VIENNA (Reuters) - U.S. and Austrian lawyers have filed a lawsuit demanding Thailand, U.S. forecasters and the French Accor group answer accusations they failed in a duty to warn populations hit by December’s Tsunami disaster, a lawyer said Monday.
My first thought here was “this is ridiculous - a lawsuit is being filed against government agencies for failing to warn of a completely unprecedented and unbelievably large-scale disaster.” How on earth can you condemn existing agencies for not anticipating something that is so far outside the realm of previously-known calamities? What chance can this suit have?
Not much. UNLESS, of course, there’s some more evidence. I’ve put together a small list of what might be incriminating enough to make this lawsuit plausible. In order for the suit to succeed, ALL of the following criteria would have to be met:
- If there’d been hard evidence of a long-standing plot by various seismic forces to unleash catastrophic attacks on certain regions.
- If those tectonic cartels had declared their intentions to launch disturbances of that nature.
- If government agencies had received specific and credible intelligence about the forces of nature gathering to strike the Indian Ocean.
- If people in the seismological community had become increasingly concerned over recent months about just such a rupture occurring, and had been submitting reports to this effect, counseling that action be taken.
- If the “chatter” between geological plates had increased dramatically over the months preceding the storm, indicating that something big was in the works.
- If some smaller fault-line had actually been caught studying maps of the region and checking books on geophysics out of the library.
- If President Bush had received a report last year entitled something like “Tsunami determined to strike Indian Ocean.” Something like that.
It doesn’t seem like such a ridiculous suit now, does it? I mean, if all of these things had happened and been documented, and the US and Thai agencies had done nothing, well then it’s clear that the suit would be successful, right? How could it possibly fail?
Of course, that’s not how it happened with the tsunami, to my knowledge. But if it had, why, it’d be a slam dunk.





45 comments
Landis
March 7, 2005 at 2:36 pm
1I love ya Adam, but would this possibly be a bad time to point out the minor difference between a typhoon and a tsunami?
The tsunami had about as much to do with weather and meteorology and fronts as Bush, Cheney, and Rove had to do with raising the level of debate in politics today.
Emily
March 7, 2005 at 2:46 pm
2Tsunami’s are caused by earthquakes. They could care less about weather. Now if you could prove that all the seismologists saw the earthquake coming months in advance…. you’d make a lot of seismologists insanely happy, since earthquake prediction is a problem they’ve been working on for at least 100 years without much success.
Ananna
March 7, 2005 at 3:14 pm
3They should be suing the animals who knew about the earthquake ahead of time and ran off to save themselves instead of warning people.
Cruel, spiteful animals.
Love,
Hanna
tess
March 7, 2005 at 3:21 pm
4Wait, no one’s suing the Bush Administration? Wait, no one’s surprised. I guess that whole “we’re going to attack you with our missiles and severely overstretched armed forces if you even dare insult us — unless you’re Russian” threat is enough to keep anyone from suing us.
Murray
March 7, 2005 at 3:53 pm
5Gee, sometimes you would almost think that those lawyers are unscrupulous or something.
dee
March 7, 2005 at 3:53 pm
6But Landis, it’s because the tsunami attacked us that we need a pre-emptive strike against the typhoons.
bjd
March 7, 2005 at 3:55 pm
7Besides the obvious confusion between meteorological and geological phenomena (hey, this IS the Bush administration), I suspicious of those weather systems and thermodynamics, which sounds a lot like EVOLUTION and we all know how evil that is.
adam
March 7, 2005 at 4:06 pm
8You’re all absolutely right. Forgive me. I will re-edit to make this make sense. In my defense, I’ve had a terrible cold and had to dash this off before taking a friend to the airport this morning. See? Not my fault. Forces conspiring against me. Etc.
For any of you reading this AFTER the changes: I’d treated the tsunami like a storm rather than a geological event. NOW it makes sense. Thanks to the above commenters, who were far too gentle with me.
dee
March 7, 2005 at 4:14 pm
9Well..well…even IF the typhoons weren’t involved and even IF they weren’t hiding any hailstones of mass destruction, my comment is still valid and we had every right to fight them over there instead of fighting them over here.
Besides, they both begin with “T” and that’s a close enough relationship for me.
Isaac B2
March 7, 2005 at 4:21 pm
10ROTFL!
Auros
March 7, 2005 at 4:36 pm
11Sub in comments about tectonic plates instead of meteorological “fronts”, and you can rescue this metaphor…
Auros
March 7, 2005 at 4:36 pm
12Oops, I see that in the period between when I opened the page, and when I posted my comment, it got fixed.
Ron
March 7, 2005 at 6:30 pm
13I haven’t stopped back by since your “Group Activity: Headlines From the 2nd Term” following the “mandate from Heaven”, and I am truly sorry! Looking forward to catching up; keep it coming!
Landis
March 7, 2005 at 7:06 pm
14Dee, that’s perfect. You really have been paying attention to this administration.
craig
March 7, 2005 at 8:05 pm
15If al Qaeda attacks, then seek revenge on Iraq.
If tsunami strikes, sue the weather forecaster for not predicting a typhoon.
Makes perfect sense to me.
David
March 7, 2005 at 10:18 pm
16What was the title of Fukaduki’s book, The End of Reason? We do, after all, live in a post-rational, faith-based reality, and the tsunami was, in the new reality, just the alarm clock for Armageddon.
Did anyone remember to hit the snooze button?
dee
March 7, 2005 at 10:35 pm
17Oh that’s soooooooo pre-tsunami kind of thinking!
Bob
March 8, 2005 at 4:03 am
18Need I point out that “Tsunami determined to strike Indian Ocean” was a historical document, intended to point out not the imminent arrival of a tsunami, but rather the hopes and aspirations of tsunamis everywhere?
bramster
March 8, 2005 at 10:26 am
19If revisionism is done by the “good” guys. . . Is it still revisionism?
I think the post would have been better served with an ammendment. We found WMDs, but they weren’t in Iraq. They were in a Typhoon. . . er, Tsunami
Mary Kay
March 8, 2005 at 11:27 am
20Adam, you only forgot one important criteria for the success of this lawsuit. If those geolocial plates in the Indian Ocean had illegally entered the Unites States and went to Earthquake School to learn how to control a tsunami in such a way as to inflict the most damage in the shortest span of time….well, then THAT would be a 3-pointer.
Skerlnik
March 8, 2005 at 11:49 am
21BUSH ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCES REVISED “AXIS OF EVIL”
(AP) 3/8/2005: Washington
Today, in an unprecidented move, the Bush Administration announced a revision of the “Axis of Evil” pronouncement, their guiding foreign policy philosophy.
“Today, we face a new evil, “said Bush. “Since Iraq is considerably less or more evil, whichever’s better, I declare all of the earth’s plates to be evil, and they have 24 hours to leave. 9/11, 9/11, freedom, freedom.
“Iran, IROC, and the Iroquois hate freedom. And the plates. They are either with us or against us, or they are against, amongst, you know, democracy.”
Kelli
March 8, 2005 at 1:49 pm
22Do I see “Stop Plate Tectonics” T-shirts coming back into fashion?
Emmarie
March 8, 2005 at 3:01 pm
23You know it’s a bad sign when the phrase “Since Iraq is considerably less or more evil, whichever’s better,” doesn’t alert you to the fact that what you’re reading is a fake alert coming from the president.
It took the plates being evil part to wake me up.
Though I don’t think requiring them all to leave is the problem. Maybe they should sign up on a special registry and/or get special electronic bands to wear so we can monitor their moves. Because we wouldn’t want to be accused of persecutting a whole class of geographical existences.
Jerry
March 8, 2005 at 4:18 pm
24Great Lobster, dee,
Perfect! I can’t even comment on this one after your comment!
Monty Zoom
March 8, 2005 at 4:59 pm
25Does this mean that those individuals who donated to tsunami relief agencies were financially supporting the actions of the tsunami? Does this mean that those individuals may be construed as enemy combatants for giving money to these agencies? Does this mean that those commenting on the tsunami in blogs and what not may grab the notice of the Patriot Act initiatives that scan for certain words on web pages or e-mail…? I’ve said too much.
Sue
March 8, 2005 at 5:02 pm
26Bye, Monty
Mike Z
March 8, 2005 at 5:53 pm
27Skerlnik -
You forgot to mention that the replacement for the “Axis of Evil” is the new “Axis of Earth.”
100% of the work of federal intelligence agencies will revolve around this central threat, and they’ll work 24 hours a day (well, 24.0164 hours per day, to be exact) until a way can be found to keep the situation from spinning out of control.
lisa*
March 8, 2005 at 7:16 pm
28“So far outside the realm of previously-known calamities”
Krakatau
The island, off Java and Sumatra that blew-up in the 1880’s.
The explosion was heard for thousands of miles.
Huge tsunami, raining fire and rocks for weeks.
It took almost a week for the cloud to circle and cover the Earth.
It changed the worlds weather for more than three years.
Artists the world over painted the brilliant skies.
I was listening to the book on tape from my local library Krakatau over the holidays.
So when the tsunami hit I had an idea of what that meant.
My family seemed clueless to my concern.
I recommend the book strongly, it is a great story.
It started small and ended a couple months later with a huge explosion.
The new Krakatau grows twenty feet a year.
This will happen again.
*
Ann
March 8, 2005 at 8:20 pm
29I don’t suppose there’s any chance that our government previously gave financial and technical support to the tsunami and said we would look the other way if it took out a small island or two?
Murray
March 8, 2005 at 10:19 pm
30Krakatau was a piker. On the volcanic scale (logarithmic 1-8) it was a 7, Mt. St. Helens a 5 but Yellowstone was (and when it goes again) an 8. Classified as a super volcano, when it does go, it will take most of America with it. Recent activity has scientists concerned.
Time to bomb northern California.
tess
March 9, 2005 at 12:26 am
31Great. Just fucking great.
Then again, it might take out the eastern half of the state where all the rednecks tend to congregate and leave a narrow strip of land where the Bay Area is, making for more beachfront property, AND a reason to secede from the continental US. That doesn’t sound quite so bad.
Jerry
March 9, 2005 at 1:48 am
32Mike Z - You fail to note that the Axis of Rotation has been “precesing” all this time! First it points one way, then another. “Flip flopping,” if you will!
Kelli
March 9, 2005 at 8:58 am
33Geoalert Level: “Orange”
Landis
March 9, 2005 at 12:07 pm
34Murray - now you’ve got me worried some more. If Yellowstone is threatening North America (from its home almost entirely in Cheney’s ‘home state’ of Wyoming) it’s time to bomb Northern California (my home)? Sounds like the proper thinking from this group, but still got me a bit more worried.
Of course, I’ve spent a good amount of time on the east side of the Sierra Nevada near Death Valley where soil can be analyzed as having come from the last eruption of Yellowstone about 700 miles away.
Jerry
March 9, 2005 at 1:41 pm
35Damn, this is getting confusing! I thought Mt. St. Helen was the Alarm Clock of Armageddon! Now what is it? The Loud Lawnmower Next Door on Saturday Morning of Armageddon? And I thought it was The Fire Next Time, not the Flood Thing Again Next Time!!!
And, Murray, exactly why are you advocating bombing Northern California because of the Yellowstone Bulge? Bombing south central Pennsylvania to prevent a recurrance of the New Madrid Earthquake (the Nagging Droning Mosquito in the Morning of Armageddon) makes as much sense to me.
PC Pete
March 9, 2005 at 2:56 pm
36Maybe Mt St Helen is just the Whimpering of the Winged Puppies Before the Banging of the Screen Door on the Morning of Armageddon… Ah, armageddon cynical now (heheheh).
WWDTM = Wait Wait, Don’t Tsunami Me?
(Also wearing my lava-coloured “Support Our Magma” ribbon while disagreeing in principle with fundamentalist tectonic theory).
Jerry
March 9, 2005 at 3:18 pm
37PC Pete is right. We ought to bomb Australia for Proximity-to-the-Tsunami. But of course, with John Howard (or “Mini-Me”, as Bush calls him affectionately) in charge there, and trying to restore the nostalgia of Abo hunts (Bush still dreams of shooting a few redskins, himself!), that will never happen. Even though the G’day Nation still refuses to piss billions of dollars away into a mutual missle-defense system with us freedom loving Real People (Americans)and shipped Paul Hogan over here (probably in an uninspected cargo container)!
ellen
March 9, 2005 at 4:29 pm
38Umm.
We have a Tsunami warning system here in the US. It’s all set up for us here on the west coast of Washington state.
So, I understood that the Indian ocean countries could not afford a warning system. These are third world countries. They barely have clean running water much less complicated public health plans. I hear our system involves a lot of electronically monitored buoys.
So, if we’re in any way responsible, its that we have a lot of life saving programs and technology that poor countries can’t afford. Could we have prevented deaths? Maybe. But paying for them to have a system is way down there on our list of priorities.
Murray
March 9, 2005 at 6:18 pm
39I suppose that this administration could respond to a perceived future threat in Wyoming by also bombing some of those pesky liberal M states, Michigan, Massachusetts, or Maryland.
Bombing south central PA would not make much sense. This is an especially dense stronghold of Bush supporters. If they put that much effort into silencing me, I would feel flattered. Although I suppose that feeling wouldn’t last very long.
Jerry
March 9, 2005 at 9:06 pm
40“Flattered”,”flattened,” hell, Murray, it’s just that pesky spelling, grammar and syntax thing, and it’s never bothered the Yellow Rose. But I wasn’t thinking so much politically as the sound kind of logic that would simultaneously threaten us with and free us from the threat of the New Madrid thing. Ya know, like you suggested bombing California to deal with the Yellowstone bulge? 8^) Fair’s fair, eh?
PC Pete
March 10, 2005 at 4:11 pm
41Jerry, Paul Hogan (like Steve Irwin) and other G’day Nation (ha! I like that!) expatriates form part of our Tsunami Warning System : when they come drifting back, we know the rest of the world has come to its senses. I’ll see if I can find a deck of cards with our 50 “least wanted” on them. I know Little Johnny (as we affectionately style the obtuse son of a dingo who leads us) is No. 1 on that deck. (He’s also called “Bonsai”… because he’s a little Bush…
Jerry
March 10, 2005 at 4:48 pm
42PC Pete -
“Bonsai!!” I love it! Thanks! Perhaps you can clear up what the fuck this man is *saying* in this speech. Not holding you to this of course…I wouldn’t want to try to explain Bush’s blatherings!
And rather than just ding you all, thanks for Rolf Harris, or at least his music! I have the “Tie Me Kangaroo Down” single (with the original words!), and (but, well, of course) the flipside “Big Black Ball” around here somewhere.
hedera
March 10, 2005 at 11:37 pm
43I read the first two paragraphs, Jerry, and AFAIK the man isn’t SAYING anything at all… He must have amazing breath control, though. His sentences never stop.
Kelli
March 11, 2005 at 2:28 pm
44Jerry,
Is that who sings the “Kangaroo down” song? Every now and then I hear it on the radio, out of nowhere, and am confused for the rest of the day…
Maggie
March 13, 2005 at 5:09 pm
45The part that befuddles me is that they’re suing the ‘Pacific Tsunami Warning Center’ for not warning about a tsunami in the Indian Ocean…