filed, for chrissakes, and she “can’t recall discussing” it with anyone? Either this is early onset Alzheimer’s (in which case she’s probably ineligible for the court), or it’s a flat lie (in which case she should be ineligible for the court), or it’s true and she simply never thinks at all about anything she isn’t directly working on (in which case she flaming well is incompetent to serve on the court).
You call it, folks. I know what I think.
David
October 19, 2005 at 11:01 am
31hedera,
I’m inclined to go with incompetent, but since I don’t think we can get a good nominee out of Bush, and because the right wants someone both more reactionary and a better gunslinger, she is the lesser evil. The business community will love her, of course, just as they love the new chief justice, a disarmingly dangerous gunslinger, but then the Court has always genuflected to the business community.
Besides, what could be a more fitting memorial to the Bush presidency than an utterly unqualified justice? Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, Miers - you’re still talking a minority, and perhaps this is what is needed to push Kennedy over into the Souter camp.
Still, Billy Budd probably offered the best overarching observation in “Billy in the Darbies”: “But aren’t it all sham?”
hedera
October 20, 2005 at 11:42 pm
32Bumper sticker seen in Berkeley, CA:
Vote for Chthulhu - why settle for the lesser evil?
David
October 21, 2005 at 10:06 am
33Bumper sticker seen by a friend in Hot Springs, North Carolina: Don’t Make Me Release the Flying Monkeys.