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		<title>by: Pete IVDL</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8922</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 21:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sarah, you may find that you don't actually &lt;em&gt;own&lt;/em&gt; the music you think you own... In fact, all you have purchased is the right to play and listen to the recorded music &lt;strong&gt;on your own&lt;/strong&gt;. Yep, that means your family, partner, friends, neighbours, etc, listen to your recording &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;illegally&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. I know it sounds stupid, but it's actually true. The US, UK, and Australian copyright acts (and I suspect many others) all have a deliberate loophole so more than one person can listen to the recording, as long as it isn't actually being broadcast (the definition of which is very vague). This way, the big studios don't have to waste all their time suing The Great Unwashed, when we deliberately and illegaly listen to music during birthday parties, housewarmings, bar mitzvahs, family get-togethers, intimate dinners for 2 with Chianti and fffffava beans...

Plus, if the recording wears out (like records and tapes used to), it was actually against the law to play a recording of such a recording. If it wore out, bad luck - you have the right to buy another copy, and that's it. There are some loopholes with CDs and DVDs under the copyright acts, since they are viewed as 'data recordings', and we're currently allowed to make one (and only one) 'backup copy' of the data for archive purposes. But I'm expecting this to change real soon now, since even archiving is a bit slippery (i.e. who archives it, who stores it, who retrieves it, ad infinitum).
Sorry. I'll get off the soapbox now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, you may find that you don&#8217;t actually <em>own</em> the music you think you own&#8230; In fact, all you have purchased is the right to play and listen to the recorded music <strong>on your own</strong>. Yep, that means your family, partner, friends, neighbours, etc, listen to your recording <em><strong>illegally</strong></em>. I know it sounds stupid, but it&#8217;s actually true. The US, UK, and Australian copyright acts (and I suspect many others) all have a deliberate loophole so more than one person can listen to the recording, as long as it isn&#8217;t actually being broadcast (the definition of which is very vague). This way, the big studios don&#8217;t have to waste all their time suing The Great Unwashed, when we deliberately and illegaly listen to music during birthday parties, housewarmings, bar mitzvahs, family get-togethers, intimate dinners for 2 with Chianti and fffffava beans&#8230;</p>
<p>Plus, if the recording wears out (like records and tapes used to), it was actually against the law to play a recording of such a recording. If it wore out, bad luck - you have the right to buy another copy, and that&#8217;s it. There are some loopholes with CDs and DVDs under the copyright acts, since they are viewed as &#8216;data recordings&#8217;, and we&#8217;re currently allowed to make one (and only one) &#8216;backup copy&#8217; of the data for archive purposes. But I&#8217;m expecting this to change real soon now, since even archiving is a bit slippery (i.e. who archives it, who stores it, who retrieves it, ad infinitum).<br />
Sorry. I&#8217;ll get off the soapbox now.
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		<title>by: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8918</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 03:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The dualdisc version of this album does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; have these ridiculous DRM problems. I noticed the small-print sticker on the back of the regular version when I went to buy it, and opted for the dualdisc version, which at an extra $4 was irritating but worth it since I wanted to be able to listen to this album (like all the rest of the music I &lt;em&gt;OWN&lt;/em&gt;) anywhere I wanted.

This does not, obviously, excuse the principal behind this kind of greedy, thieving, legalistic bullshit. Just a note for the practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dualdisc version of this album does <em>not</em> have these ridiculous DRM problems. I noticed the small-print sticker on the back of the regular version when I went to buy it, and opted for the dualdisc version, which at an extra $4 was irritating but worth it since I wanted to be able to listen to this album (like all the rest of the music I <em>OWN</em>) anywhere I wanted.</p>
<p>This does not, obviously, excuse the principal behind this kind of greedy, thieving, legalistic bullshit. Just a note for the practical.
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		<title>by: Pete IVDL</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8889</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>BTW, guardedly ecstatic congratulations, Adam. I do hope Jeanne can now keep you in the manner to which we'd like you to become accustomed! EEeeeexcellent! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, guardedly ecstatic congratulations, Adam. I do hope Jeanne can now keep you in the manner to which we&#8217;d like you to become accustomed! EEeeeexcellent! <img src='http://fanaticalapathy.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Pete IVDL</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8888</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Spot on, tess. I'll happily download a clip; if I like it, I'll buy the song if I can or the whole album if I can't. (My latest is Il Divo; love 'em to bits. Can't understand a word they sing - no si parla Italiano - but even if they're singing about taking out the rubbish, it's bloody wonderful:))

And you raise the ugly point (and my favourite beef) regarding the Darkest Side of DRM - piracy.

I install and fix computers for friends, family, and neighbours, and I've lost track of the number of times I've &lt;b&gt;begged&lt;/b&gt; them to stop their kids from peer-to-peering music. I mean, it's good for me - every time they ask me to remove malware (courtesy of Kazaa, or Bearshare or whatever), I have to charge 'em - and so far, they pay more for me to spend 5 hours every month cleaning their song lists than if they bought the albums in the first place! And I'm not even going to get &lt;i&gt;started&lt;/i&gt; on malware, lost credit card numbers, virii, etc.

And the most common reason they give for this schemozzle? "Oh, the kids can't afford music". Gimme a Lobsterdamn break! Even in VDL, I can buy Nelly Furtado or Powderfinger or Jethro Tull for 30 cents!

I'm not quite sure what my point is right now, but by golly, it was a good one. Something about piracy and DRM???  (Sorry)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on, tess. I&#8217;ll happily download a clip; if I like it, I&#8217;ll buy the song if I can or the whole album if I can&#8217;t. (My latest is Il Divo; love &#8216;em to bits. Can&#8217;t understand a word they sing - no si parla Italiano - but even if they&#8217;re singing about taking out the rubbish, it&#8217;s bloody wonderful:))</p>
<p>And you raise the ugly point (and my favourite beef) regarding the Darkest Side of DRM - piracy.</p>
<p>I install and fix computers for friends, family, and neighbours, and I&#8217;ve lost track of the number of times I&#8217;ve <b>begged</b> them to stop their kids from peer-to-peering music. I mean, it&#8217;s good for me - every time they ask me to remove malware (courtesy of Kazaa, or Bearshare or whatever), I have to charge &#8216;em - and so far, they pay more for me to spend 5 hours every month cleaning their song lists than if they bought the albums in the first place! And I&#8217;m not even going to get <i>started</i> on malware, lost credit card numbers, virii, etc.</p>
<p>And the most common reason they give for this schemozzle? &#8220;Oh, the kids can&#8217;t afford music&#8221;. Gimme a Lobsterdamn break! Even in VDL, I can buy Nelly Furtado or Powderfinger or Jethro Tull for 30 cents!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure what my point is right now, but by golly, it was a good one. Something about piracy and DRM???  (Sorry)
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		<title>by: Adam Felber</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8884</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's "Thick and Thin."

Jeanne played the check-in/weigh-in receptionist at the diet center.  For whatever it's worth, one of the Executive Producers told her they'd be using her fairly often if the show got picked up.

Fingers, toes, teeth crossed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;Thick and Thin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeanne played the check-in/weigh-in receptionist at the diet center.  For whatever it&#8217;s worth, one of the Executive Producers told her they&#8217;d be using her fairly often if the show got picked up.</p>
<p>Fingers, toes, teeth crossed.
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		<title>by: Julie R.</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8883</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Congrats to Jeanne! Is it "Four Kings" or "Thick and Thin"? That's so awesome. You've both been doing fabulously in L.A. -- it's wonderful when good things happen to good people. It restores a bit of my faith in humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to Jeanne! Is it &#8220;Four Kings&#8221; or &#8220;Thick and Thin&#8221;? That&#8217;s so awesome. You&#8217;ve both been doing fabulously in L.A. &#8212; it&#8217;s wonderful when good things happen to good people. It restores a bit of my faith in humanity.
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8879</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 03:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Moderation is active?  Moderation is deader 'n Elvis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderation is active?  Moderation is deader &#8216;n Elvis.
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		<title>by: tess</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8878</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually, the most amusing rational for pirate or downloading music and movies was to "protect the environment from polluting CDs and DVDs."  Personally, I prefer to buy my music and movies in a solid format, and now that I'm a student again, only if it's cheap.  Unfortunately I haven't found a nice used place to buy my stuff on the cheap so I've been downloading my stuff (unless it's classical, then I have to buy new).

Though I'll give downloading this much -- if it's good enough (like "Howl's Moving Castle" which is coming out in the state in late June), I'll buy it or go to the theaters anyway.  It's helped feed my interest in bands like The Decemberists, Ani DiFranco, and The Black Keys, and depending on a person's psychology, I may buy it anyway because it's a solid purchase.

And why am I trying to rationlize my habits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the most amusing rational for pirate or downloading music and movies was to &#8220;protect the environment from polluting CDs and DVDs.&#8221;  Personally, I prefer to buy my music and movies in a solid format, and now that I&#8217;m a student again, only if it&#8217;s cheap.  Unfortunately I haven&#8217;t found a nice used place to buy my stuff on the cheap so I&#8217;ve been downloading my stuff (unless it&#8217;s classical, then I have to buy new).</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;ll give downloading this much &#8212; if it&#8217;s good enough (like &#8220;Howl&#8217;s Moving Castle&#8221; which is coming out in the state in late June), I&#8217;ll buy it or go to the theaters anyway.  It&#8217;s helped feed my interest in bands like The Decemberists, Ani DiFranco, and The Black Keys, and depending on a person&#8217;s psychology, I may buy it anyway because it&#8217;s a solid purchase.</p>
<p>And why am I trying to rationlize my habits?
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		<title>by: Murray</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8877</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 02:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>When copies are outlawed, only outlaws will have copies, or something like that.

Congrats Adam, You have the right idea. The wife has a successful career, (steady income) and you are free to do as you want. (The trick is making her feel good because she is doing so well, while distracting her from noticing you may not be). 

Works for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When copies are outlawed, only outlaws will have copies, or something like that.</p>
<p>Congrats Adam, You have the right idea. The wife has a successful career, (steady income) and you are free to do as you want. (The trick is making her feel good because she is doing so well, while distracting her from noticing you may not be). </p>
<p>Works for me.
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		<title>by: Adam Felber</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2005/05/16/some-updatage/#comment-8876</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 02:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Let me be a little clearer:  I can listen to the album just fine, because the DRM doesn’t work on Macs, 

It’s the principle of the thing that got my dander up.  After getting the album home, I noted all the DRM small-print on the back cover (which was somewhat covered up by the price tag).  I then went online, where I found out that I was fine with my Mac (I generally listen to my music in the car  (through my iPod’s connection to my stereo, or when I’m walking.  My car has no CD player, so the ability to transfer the music to my ‘Pod is… the whole point of buying it). 

But going online made one thing clear - customers are annoyed, flummoxed, and bewildered by the DRM.  Just go and check out the reviews at Amazon and you’ll get a taste of the annoyance.  The confusion is on various message boards.  No matter how you slice it, the pirates were unfazed while a lot of honest consumers found themselves locked out of music they thought they owned. 

Grrrrrrrr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me be a little clearer:  I can listen to the album just fine, because the DRM doesn’t work on Macs, </p>
<p>It’s the principle of the thing that got my dander up.  After getting the album home, I noted all the DRM small-print on the back cover (which was somewhat covered up by the price tag).  I then went online, where I found out that I was fine with my Mac (I generally listen to my music in the car  (through my iPod’s connection to my stereo, or when I’m walking.  My car has no CD player, so the ability to transfer the music to my ‘Pod is… the whole point of buying it). </p>
<p>But going online made one thing clear - customers are annoyed, flummoxed, and bewildered by the DRM.  Just go and check out the reviews at Amazon and you’ll get a taste of the annoyance.  The confusion is on various message boards.  No matter how you slice it, the pirates were unfazed while a lot of honest consumers found themselves locked out of music they thought they owned. </p>
<p>Grrrrrrrr.
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