Comments on: Eyes on the Prize http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/ America's favorite blog Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:09:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: craig http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-552 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-552 I know its petty to quibble - there's a war going on, we've got to stand by the party line and all - but the franc is the currency of Switzerland. France uses the Euro. I know its petty to quibble - there’s a war going on, we’ve got to stand by the party line and all - but the franc is the currency of Switzerland. France uses the Euro.

]]> by: The first http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-553 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-553 Ha! First. What a travesty. What if Clinton or Gore had done this? My god, you wouldn't be able to get within 30 feet of an AM Radio for all the raucus bitching from the conversatives. But when THEY do it.... well, like Adam says, that's war. Ha!

First.

What a travesty.

What if Clinton or Gore had done this? My god, you wouldn’t be able to get within 30 feet of an AM Radio for all the raucus bitching from the conversatives.

But when THEY do it…. well, like Adam says, that’s war.

]]> by: ghani http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-554 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-554 I was wondering ... didn't Rumsfeld say it's against the Geneva Convention to show pictures of prisoners of war to the public? Of course the embedded media is n't showing the American prisoners of war (held by Iraq. It's truly disturbing, they looked absolutely horrified, weren't receiving any or very little medical care and seemed to be in shock) but they don't seem to have a problem showing pictures of the Iraqi soldiers that were caught by the allies. I was wondering … didn’t Rumsfeld say it’s against the Geneva Convention to show pictures of prisoners of war to the public? Of course the embedded media is n’t showing the American prisoners of war (held by Iraq. It’s truly disturbing, they looked absolutely horrified, weren’t receiving any or very little medical care and seemed to be in shock) but they don’t seem to have a problem showing pictures of the Iraqi soldiers that were caught by the allies.

]]> by: kidkostar http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-555 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-555 I heard Ken Lay was going to be installed as the American Vicelord of IraqCo. because of his vast experience running energy companies and since he just needs a job. With Lay's expertise Bush administration officials are already projecting turning a very respectable profit on Iraq in no more than six months. I heard Ken Lay was going to be installed as the American Vicelord of IraqCo. because of his vast experience running energy companies and since he just needs a job. With Lay’s expertise Bush administration officials are already projecting turning a very respectable profit on Iraq in no more than six months.

]]> by: adam http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-556 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-556 Ghani - the Iraqis have been complaining about precisely that point. Me, I don't think it violates the Geneva Convention to show prisoners from either side. I interpret the disputed clause to cover things like putting pisoners on display in the town square. Craig - You're right, 'course. But "franc" seemed like a more evocative currency in this case. [Durn those Swiss too, by the way...] Ghani - the Iraqis have been complaining about precisely that point. Me, I don’t think it violates the Geneva Convention to show prisoners from either side. I interpret the disputed clause to cover things like putting pisoners on display in the town square.

Craig - You’re right, ‘course. But “franc” seemed like a more evocative currency in this case. [Durn those Swiss too, by the way…]

]]> by: Kelly http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-557 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-557 Classic. There's nothing like someone who can tell it like it is and still make me laugh. ;) Classic. There’s nothing like someone who can tell it like it is and still make me laugh. ;)

]]> by: Rana http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-558 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-558 On the showing of POWs -- I _think_ the perceived difference is that the American POWs were named and asked questions on film, while the Iraqi POWs have been largely nameless (though I haven't been watching news on tv, so I could be wrong). If one interprets the Geneva Convention a certain way, it's not necessarily that showing prisoners per se is wrong, but doing so in a way that humiliates them personally is. This said, I don't know if I agree with either side. It does seem cruel to expose shell-shocked prisoners to the eye of the world, but then the print media here has not been shy about showing Iraqi prisoners being strip-searched before surgey, albeit anonymously from the back, and I'm not sure that's all that much better. Of course, POWs are something that should be expected in war, and to cover up their existence also seems wrong. On the showing of POWs — I _think_ the perceived difference is that the American POWs were named and asked questions on film, while the Iraqi POWs have been largely nameless (though I haven’t been watching news on tv, so I could be wrong). If one interprets the Geneva Convention a certain way, it’s not necessarily that showing prisoners per se is wrong, but doing so in a way that humiliates them personally is.

This said, I don’t know if I agree with either side. It does seem cruel to expose shell-shocked prisoners to the eye of the world, but then the print media here has not been shy about showing Iraqi prisoners being strip-searched before surgey, albeit anonymously from the back, and I’m not sure that’s all that much better.

Of course, POWs are something that should be expected in war, and to cover up their existence also seems wrong.

]]> by: Washington Irving http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-559 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-559 Since we're talking about POWs and the Geneva Convention. My thoughts have been: I can understand if Mr Rumsfeld demands that the POWs be treated per the Geneva Convention. But I'm also wondering what about all those fellows we have imprisoned in Guantanamo? Iraq could claim just as well as we have that these US POWs are "unlawful combatants" if for no other reason than that this war is definitely against international law. Since we’re talking about POWs and the Geneva Convention. My thoughts have been: I can understand if Mr Rumsfeld demands that the POWs be treated per the Geneva Convention. But I’m also wondering what about all those fellows we have imprisoned in Guantanamo? Iraq could claim just as well as we have that these US POWs are “unlawful combatants” if for no other reason than that this war is definitely against international law.

]]> by: Alan M. http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-560 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-560 Did you notice, with that CNN article, the related story on the side, about NYC's comptroller filing for Halliburton to be investigated for possible ties to terrorist-friendly Iran? So we're taking steps to remove a potentially-connected-to-terrorist leadership so that we can go about installing a potentially-connected-to-terrorist corporation? Right... Did you notice, with that CNN article, the related story on the side, about NYC’s comptroller filing for Halliburton to be investigated for possible ties to terrorist-friendly Iran?

So we’re taking steps to remove a potentially-connected-to-terrorist leadership so that we can go about installing a potentially-connected-to-terrorist corporation? Right…

]]> by: prmantis http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-561 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/25/eyes-on-the-prize/#comment-561 here's the geneva convention as it applies to POW's http://193.194.138.190/html/menu3/b/91.htm This may be as close as it gets to any of this.... Prisoners of war are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honour. Women shall be treated with all the regard due to their sex and shall in all cases benefit by treatment as favourable as that granted to men. Prisoners of war shall retain the full civil capacity which they enjoyed at the time of their capture. The Detaining Power may not restrict the exercise, either within or without its own territory, of the rights such capacity confers except in so far as the captivity requires. -- splitting to avoid an overly long post! here’s the geneva convention as it applies to POW’s

http://193.194.138.190/html/menu3/b/91.htm

This may be as close as it gets to any of this….

Prisoners of war are entitled in all circumstances to respect for their persons and their honour. Women shall be treated with all the regard due to their sex and shall in all cases benefit by treatment as favourable as that granted to men. Prisoners of war shall retain the full civil capacity which they enjoyed at the time of their capture. The Detaining Power may not restrict the exercise, either within or without its own territory, of the rights such capacity confers except in so far as the captivity requires.

– splitting to avoid an overly long post!

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