Comments on: …But George is an Honorable Man… http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/ America's favorite blog Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:10:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: BJ http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-383 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-383 Well said, Adam. I particularly like your dismissal of "fisking," which is as spineless a form of punditry as I've come across recently (admittedly sometimes entertaining in the short term, but ultimately the Chinese food of commentary, unsatisfying and bad for your health). Well said, Adam. I particularly like your dismissal of “fisking,” which is as spineless a form of punditry as I’ve come across recently (admittedly sometimes entertaining in the short term, but ultimately the Chinese food of commentary, unsatisfying and bad for your health).

]]> by: John Isbell http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-384 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-384 Great last line. Great last line.

]]> by: Elayne Riggs http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-385 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-385 <i>The practice of "Fisking," wherein a web journalist dices up a columnist's arguments into semi-coherent nuggets in order to insert venal one-liners...</i> I can't thank you enough for defining this term for me, Adam. I've never come across another blogger who's explained it before, so I've been in the dark for months! The practice of “Fisking,” wherein a web journalist dices up a columnist’s arguments into semi-coherent nuggets in order to insert venal one-liners…

I can’t thank you enough for defining this term for me, Adam. I’ve never come across another blogger who’s explained it before, so I’ve been in the dark for months!

]]> by: Elliott http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-386 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-386 Another line from Julius Caesar might be more fitting,"Oh forgive me, you bleeding piece of earth, for cooperating with these butchers. You are the noblest man who ever lived in all of history. Over your wounds now I predict the future? And Caesar's ghost, roaming about in search of revenge, with hate at his side still hot from hell, will in these boundaries with a ruler's voice cry 'HAVOC' and let slip the dogs of war, so that this terrible action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses, begging to be buried." And this action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses. Presidents should have to read the Bard of Avon.... and Fanatical Apathy, of course. Another line from Julius Caesar might be more fitting,”Oh forgive me, you bleeding piece of earth, for cooperating with these butchers. You are the noblest man who ever lived in all of history. Over your wounds now I predict the future? And Caesar’s ghost, roaming about in search of revenge, with hate at his side still hot from hell, will in these boundaries with a ruler’s voice cry ‘HAVOC’ and let slip the dogs of war, so that this terrible action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses, begging to be buried.”
And this action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses. Presidents should have to read the Bard of Avon…. and Fanatical Apathy, of course.

]]> by: Rana http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-387 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-387 "It's a colander with a Tupperware lid" This has to be one of the better metaphors for the style of reasoning that seems to come out of the current administration with frustrating regularity. I don't know which is scarier -- the idea that they don't worry about the holes because _they_ can't see them, or because they don't care if _we_ see them. From all of us who keep running around yelling, "What about the holes?!" -- thanks for reassuring us that we're not imagining them! “It’s a colander with a Tupperware lid”

This has to be one of the better metaphors for the style of reasoning that seems to come out of the current administration with frustrating regularity. I don’t know which is scarier — the idea that they don’t worry about the holes because _they_ can’t see them, or because they don’t care if _we_ see them.

From all of us who keep running around yelling, “What about the holes?!” — thanks for reassuring us that we’re not imagining them!

]]> by: eyeh8shrub http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-388 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-388 The dogs of war don't negotiate The dogs of war won't capitulate, They will take and you will give, And you must die so that they may live One world, it's a battleground - pink floyd, <i>the dogs of war</i> The dogs of war don’t negotiate
The dogs of war won’t capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live

One world, it’s a battleground

- pink floyd, the dogs of war

]]> by: Raya http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-389 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-389 Adam, I must warn you away from ever reading William Safire. It's been scientifically proven to lower the IQ by up to 20%. And notwithstanding your charitable assertion to the contrary, he's a terrible writer. I never know which is more nauseating--his lack of style or his lack of substance--but either way it can't be good for the health. Adam, I must warn you away from ever reading William Safire. It’s been scientifically proven to lower the IQ by up to 20%. And notwithstanding your charitable assertion to the contrary, he’s a terrible writer. I never know which is more nauseating–his lack of style or his lack of substance–but either way it can’t be good for the health.

]]> by: Larry Wilmott http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-390 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-390 Safire's quote of Teddy Roosevelt: "those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat" reminded me of words written by someone else: "Without big risks, history never grants big successes. Our so-called intellectuals...can see the past, but not much of the present, and nothing at all of the future. ... To them difficulties are not there to be mastered, rather to be surrendered to. ... One cannot make history with such quivering people." That visionary was none other than Joseph Goebbels, in an address to the German people on December 31, 1938. I seem to recall that Goebbels and his boss made a lot of history in the years that followed. See the full text at http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb16.htm Safire’s quote of Teddy Roosevelt: “those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat” reminded me of words written by someone else:

“Without big risks, history never grants big successes.

Our so-called intellectuals…can see the past, but not much of the present, and nothing at all of the future. … To them difficulties are not there to be mastered, rather to be surrendered to. … One cannot make history with such quivering people.”

That visionary was none other than Joseph Goebbels, in an address to the German people on December 31, 1938. I seem to recall that Goebbels and his boss made a lot of history in the years that followed.

See the full text at http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb16.htm

]]> by: small child http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-391 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-391 Sorry about the non-relevance to today's "topic", but I didn't see anywhere else to put this. We talk about how the Security Council will "prove its revelvance" if it stops all debate and approves our resolution. I thought that the whole point of the United Nations was to allow for debates such as these, and to, I don't know, promote ideas from countries that will be for the betterment of the world. I mean, the name kind of implies that... But maybe I'm just dilusional. Maybe the point of the United Nations is so that we can have someone to blame when things don't go our way. It just seems to me that trying to force members of this establishment into doing what one country wants is what would really be proving it irrelevant. I don't have a good answer to all of the stuff we hear about Saddam being evil and people in the country waiting for us to take him out of power, but I can raise an issue with this phrasing of ours. And I will for as long as I stay "dilusional." Sorry about the non-relevance to today’s “topic”, but I didn’t see anywhere else to put this.

We talk about how the Security Council will “prove its revelvance” if it stops all debate and approves our resolution. I thought that the whole point of the United Nations was to allow for debates such as these, and to, I don’t know, promote ideas from countries that will be for the betterment of the world. I mean, the name kind of implies that…

But maybe I’m just dilusional. Maybe the point of the United Nations is so that we can have someone to blame when things don’t go our way. It just seems to me that trying to force members of this establishment into doing what one country wants is what would really be proving it irrelevant.

I don’t have a good answer to all of the stuff we hear about Saddam being evil and people in the country waiting for us to take him out of power, but I can raise an issue with this phrasing of ours. And I will for as long as I stay “dilusional.”

]]> by: Nick http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-392 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://fanaticalapathy.com/2003/03/07/but-george-is-an-honorable-man/#comment-392 And yet the beer swilling masses who are lined up for war... Will they have read their Shakespeare? And yet the beer swilling masses who are lined up for war… Will they have read their Shakespeare?

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