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		<title>by: SeattleDan</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5891</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, that Krugman guy,always doom and gloom with him. Why cant he just shut up and love being an American?</description>
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		<title>by: tim</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5892</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clearly you and Krugman have forgotten the basis of all Bush economic planning, the "Post-Rapture, Who Really Gives A Shit At That Point Dividend".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly you and Krugman have forgotten the basis of all Bush economic planning, the &#8220;Post-Rapture, Who Really Gives A Shit At That Point Dividend&#8221;.
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		<title>by: Jack K.</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5893</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[stirring strains of "God Bless America"]
...the solution is simple for an ol' fashioned Texas ranch hand who has all that thinkin' time on his hand because there aren't any of those pesky ol' cows to get in the way:

1.  Institute a compulsory draft with a guaranteed call-up age spanning from 15 to 50 with no deferrments.  We round up Iraqis that young and have National Guard troops that old (and older) serving in combat, so this age span shouldn't be a problem.  This addresses so many issues: A) we would then have a huge robust Military that could invade every nation in the Middle East simultaneously without all this fretting about force numbers. B) By reducing the number of school-aged children in the upper grades (having virtually eliminated grades 9 - 12), we can realize tremendous budget cuts to the schools. C)  This will drive all those liberals over the border to Canada for sure, and they're the only ones whining about all those spendy federal social programs anyway.

2.  Redefine "senior" as age 80 and over, with everybody else working for the defense industry making all the goods our newly expanded military needs.  This will not only take many people off the SS rolls by turning them into productive salary-earners, but also most of these major players in the miltary industrial complex have superb health care plans (say goodbye to Medicare) and retirement plans (even further reducing the SS burden....

...solutions are out there, and robustly righteous, God-fearing men like Gee Dub, with ample prayer and reflection and diversion of the press's attention to another Scott and Lacey-type trial, will find them...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[stirring strains of &#8220;God Bless America&#8221;]<br />
&#8230;the solution is simple for an ol&#8217; fashioned Texas ranch hand who has all that thinkin&#8217; time on his hand because there aren&#8217;t any of those pesky ol&#8217; cows to get in the way:</p>
<p>1.  Institute a compulsory draft with a guaranteed call-up age spanning from 15 to 50 with no deferrments.  We round up Iraqis that young and have National Guard troops that old (and older) serving in combat, so this age span shouldn&#8217;t be a problem.  This addresses so many issues: A) we would then have a huge robust Military that could invade every nation in the Middle East simultaneously without all this fretting about force numbers. B) By reducing the number of school-aged children in the upper grades (having virtually eliminated grades 9 - 12), we can realize tremendous budget cuts to the schools. C)  This will drive all those liberals over the border to Canada for sure, and they&#8217;re the only ones whining about all those spendy federal social programs anyway.</p>
<p>2.  Redefine &#8220;senior&#8221; as age 80 and over, with everybody else working for the defense industry making all the goods our newly expanded military needs.  This will not only take many people off the SS rolls by turning them into productive salary-earners, but also most of these major players in the miltary industrial complex have superb health care plans (say goodbye to Medicare) and retirement plans (even further reducing the SS burden&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;solutions are out there, and robustly righteous, God-fearing men like Gee Dub, with ample prayer and reflection and diversion of the press&#8217;s attention to another Scott and Lacey-type trial, will find them&#8230;<br />
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		<title>by: Murray</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5894</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It sure is handy to have a faith based reality, no pesky facts to get in the way. Just like Reagan who cut taxes, raised spending and assumed that the deficit would magically go down, W is a true believer. (Although Reagan was demented, - hmm.. come to think of it, they have that in common too).

The only down side is that eventually the Chinese and other foreign investors who keep our economy propped up will acknowledge we are dead beats and pull the plug, sending us into an Argentina like crash. When gasoline cost $5 a gallon and a new digital camera goes for $3000 it will probably get the public's attention.

Sorry, I've been reading Krugman too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure is handy to have a faith based reality, no pesky facts to get in the way. Just like Reagan who cut taxes, raised spending and assumed that the deficit would magically go down, W is a true believer. (Although Reagan was demented, - hmm.. come to think of it, they have that in common too).</p>
<p>The only down side is that eventually the Chinese and other foreign investors who keep our economy propped up will acknowledge we are dead beats and pull the plug, sending us into an Argentina like crash. When gasoline cost $5 a gallon and a new digital camera goes for $3000 it will probably get the public&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;ve been reading Krugman too much.
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		<title>by: Chris</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5895</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree, Murray. Or, I would like too. 

Unfortunately, the "just wait and eventually they'll run themselves into the ground/the movement will implode/the people will catch on" strategy won't work in this case. I keep imagining it will, but that 9/11 glow that sustained the neocons for so long still has enough energy to keep weak Democratic candidates out of office.

I'm pretty sure that, left to their own devices, they would eventually run themselves into the ground, but in the meantime they're taking us down with them! Dammit, we need action, we need intelligent, GOOD people running things. We need new ideas! We can't afford to wait.

Whew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Murray. Or, I would like too. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the &#8220;just wait and eventually they&#8217;ll run themselves into the ground/the movement will implode/the people will catch on&#8221; strategy won&#8217;t work in this case. I keep imagining it will, but that 9/11 glow that sustained the neocons for so long still has enough energy to keep weak Democratic candidates out of office.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that, left to their own devices, they would eventually run themselves into the ground, but in the meantime they&#8217;re taking us down with them! Dammit, we need action, we need intelligent, GOOD people running things. We need new ideas! We can&#8217;t afford to wait.</p>
<p>Whew.
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		<title>by: Ken, Just Ken</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5896</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the "plan" also includes having the Republicans lose the next presidential election so that a Democrat can come in (a la Clinton) and do all sorts of tax raising and spending cuts for 4 to 8 years and have the Dems look like the bad guy.

I really thought Bush had made things bad enough in his first term to cause this, but apparently we're gonna have more of a pendulum upswing to the right the Dems are going to have to come in and fix things again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;plan&#8221; also includes having the Republicans lose the next presidential election so that a Democrat can come in (a la Clinton) and do all sorts of tax raising and spending cuts for 4 to 8 years and have the Dems look like the bad guy.</p>
<p>I really thought Bush had made things bad enough in his first term to cause this, but apparently we&#8217;re gonna have more of a pendulum upswing to the right the Dems are going to have to come in and fix things again.
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		<title>by: Bob</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5897</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>And if by some miracle a Democrat does win the White House in 2008, watch out for 2011.  That's when the  "death tax" rollback expires.  By Republican accounts, failure to renew a tax cut is tantamount to passing a tax increase.  Nice little landmine for the lucky winner.

By the way, if it's really a death tax, what happens if I refuse to pay it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if by some miracle a Democrat does win the White House in 2008, watch out for 2011.  That&#8217;s when the  &#8220;death tax&#8221; rollback expires.  By Republican accounts, failure to renew a tax cut is tantamount to passing a tax increase.  Nice little landmine for the lucky winner.</p>
<p>By the way, if it&#8217;s really a death tax, what happens if I refuse to pay it?
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		<title>by: G Money</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5898</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Damn it.  They totally got us this time, guys.  Got to hand it to them - they got their stuff together.

Well, there's really only one question we can ask ourselves at this point - what would George Lackoof do?  He'd tell us to know our values and frame the debate:  we know that when we next get into office we'll have to raise taxes, because the Republicans won't.  Like you guys said, they want social security, welfare, public schools, libraries, etc to die. (Well, at least the ones at the top of their economic and political food chain do).  With that in mind, let's start preparing.  We have to get it in the heads of the american people that paying taxes is a good thing - an adult responsibility that allows us to be the great nation that we are today.  Commercials showing roads with potholes being fixed, kids being able to go to libraries, etc. can all ingrane a sense into the american public that paying taxes is responsible, and lowering them is reckless and immature - not characteristics of a good politician.  If we prepare now, less americans will mind when we have to raise taxes in the future.  If we don't, we lose again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn it.  They totally got us this time, guys.  Got to hand it to them - they got their stuff together.</p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s really only one question we can ask ourselves at this point - what would George Lackoof do?  He&#8217;d tell us to know our values and frame the debate:  we know that when we next get into office we&#8217;ll have to raise taxes, because the Republicans won&#8217;t.  Like you guys said, they want social security, welfare, public schools, libraries, etc to die. (Well, at least the ones at the top of their economic and political food chain do).  With that in mind, let&#8217;s start preparing.  We have to get it in the heads of the american people that paying taxes is a good thing - an adult responsibility that allows us to be the great nation that we are today.  Commercials showing roads with potholes being fixed, kids being able to go to libraries, etc. can all ingrane a sense into the american public that paying taxes is responsible, and lowering them is reckless and immature - not characteristics of a good politician.  If we prepare now, less americans will mind when we have to raise taxes in the future.  If we don&#8217;t, we lose again.
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		<title>by: Tom</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5899</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh Adam, I love how you're so subtle.

As for informing the public about the good of taxes, I'm going to head over to the cynic's corner and have a cry. People are generally not very bright, and probably won't understand these kinds of things for a good many years later. By that time, who knows how screwed up our nation will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Adam, I love how you&#8217;re so subtle.</p>
<p>As for informing the public about the good of taxes, I&#8217;m going to head over to the cynic&#8217;s corner and have a cry. People are generally not very bright, and probably won&#8217;t understand these kinds of things for a good many years later. By that time, who knows how screwed up our nation will be.
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		<title>by: hedera</title>
		<link>http://fanaticalapathy.com/2004/12/16/adding-with-add/#comment-5900</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The trouble is, maybe Americans now DON'T want to pay taxes for services, or have you not read about Salinas, CA, the former home of John Steinbeck?  The city library is closing in the next couple of months.  Boarding up the buildings.  The city is in debt; the citizenry failed to pass the tax measure needed to keep it open; bye bye, library.  As the holder of a not very recent M.L.S. (and I got out because librarians are the least paid and the first fired), I find this depressing.  And it isn't just the library in Salinas; in the last couple of years (quoting KQED's California Report this AM), the citizens of Salinas have turned down tax measures to (a) keep the ER open in the local hospital, and (b) keep paramedics on the fire trucks.  If they won't pay for health care and emergency services, you can see where mere literacy wouldn't have a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble is, maybe Americans now DON&#8217;T want to pay taxes for services, or have you not read about Salinas, CA, the former home of John Steinbeck?  The city library is closing in the next couple of months.  Boarding up the buildings.  The city is in debt; the citizenry failed to pass the tax measure needed to keep it open; bye bye, library.  As the holder of a not very recent M.L.S. (and I got out because librarians are the least paid and the first fired), I find this depressing.  And it isn&#8217;t just the library in Salinas; in the last couple of years (quoting KQED&#8217;s California Report this AM), the citizens of Salinas have turned down tax measures to (a) keep the ER open in the local hospital, and (b) keep paramedics on the fire trucks.  If they won&#8217;t pay for health care and emergency services, you can see where mere literacy wouldn&#8217;t have a chance.
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