From Manorama online: “Attacks Turn Iraq Election into Stealth Campaign”
Basra - As Iraq’s election campaign enters its final stages, most candidates are more worried about staying alive than canvassing for votes. Even the few like Shi’ite politician Mansour al-Tamimi who have openly joined the electoral race are avoiding debates and rallies at all cost.
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Hamid Kalzami, United Kurd Alliance: “If elected, I promise to do… things. For… people. The Iraqi people deserve… stuff. Do not seek to find me or my campaign headquarters again.”
Soodonym al Ias, Liberty of God Party: “A vote for me is a vote for a nondescript man with indistinct features. I intend to bring peace to Iraq using every inch of my 4 to 7 foot high frame and reddish blondish brownish hair. May god bless certain Iraqi people.”
Nassir al -Chalidrichi, Benign Sunni Union Party: “My friends, the time for change has come. For more specific information, take the Al Mawsil road out of Baghdad after affixing a plain green banner to the roof of your car. Upon hearing three gunshots, stop your vehicle, blindfold yourself, and walk towards the smell of lilacs. Turn right at the river and walk until you feel a tap on your shoulder. Await further instructions.”
Yusef al Mansour Shahristani, Patriotic Sunni Union: “Election? I’ve heard nothing about it. And of course I’m not running. I don’t know who told you that. You must have me confused with another Yusef al Mansour Shahristani.”





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January 25, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Deno the Untergeek
January 22, 2005 at 7:40 pm
1Yesiree Bob, we’s a-gonna have us heer a free e-lection.
It’s pathetic that the President (note: not MY President) continues to be so niave that there WILL BE free elections and that the people will experience FREEDOM for the first time. Of course, armed as he is with his Gentleman’s C, he might be using ‘free elections’ correctly. At least, in his mind. We can’t even have free elections here, let alone in the Green Zone! And the rest of Iraq you might as well fuhgitaboutit.
dee
January 22, 2005 at 8:16 pm
2“I’m Mustaf Al Zharkoum, and I approve this message. Unless I’m not and I don’t.”
david
January 22, 2005 at 8:31 pm
3I think the first guy’s name is actually Ahmid Kalamiti.
Leslie
January 22, 2005 at 9:40 pm
4Hey, we had free elections here. You got to vote, didn’t you? Just because your vote may or may not have gotten counted doesn’t mean it wasn’t a free election. You were perfectly FREE to come and go as you pleased. You’ve just got to know what words MEAN, Deno.
Oh, David! Ahmid Kalamiti! That’s really good!
Leslie
tim
January 22, 2005 at 9:54 pm
5“This message paid for by the Car Bomb Drivers For Truth”
Deno the Untergeek
January 22, 2005 at 11:04 pm
6Leslie, good point. Yes, I did have the opportunity to vote and yes, I did use it. What I’m referencing is the oft-quoted (but not enough in my opinion) voting irregularities. Perhaps I haven’t thought this through as far as I need to, but to me, keeping people in line for hours due to lack of machines or whatever excuse the powers-that-be have is a similar problem to scaring persons off from voting. The problem is not so nearly severe here as in Iraq, but if people want to invoke their right to vote (as we keep telling the world everyone has that inaliable right) and can’t, for whatever reason, the phrase, “free election” suddenly is not so free. Now, the degree of this problem is so much higher in Iraq than here; perhaps I shouldn’t have used that as my example.
Still, what good is your voting do if no one counts it? Democracy is the power of the people, which, presumably, everyone is a member of. If you don’t choose to vote, that’s different. But if you do vote, and it’s not counted (or better yet, your grandparents vote but they’ve been dead for the past decade), that’s a crime. Someone’s been cheated, either you or the memory of your dearly departed family.
Again, I might sound more caustic than I mean to be. Chalk that up to stupidity of youth and the fact that emoting online is a skill I haven’t quite mastered.
tess
January 22, 2005 at 11:22 pm
7To paraphrase Rumseld, just because a 30% of the country is not secure enough to vote doesn’t mean we can’t have a free election! It’d be just like the south! And look, things turned out okay there until that certain segment of the population got angry and started marching under orders from the peacenik hippy, MLK. Now, lemme ask you, how can you have a real democracy when a certain segment of the population demands equal representation as the rest of us?
*brains blow up*
David
January 23, 2005 at 12:09 am
8Deno,
Leslie’s tongue was firmly locked in her cheek.
If you live in Ohio, you should be pissed. I live in Florida. You be black, you a student, you even smell like a Democrat….
We here in the South, like our soulmate the secretary of state of Ohio, understand who should and should not be enabled. Voters might, as Cheney reminded us, elect the wrong candidate.
Of course, how in the hell would you know in Iraq?
This message courtesy of the Voting Machine Gamers for God
Deno the Untergeek
January 23, 2005 at 12:26 am
9Ah, so it was. Indeed, David, indeed. Poor, poor Dems…Ah well.
Apologies to Leslie et al.
This message brought to you by the underfunded Democratic Student for Me…oh, and Democracy in Iraq.
yeah, I got nothin’
David
January 23, 2005 at 1:24 am
10Deno,
On democracy, a quote from Rachel’s, an environmental newsletter (rachel.org and click on rachel’s). Don’t search rachel’s - you’ll get the “gentlemen’s restaurants. It’s in the current issue, #805. “How can we claim to have a democracy when 1% of the people own 40% of everything? Does money not translate into political power? Who are we kidding?
Love your political movement.
I understand there is a nascent Baghdad Body Parts Party.
Rummy says not to worry - 70% of Iraqis are still intact.
Mary Kay
January 23, 2005 at 9:03 am
11David: thank you so much for letting me know about Rachel’s. This article was phenomenal. Here’s a link if anyone’s interested.
Rusty
January 23, 2005 at 11:55 am
12“In truth, some of my environmentalist friends don’t like to acknowledge it, but even solar energy requires us to rip up the earth and build more platforms and towers and cables and substations to capture and transform energy and transmit it to where it’s wanted.” -Rachel’s News #805
How true. The amount of energy from the sun impinging upon the earth is a constant. The totality of all life dances around this zero-sum gain in a balancing act. Each time we increase the size of our footprint with roads, homes, shops, wind turbines, solar energy farms, etc., something has to die. It has to. Paving over paradise does not merely push nature aside. When photosynthetic capacity is reduced, creatures must die as a result.
Wow. That’s sufficiently shifted away from the thrust of this blog entry’s topic! We now return to our regularly scheduled blog.
David
January 23, 2005 at 1:26 pm
13“The totality of all life dances around this zero-sum game in a balancing act.” A painfully simple truth. Only thing I might add is “delicate balancing act.” You’ve expressed a sensibility desperately needed in our foreign policy, not the least in Iraq.
Deno the Untergeek
January 23, 2005 at 1:56 pm
14This just in from CNN: The ‘Future Iraqi Assembly’ is paying for ads promoting such things as a united Iraq, peace for all, and general goodwill. Life is good, ja?
Well…actually, no one really knows who the hell these yahoos are. There’s no mention on their website (aside from a general, we are made of good, honest people disclaimer) if this is a group of expats, nationals or foreign businesspersons.
Although I believe that such ads are a very good thing, I’m leery of trusting ‘anonymous.’ Maybe I’m just too cynical.
Here’s the article:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/22/
iraq.vote.ads/index.html
Real cloak-and-dagger stuff.
Murray
January 23, 2005 at 9:21 pm
15Let’s see, I’d like to have political power, and I’d like to be alive, hmmm…. which do I want more? hmmm….I’ll have to get back to you.
(Crook to Jack Benny), “Your money or your life!” Jack, … “‘m thinking!”
Rusty.
It’s a mistake to think that solar energy depends on large facilities to procure power. Almost every one has a roof. Almost every roof receives a great deal of solar heat. Utilizing this power directly is cost effective and reduces a great deal of transmission inefficiencies.
I have two houses and one bike shop. All three use solar heat as their primary heating source. Two of the three use solar heat as their primary means for the hot water. (My cabin in PA doesn’t have running water). All three are using the solar energy that lands on the windows and roof, and I am experiencing no transmission loses.
My house in MD, which I bought in 85 and paid $11,000 to retrofit with solar, has saved me about $1,700 each year since. My bike shop in PA costs me around $150 a year to heat both the building and hot water. (I got to design and build the building myself).
Solar heating is cost efficient,,, very efficient, and with no detriment to the environment.
No increase in global warming, no increase in foreign deficits, and no pollution. There is no downside!
It’s just up to you, not the government.
Deno the Untergeek
January 23, 2005 at 9:57 pm
16Murray,
It’s not the size of the facility that matters. And it’s great that you have solar heating/power. Props to you.
However, Rusty’s point, as I read it, wasn’t the size of the facility, it’s the fact that the panels have to be made. It’s a verson of entropy- you can’t get more energy out of a system than initally exists. As you probably know, solar panels take an enormous amount of energy and raw material to produced. Of course, once they’re there, they continue to produce power for a very very long time, given proper matainence. But in order to process the raw material into the shiny black rectangles that run your electronics, a lot of energy is expended. That energy comes from burning coal or gas, or heating water to hundreds of degrees by way of radioactivity, any of which causes harm to the environment. That’s Rusty’s point. Not only that, but after the solar panels have degraded enough (as they will), you have to dispose of them somehow. Luckily, they’re fairly pure silicon, so it’s not a terrible terrible pollutionary problem. However, it’s the indirect pollution caused by making them, shipping them and installing them that makes it a hassel.
Deno the Untergeek
January 23, 2005 at 10:01 pm
17Oh, and by the way, solar heating rocks. It’s great-unless you live farther north than, say, the US-Canadian border (yes, I could sit down and figure it out, but I have a few exams to study for). Then the energy flux of the Sun is too low for too many months to be viable. Which is really just too cool for my tastes.
Rusty
January 23, 2005 at 11:56 pm
18Aw Deno, ya messed me up. I go offline to write a reply and you’ve already moved the argument along…. Well, that’s what I get for being a slow typer.
Here’s my post, anyway.
Hey Murray,
You’re right that solar heating would not increase the footprint of constructs that we require, anyway. I’d do it if housing ordinances here allowed it. However, heating is only a small part of the nation’s energy budget (though it doesn’t feel like it today!). I was thinking more in terms of solar energy for electrical generation which has a much lower conversion efficiency than straight heating. We have the technology to satisfy all our energy needs now via solar if we wanted to dedicate surface area to it.
Let’s see. The Dept. of Energy reports that the total 2002 US energy budget was 70.946 Quadrillion Btu. That’s equal to 20.780 billion kilowatt hours. At the Earth’s surface, the radiative flux is about 600 watt/m^2 and since we only get about 8 hours a day of good light, we could collect 8 hr * 600 watt/m^2 or 4.200 kilowatt hr/m^2. Soooo….. assuming there was 100% efficiency in electrical conversion in a solar cell and realizing that there are 4045 m^2 per acre…. I get 1,223,144 acres though I’m being liberal with my significant figures. HA! Liberal! That’s funny.
Anyway, taking into account that solar cells are about 30% efficient and the power grid is about 60% efficient, the required acreage jumps to around 7 million. That’s about a third of Tennessee. Are we really ready as a nation to sacrifice Jack Daniels for sound environmental policy?
So, the Rachel paper is right. You’d have to dig up and refine a hell of a lot of ore for the metals to create the solar panels. Most of those metals would come from Africa which is war-torn, in part, by our desire for tiny electronic devices (google “Coltan”). You’d have to build a massive support system to handle the weight and movement of the panels. Who the heck would clean them? Lastly, solar heating is little more than copper tubing, black paint, and a pump. Electrical solar panels, in contrast, are not cheap.
Our footprint is going to grow. That I don’t doubt. Oil and gas are going to be a thing of the past. People might as well get over that now. We will have to come up with some other arrangement for energy production if we wish to remain a modern society. I’m just pointing out how our footprint affects the earth as a whole.
If you want to do an interesting calculation, figure out how much energy you (i.e., your body) consume annually just to exist, and then figure out how much land that HAS TO BE set aside solely for you. Actually, for each and every one of us. If that space weren’t available or the conditions that year weren’t amenable for arability, well, you’d die.
Rusty
January 24, 2005 at 12:06 am
19Dang, Deno! I’m impressed. Actually, I am concerned with both the footprint issue and the production issue. I wasn’t going to delve into the current versus future environmental impact stuff. You’ve done your homework.
You’re in college now, right? Mind if I ask where? I had to sit through an undergrad seminar last year where this guy was going on and on about the hydrogen economy and how great everything would be. Happy happy! Joy joy!
And how are we going to produce all this hydrogen?
Why! We’ll just make hydrogen from water via electrolysis!
And how will you make the electricity?
Oh! From solar energy!…..
A song kept running through my head. “There’s a hole in my bucket, dear Lisa, dear Lisa.”
I don’t think he was happy with the grade I gave him.
David
January 24, 2005 at 12:20 am
20Deno,
Took a couple of tries (I’m only partly in the game), but I did get to read the article. Couldn’t seem to find any discussion of how the campaigning is going in, or how many polling stations are in the works for, Fallujah (and now representing the 8 people still sentient and huddled together in the one semi-habitable house in Fallujah, Councilperson Webin Dizpozesd).
Was there a parable about Blessed are the bombed out?
Jerry
January 24, 2005 at 2:57 am
21“Even the few like Shi’ite politician Mansour al-Tamimi who have openly joined the electoral race are avoiding debates and rallies at all cost.”
This doesn’t neccesarily mean that they fear insurgents. It seems more likely to me that they simply are emulating the Yellow Rose’s successful campaign strategy..
Deno the Untergeek
January 24, 2005 at 10:55 am
22Ok, I’m a freshman (but with sophomore standing) at University of Colorado at Boulder. I’ve heard the arguement for switching over to purely solar power both in my home town and (usually more intellegently disscused) elsewhere in sci-fi collections.
The happy happy joy joy hyrdogen-based energy economy that is thrown around is science fiction, at least for the moment. The magical energy source for the massive electrolysis that would be going on: Fusion. Which, although there have been tremendous strides made in the last 5 years, is still 20 years out from being a viable energy source. But, once we get there, the sheer amount of energy will make almost every other source obsolete/useful only as a backup. Even with fusion (which, of all energy sources, is the least destructive), there’s still damage being done by way of power lines, transfer stations, sub-stations, etc.
Sorry that this is so far off the blogging subject, but this stuff is in my field and I like to talk about it. We now return to the regularly scheduled blog (with apologies to whomever typed that first).
Deno the Untergeek
January 24, 2005 at 11:01 am
23Haha…blessed indeed are the Bombed out. I like that, David. It’s something akin to the meek shall inherit the earth. Only, of course, when the non-meek have blown themselves out of existance…but at this rate, it’ll be sooner rather than later.
Thompson
January 24, 2005 at 11:12 am
24No apologies needed, Deno. Least, not for me. Adam, maybe. He may visit your house some dark night with whips and chains and unpleasant metal implements that poke in terrible ways for committing the heinous crime of Going Off Topic. But that’s his right as owner/moderator of FA. And after the first twenty minutes, it’s actually kinda fun. Er, or so I’m told.
But so far as I can tell, it’s one of those subjects that we’re all interested in to one degree or another (alternate energy, not adam in black leather). And it grew out of an earlier comment. So your whipping should be fairly minimal.
But will be available on the internet for a nominal fee.
Mary
January 24, 2005 at 11:16 am
25Deno-
When you consider that many of the Iraqi candidates are running on a “return to energy availability for all” platform, you haven’t been very far off topic.
norbizness
January 24, 2005 at 1:14 pm
26Don’t blame me, I voted for Mahmoud al-Kodos
Deno the Untergeek
January 24, 2005 at 1:24 pm
27I am amused. “…consider that many of the Iraqi candidates are running on a “return to energy availability for all” platform…” Indeed. Is there really anything else that they could possibly comment on without someone strapped with explosives coming up to them for a good-luck hug? What fool would say, “Down with your fascist energy!”? You tend not to get many followers with slogans like that. And if they try to say something meaty, something negative about the occupying force (eg, America), what’s to stop the US from branding them as a terrorist? A rock and a hard place. Or, in Iraq, a pile of jagged rubble and spent bullet casings.
People always like getting money, especially from the government. In Iraq, the profits of the oil trade would go first to the government, and then filter to the people. It’s a government giveaway, from oil with love. Of course, the oil isn’t flowing yet…but hey, that’s just a small detail.
Look at the ‘tax break’ here. My parents own five businesses between the two of them. It’s hard to think of anyone who works harder, yet I don’t think we recieved anything from Dubya’s tax cuts. And look at who was sworn in as the Cross Your Heart executive. People, especially in large groups, are stupid. Even more so when money is thrown at them.
It’s a smart, safe thing for politicians to say in a country where even going for groceries can cost you your life.
Maybe I’m not so amused.
Murray
January 24, 2005 at 6:14 pm
28OK
I read Rachel’s article, As best I can tell she is saying that growth cannot go on for ever. And that even very benign forms of energy will eventually cause pollution and waste. I think that she is advocating a system were growth is controled and one were the rich help the poor.
Good luck Rachel.
I agree, I have felt for years that any growth, no matter how little cannot be sustained into the future. What will we have left after 100 years, 1000 years, 100,000 years? The sooner we slack off from our exponential growth the better the world will be. It is a mathematical certainty that it cannot go on forever.
There are several small scale examples of what happens when human’s resources run out. Easter Island is one. A rich society which could spend its time building large statues, eventually cut all of the trees, no longer had fuel, and the soil eroded. When resources become very scarce, people fight over them, and wars broke out. Eventually the society collapsed, leaving a barren island.
I think that this is a parable for all of us. My guess is that the Easter Islanders had people who could see that cutting the trees would end with no trees and that couldn’t be good. And I’m sure that some people benefited in the short term by cutting them. Guess who won?
But beyond saying we can’t grow forever what does Rachel want us to do?
Yes, I believe that our resources are finite. That is why I owned an alternative energy business back in the early ’80s. (Low oil and energy prices killed it)
You don’t need a foot print of any size for some energy savings.
Merely placing the majority of your windows on the south side of your house provides solar gain in the winter and prevents it in the summer. This is a no cost energy saver. Greater insulation requires less energy. I got to rebuild my house in MD 11 years ago and by upgrading the insulation, increasing the south facing glass, replacing the windows with low-e and argon, solar hot water heater and wood stove, I was able to reduce my energy consumption by between 90 and 95% compared to the previous owners. (Using their old energy bills for comparison). So for every house similar to my old one you could have 10-20 heated like the new one. This gives a lot breathing space until we run out of resources.
The only figures I can find by the US Dept of Energy say that residential energy use is 21% of the American total (34% industrial, 27% transportation, and commercial 18%). However for most people heating their house is by far the largest portion of their energy budget. Reducing that can be a big deal.
Deno the Untergeek
January 24, 2005 at 7:26 pm
29Murray,
Good points abound. The heating bit was quite interesting…how many cords of wood do you go through in a month with that lil stove of yours?
Here’s my point: TANSTAAFL. There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. You may have to pay less than the former inhabitants, due to better insulation, more efficient design of the space - but this stove of yours is interesting, to say the least. I’m a bit of a country bumkin, and I know that it takes a LOT of wood to keep a place warm (my family’s first house was wood-heated). Don’t get me wrong, energy efficiency is grand, and if you stay warm, so much the better. However, problems arise with things like high rises and skyscrapers. It’s not every goodish CEO who demands that he have a penthouse with the southern exposure so he can put up solar panels and ’save energy.’ No, he wants it for the view, damn the energy costs. I don’t imagine many would give up their views, either. There go the cities.
You’re right about the heating efficency - if everyone can afford the initial costs, it’s great. There goes the rural areas - minus Aspen, Vail, etc.
My dad’s convinced (maybe convinced is too strong a word…) that everyone should be living in an earthship - highly energy-efficient, but one size do not fit all. Some prefer their cabins, condos, whatever.
Anywhoo, good points, but the practicality is something to keep in mind too.
adam
January 24, 2005 at 9:39 pm
30Off topic! That’s great with me.
A couple of points about energy. It’s always useful to keep banging home the “you can’t get something for nothing” point, because people keep forgetting it. That’s what’s led to all this hydrogen overhype, as Deno pointed out.
But until reliable, cost-efficient fusion comes along, it’s important to keep in mind the primary advantage of solar power: Unlike petroleum, coal, and natural gas, we’re not taking it from the Earth. And we’re not “using up” the sun. We’re just harnessing an ever-arriving resource. So despite the currently daunting start-up costs, the Zero Sum Game rules don’t really apply.
Two things need to happen: More homes need to be retrofitted like Murray’s [we’ll call that the Murray Model]. I’d guess that stealing the money from all that “clean coal research” in the budget should help us get started. The second component is research. Personally, I’d be willing to sacrifice a third of the area of Tennessee to power the entire country. Just not in Tennessee. Never in Tennessee. God no. Not Kentucky or Scotland either. Or Ireland.
But there’s a lot of land out there, and a lot of it is desert. Why, I bet we could lease some of someone else’s desert if we needed to…
But we need to be able to collect, store, and transmit the energy more efficiently and cost effectively. Again - this is not the zero sum game here, just a design task. [The orbital solar collector ideas I’ve read about are fascinating too, but they sound about as far off as fusion.]
Anyway, I love this off-topic turn. Nobody needs to worry about a leather-clad me showing up at your door. Unless you ask nicely.
Murray
January 24, 2005 at 11:21 pm
31Deno,
For most people incorporating solar design and high efficiency insulation while building or remodeling IS cost efficient. If you have a 30 year mortgage (or even a 15) the extra amount that you pay monthly will be substantially less than the amount you save, at today’s energy costs.
I’m aware that many live in multi-family houses, but these are already much more energy efficient because of the greater volume to surface ratio. However many could use boiler upgrades, separate thermostats on each apt and better windows.
My cabin here in PA uses about 3 cords of wood a year, My house in MD uses about the same but does have gas heat and its three times as big.
Adam talks about using the desert, I’m talking about using roofs. Transmission losses are minimal.
Solar energy is confusing because there are several types and which type is often not stated. As in “Solar energy won’t be cost effective for at least another decade”
NO. Solar energy is very cost effective now.
Passive space heating, that is, south facing glass, good insulation and moderate storage, is exceptionally efficient.
Active space heating where you have panels, pumps or blowers to move the heat to a storage system then to heat the house is not at all cost effective and probably never will be.
Active domestic hot water systems have panels, pumps and a storage but is quite cost effective, because you can gain so much heat during the summer.
Solar pool heating, You already have the pumps, and storage, all you add are collectors and they don’t need glass or even need to be copper. We used neoprene. This is by far the most cost effective, often paying for itself before the end of its first season.
Photovoltaic cells. Sunlight strikes silicon wafers and is transferred into electricity. The cost has come down but it will never be cost effective until the government mandates PV cell on all of their buildings in order to make manufacturing on a large enough scale to bring the costs down.
Wind power (indirect solar). These are pretty efficient cost wise and they are being seen more and more. There are 6 on a mountain ridge in Somerset about 55 miles from here. There are concerns about bird kills but the new ones move quite slowly and are not nearly as big a problem. They work just fine in farmers fields.
Mike Z
January 25, 2005 at 12:50 am
32When I look out over the Phoenix metro area, I can’t help but wonder what would happen if all those roofs were made of photovoltaic cells.
I don’t know what the official size is now, but it must be at least 5000 sq miles of blazing hot desert that’s already around 90% covered. Murray: any notion of how much wattage that could produce?
Deno the Untergeek
January 25, 2005 at 12:59 am
33Ok, ok, I’ll concede. Passive solar heating wins…
Sounds like a great set-up you’ve got there, Murray. 3 cords isn’t all that much, especially for a whole YEAR…
Now the tricky part is convincing the power consortiums that they aren’t needed nor indeed wanted. An unpleasent task; they have lobbyists.
I like the desert idea.
Orbital solar stations - not yet. The sizes required of the OSS are so huge that they’d have to be space-built. Which, needless to say, is very much in the realm of science fiction (close to my heart), especially if shareholders want a profit before their great-grandchildren die…
Maybe if we covered the Moon in photovoltaic panels and then figured some really clever way to transfer the power it’d be practical. Von Neumann machines would be grand for that bit of engineering wizardry, speaking of technical marvals…Until then, we’re stuck with covering vast tracts of useless land that doesn’t include Kentuky, Ireland, Scotland or Tennessee. To that I respectfully add Greece and Germany.
Perhaps Nevada wouldn’t mind…or Montana, for that matter. Better yet, Utah! Imagine Utah producing something other than Mormans in large, commercially viable quantities!
Deno the Untergeek
January 25, 2005 at 1:33 am
34I’ve run the numbers twice (they may be off; given the powers of ten being thrown around, it’s understandable. Feel free to check), and I get about 10 billion kilowatt/hrs, making all the assumptions that Rusty made above, including the inefficiencies. Wow. Here’s what I did:
90% (actual coverage) x 5000mi^2 x 27878400ft^2/mi^2 x 0.095m^2/ft^2 x 0.6 kW/m^2 x 8 hrs x 30% (solar panel efficiency) x 60% (grid efficiency)
which give us 1.03 x 10^10 kW-hrs. Trust the math, my profs keep telling me. Half of the US power needs IN ONE DAY. Impressive? Hell yes.
Now it’s a simple matter of logistics. Someone else’s turn now.
tess
January 25, 2005 at 4:46 am
35Don’t look at me. I like the fuzzier moments of engineering. When I have to do the math my brains sorta go mushy.
Though I’ll add my minor bit to the discussion: You can use ordinary transistors (npn preferable) for low-cost solar panels. The silicon’s cheap, the dopants are readily available, and you still get ~5-10% efficiency if my memory serves me (which it usually doesn’t). A panel the size of a small house might just be enough, after a long, hot, day, to run a toaster.
Deno the Untergeek
January 25, 2005 at 5:22 pm
36Yes, we Americans are slobs. Whatever happened to treadmill-powered toasters?
“Hurry up kids, your father wants his toast dark, not ‘lightly-browned’ like yesterday.”
Murray
January 25, 2005 at 6:30 pm
37Here is something to chew on.
In complete contrast to Rachel, the Russian Astrophysicist Nikolai Kardashev back in the 60 classified planetary civilizations as
Type I
Able to exploit all of the energy falling on its planet from the sun. (10 to the 16th watts). This civilization could derive limitless hydrogen form the oceans, perhaps harness the power of volcanoes, and maybe even control the weather.
Type II
Able to control the energy output of the sun itself (10 to the 26 watts). Deriving energy from solar flares and antimatter. These folks would be immune to ice ages, meteors even supernovas.
Type III
Able to control and consume the output of an entire galaxy (10 to the 36 watts). They could be able to manipulate the Planck energy (10 to the 19 electron volts, which causes space-time to become foamy and unstable, resulting in worm holes and bubble sized universes.
By contrast we are a Type 0 Civilization. We derive our energy from burning dead plants. (Oil and coal).
He postulated that we could become type I with in a hundred years, a type II in a few thousand years and a type III in a few hundred thousand to a million years. Hey, we’ve made it two million years since Lucy.
Although until that time we need to keep from poisoning ourselves with our effluents, over heating our world with our gasses, blowing ourselves up, and destroying our ecosystem.
Deno the Untergeek
January 25, 2005 at 8:03 pm
38And that’s the sign of a civilized civililization. If we make it to Type I (and that is a huge if), we will have survived the poisoning of ourselves and (hopefully) be able to flock to wide-ranging parts of the galaxy.
I’m not sure about the whole supernova-surviving ability. Unless of course what is implied is the smarts to be far far away when it strikes.
Oh, there’s not a limitless amount of hydrogen (and thereby fuel for fusion) in the oceans. There’s roughly enough of the right isotopes (deuterium and tritium) for about 300 or so years of use. This is making a bunch of assumptions. TANSTAAFL.
Landis
January 25, 2005 at 8:33 pm
39So are you saying that hydrogen gets ‘used’? It’s merely an energy transport device. You use the fusion or solar power and split H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. After your hydrogen passes through your fuel cell powered vehicle (or whatever) you end up with the byproduct: water. Time to start over. It’s that original energy source that splits the hydrogen out of the water that’s the bitch.
Our free lunch in this case comes because we have energy constantly being put into our system from the sun. Of course, Sol is burning out, but I reckon it’s long enough lived to be considered a renewable resource.
Deno the Untergeek
January 25, 2005 at 10:05 pm
40I’m saying that yes, the hydrodgen (H for shorthand) gets used up. More specifically, I’m saying that fusion (whose by-products are helium, a neutrino and energy) takes 4 H and makes 1 helium, leaving 2 hydrogens to start over. Given the exponential growth of our energy consumption, the amount of the ‘right’ isotopes of H (deuterium and tritium - which aren’t that prevalent on Earth) and fusion (if we can get it down), then there’s about 300 years’ worth of H in the ocean. That’s using the easiest form of fusion. If we manage to get proton-proton fusion down, then, yes, there is for all intents and purposes an infinite amount of energy. But as of right now, we can only handle the deuterium-tritium branch. And that doesn’t give us back what we need to continue the reaction (ie, we get H back, which doesn’t have the right number of neutrons).
Hydrogen cells are a poor energy source. Compared to a klunkier internal combustion engine, hydrogen cells look like child’s play. At best, they’re an acceptable replacement for poisonous IC engines until we get fusion down to incredibly miniaturized forms. For example, an IC engine producing 65hp (not terribly much…) weighs in at about 110 lbs. For a hydrogen cell set-up to produce the same power, it’d have weigh well over 1 TON.
So, while they may be clean, they don’t have an incredible power-to-weight ratio.
Back to the fusion bit. Fusion kicks every other possible energy source’s ass. That’s the bottom line. While solar power (in heating especially) is a good thing, it pales in comparison to fusion. Hence my seeming obsession with it. Solar power does have one advantage over fusion - there’s so much power from the Sun than could be produced on Earth that we might as well build a Dyson Sphere…but when we need that much power, we’ll build the thing.
Deno the Untergeek
January 26, 2005 at 3:36 pm
42Err….wtf?
Murray
January 26, 2005 at 7:08 pm
43Deno
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Mike Z
January 26, 2005 at 7:30 pm
44A “second mortgage” blog? Sounds fascinating.
Angry Pat
January 26, 2005 at 7:52 pm
45I think this comic says it best.
David
January 27, 2005 at 12:43 am
46It was a cry for help from future generations traumatized by THE PRESIDENT WHO HEARS TO VOICE OF GOD, and sets fiscal policy like he really believes his naked ass is going to rise into the air on Rapture Day, set to coincide with Presidents Day in the fourth year of the second term of the reign of said Divine Right President, leaving his Ford F-150 Crawford fake reality ranch pick-up truck driverless.
PC Pete
February 5, 2005 at 5:28 pm
47I wonder what the mortgage on a dyson sphere would be like? “astronomical”
Dean, don’t forget the DS is just a way to limit entropy - TNSTAAFL!
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